1.25 million buyout next year.
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Hudspeth signs extension through '19..
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This is lost on most faithful. I can count on one hand how many simply "good" coaches we've had. Our perception of what a really good coach is differs from anyone else in the SEC.
I like Dan. We'll see what he can do with a good coaching staff, all the responsibility of calling plays, and a full deck of cards. If he has us in contention for the division in October I'll deem him a very good coach.
That said, good for Hud. Blazing his own path. Good to see guys from Mississippi succeed and get recognition for their success.
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No it isn't
He is a few feet in the MSU game from going to a bowl every year he has been here. That is pretty damn good considering where we have been as a program
He is a few feet in the MSU game from going to a bowl every year he has been here. That is pretty damn good considering where we have been as a program
Yeah -- because a soon-to-be $100mil athletics dept is freaking out about a $1.5mil buyout...
Most of the folks that want Hudspeth over Mullen are in the same boat as the Raffo over Cohen crowd. They're just still a little butt hurt because their choice didn't get the job and the guy that did get the job is doing pretty good, much to their dismay.
No. Most of the Cohen haters are pissed because he is the ***** of just about every other decent SEC team. O'Sullivan, Maineri, Van Horn, Bianco, dude at Vandy, all own Cohen.
Congrats on him coaching in the CWS final. His team couldn't hit **** against UCLA and, by the looks of it, he hasn't learned his lesson. He is Croom-esque in his refusal to change his philosophy on coaching. Improving his SEC record and the addition of a strength program would shut us up.
Next year the balls will travel farther which means every team we play will be sending them out of the yard while ours barely roll to the warning track.
Congrats on him coaching in the CWS final. His team couldn't hit **** against UCLA and, by the looks of it, he hasn't learned his lesson. He is Croom-esque in his refusal to change his philosophy on coaching. Improving his SEC record and the addition of a strength program would shut us up.
Next year the balls will travel farther which means every team we play will be sending them out of the yard while ours barely roll to the warning track.
No, disagreeing with the fact that he's doing a "very good job" is quite a stretch.
I agree. The moment that I finally accepted that Croom couldn't coach for **** and would never change the west coast offense is after we got whipped in the national championship game. If a second place finish nationally doesn't convince you changes have to be made, I don't know what will.
No, people that want Hudspeth are disappointed in how Mullen adapted his offense to Tyler Russell, disappointed in his recruiting, disappointed in his stubborness on things like running Perk up the middle repeatedly while our bowling ball RB was on the bench, disappointed with special teams and/or are grass is always greener people.
Although Mullen has done a very good job, there have been legitimate shortcomings and I can understand people thinking Hudspeth would be better after the job Hudspeth has done at ULL (especially last season after MSU's games against Bowling Green and UK but before the egg bowl and liberty bowl). I think it still takes a little bit of grass is greener mentality to come to that conclusion, but I don't think it requires anybody to be butt hurt over Hudspeth not getting the job originally.
What you really have to ask yourself is Hud's 3 seasons of 9 wins each (in the sun belt) more impressive than Mullen with a 9 and 8 win season (in the SEC). Also, Mullen has 4 straight bowl games, which has never been done here. With that said, i do think Hud would do a good job here. If this season goes as well hope, someone might steal Mullen and then maybe we get to see Hud here.
Gene Chizik won the BCSNCG with a stellar athlete. Cohen got to the championship with stellar athletes. Auburn fired his *** one year later. The year after he was fired they played for it all again. I pulled the plug on Sherrill three years before everybody else figured out he wasn't working out either. I'm not a fan of mediocre results when we are paying Cohen handsomely to produce. It is widely accepted that Mississippi State, with its rich history of baseball and passionate fans, is one of the top 5 college baseball jobs in the nation. Such a shame so many of you are willing to accept defeats to Holy Cross, UCA, jaxnville State and OM. I hope you don't run your businesses the same way.
I would "respond" if one other person on the entire board felt the same.
They dont so I wont.
What Hud has done at ULL is impressive and I do think Hud would be a good coach for MSU also, but I'm a bird in the hand kind of guy usually and there have been plenty of coaches at small schools that couldn't translate that success at a higher level. Not that I think that would be the case with Hudspeth but you can't ignore the possibility. To me what makes Mullen a no brainer in a Hud v. Mullen hypothetical is that we know exactly what Mullen can do and of the three biggest gripes people seem to have with Mullen, he seems to be on a path to eliminate one of them (recruiting) and he seems to be making a second irrelevant (his inability to modify his system to fit a pocket passing qb). The only thing left is to pull a big upset against a top 15 team that stays in the top 15 at the end of the season (or whatever the current goal posts are). That could be eliminated this year, but even if it's not, upgrading the talent level on the team will eventually take care of that.
