Hustle be damned

[engie]

The main negative was that this was the worst team in the big 12. It is great that we still have C34's opinion here from time to time though...

Since that's what I am**. Never disagree and argue with him or anything**

I'm sure he appreciates all the space he's still occupying in your dome though.

It's amazing to me what many here apparently think they can take from one early basketball game that we lay an egg in. Applying football mentality to other sports in essence.

But I look forward to another year of engie call-out threads for sticking with how good I thought we were and could be every time we lose a March baseball game too...

 

[prairiedawg]

We would not have had Pollard or Hood.

That is about