People need to also realize that this is not your parents MS State nor is the SEC. Gone are the days when we had no money. With the SECN deal and ESPN now we have money to burn. Fundraising is at an all time high. Mullen has got everything he has asked for. The expectations are increasing. We shouldn't be getting run out of the stadium in the 3rd and 4th quarter against LSU anymore. We should have just as tight a game as we had against them in Mullen's first year. We should be soundly defeating lesser teams. Mullen used to drive me crazy by leaving downs on the board at half-time when we had the ball. He couldn't get off the field fast enough. He fixed that last year. I'm not wanting to see Mullen gone but if he left tomorrow and Hudspeth took his place I wouldn't blink an eye. Damn sure would never have to worry about recruiting again. HUD knows every football coach in this state and who that coaches dad is. He would be dangerous at State.
If bad is winning the most conf games in 20 years and 1 win away from a SR on a down year, well....just damn
1. Bwahahahahaha
2. Chizik's stellar athlete revolutionized the QB position, won the heisman, was the first pick in NFL draft, and is widely regarded as the most productive QB in NCAAF history. And Chizik still won five games by 3 points or less. Renfroe and Frazier were excellent players, but to compare them to Cam Newton is ridiculous.
3. Cohen has not been elite, but better than mediocre. Nobody can objectively hold 2009 and 2010 against him. For all the good Polk did, the program was in shambles and everyone knows it. Judging him from 2011-2014, he has a SEC tourney, been to a regional every year, two supers, and national runner up. Maybe that's not elite, but to say it is mediocre costs you all of your credibility.
4. JX State (which I agree, we should have beaten) was a regional team and OM is in Omaha. Those were not terrible losses. Besides, pick any team in Omaha, look at their schedule, and you'll see 2-3 losses that, on paper, should not happen. Hell, JSU beat ULL.
5. Everyone agrees Cohen could do better. We all want more extra base hits, more power, and more SEC wins. LSU fans are griping the same way about Manieri. Be objective.
They were the worst football program in the country until he took over. Check out this bowl history:
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</tfoot>They were 168-256 all time before he got there. That's a historical winning percentage of 39.6%. Hud is 27-12, 69.2%.
| Season | Conference | Wins | Losses | Ties | Postseason Results | Notes |
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| University of Louisiana at Lafayette Ragin Cajuns | ||||||
| 2013 | Sun Belt | 9 | 4 | Won New Orleans Bowl 24-21 over Tulane | ||
| 2012 | Sun Belt | 9 | 4 | Won New Orleans Bowl 43-34 over East Carolina | ||
| 2011 | Sun Belt | 9 | 4 | Won New Orleans Bowl 32-30 over San Diego State | ||
| 2010 | Sun Belt | 3 | 9 | |||
| 2009 | Sun Belt | 6 | 6 | |||
| 2008 | Sun Belt | 6 | 6 | |||
| 2007 | Sun Belt | 3 | 9 | |||
| 2006 | Sun Belt | 6 | 6 | |||
| 2005 | Sun Belt | 6 | 5 | |||
| 2004 | Sun Belt | 4 | 7 | |||
| 2003 | Sun Belt | 4 | 8 | |||
| 2002 | Sun Belt | 3 | 9 | |||
| 2001 | Sun Belt | 3 | 8 | |||
| 2000 | Independent | 1 | 10 | |||
| 1999 | Independent | 2 | 9 | |||
| 1998 | Independent | 2 | 9 | |||
| 1997 | Independent | 1 | 10 | |||
| 1996 | Independent | 5 | 6 | |||
| 1995 | Big West | 6 | 5 | |||
| 1994 | Big West | 6 | 5 | |||
| 1993 | Big West | 8 | 3 | |||
| 1992 | Independent | 2 | 9 | |||
| 1991 | Independent | 2 | 8 | 1 | ||
| 1990 | Independent | 5 | 6 | |||
| 1989 | Independent | 7 | 4 | |||
| 1988 | Independent | 6 | 5 | |||
| 1987 | Independent | 6 | 5 | |||
| 1986 | Independent | 6 | 5 | |||
| 1985 | Independent | 4 | 7 | |||
| 1984 | Independent | 6 | 5 | |||
| 1983 | Independent | 4 | 6 | |||
| 1982 | Independent | 7 | 3 | 1 | ||
| 1981 | Southland | 1 | 9 | 1 | ||
| 1980 | Southland | 7 | 4 | |||
| 1979 | Southland | 4 | 7 | |||
| 1978 | Southland | 3 | 8 | |||
| 1977 | Southland | 6 | 4 | 2 | ||
| 1976 | Southland | 9 | 2 | |||
| 1975 | Southland | 6 | 5 | |||
| 1974 | Southland | 2 | 9 | |||
| 1973 | Southland | 0 | 10 | |||
| 1972 | Southland | 5 | 6 | |||
| 1971 | Southland | 5 | 4 | 1 | ||
| 1970 | Gulf States | 9 | 3 | Lost Grantland Rice Bowl 26-25 | ||
| Totals | 195 | 268 | 6 | (1970–2011, includes only regular season) |
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I didn't fire the first shot in this argument. Madman did. But to call the people that expect more out of our coaching staff than 98% of the rest of you is not being "butt hurt". I get into heated debates with my best friends over Cohen. I could give two ***** what you think.
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I will acknowledge that he has done a great job at ULL. But the program had a .500 season 4 of the 6 seasons before he came. It's not like he took over SMU after the death penalty. Also, dig into the schedules a little and point out a signature win that he has had? That seems to be everyone's problem with Mullen. He's even got some pretty bad losses, like South Alabama last year.
I like Hud a lot. If Mullen left, I'd be all for him coming here. I think he could take what Mullen has done and continue the success. I'm just not willing to say he's done a better job than Mullen. To me, reversing history trends and MSU in the SEC is harder than at ULL in the Sun Belt. But that is just my opinion.
I'm glad people like you expect more out of MSU. If not, the good ole boys would still have LT here, Croom and probably Polk or Raffo. I'm with you on not expecting the MSU of old. However, I just think you're off on Cohen. He took over a train wreck and in year 3 got us to a super and year 5 to the CWS finals. Also, we are now back to a post season lock and a top 25 mainstay, which were all things that were not certain under polk 2. Now had Cohen won 25 games this year and we fell apart I may be calling for his head too. But we were solid after a horrible start in Feb and March. What were we 3 games outside of 1st place in the SEC? When is the last time we've been that close? I'm not trying to change your mind, I just want to point out that things have indeed changed. The MSU administration and coaches don't accept the poor ole MSU mindset. With that said, I also realize that some people are never happy. Hell C34 and his followers wanted Stansbury gone as he was winning an SEC Title.
I did not fire a "shot" I made a simple observation. You took umbrage to my simple statement and fired a shot back. I do expect more out of our coaches and believe it or not I'm actually getting more. 4 consecutive bowl games - a feat never before accomplished in our long and storied history. A CWS championship game appearance, aGain a feat never before accomplished in our history. In light of these facts the argument that so and so could be doing better is ********. We ARE 17ing doing better than we ever 17ing have. Do I want more improvement? Yes, most definitely. And I'm perfectly content to give Mullen and Cohen some more time to do better. They do have faults and they do have things they need to correct but as an anonymous poster on a free interwebs message board I'm neither stupid nor arrogant enough to think I posses the power to make them change. If they 17 up we fire their *** and the debate begins on their replacement.
I disagreed with about everything you said until THIS ^^^^
Mullen played the leaving card 3 years ago, fans played the pink slip card last year, it should be time for Mullen to hold the cards again.
I can't say that, apples to apples, Hud would do a better job than Mullen. But sometimes it takes a "coaching reset" to keep climbing the mountain. However, Mullen has bought some time to see if he can steal some games instead of just treading water.
Mullen played the leaving card 3 years ago, fans played the pink slip card last year, it should be time for Mullen to hold the cards again.
I can't say that, apples to apples, Hud would do a better job than Mullen. But sometimes it takes a "coaching reset" to keep climbing the mountain. However, Mullen has bought some time to see if he can steal some games instead of just treading water.
Mullen has been pretty lucky escaping some of the easier teams on our schedule, but has not found a way to beat the good teams. Don't think we have to worry about him leaving until he has proven that he is capable of beating some of the upper tier SEC teams. Then, maybe some other schools may want him.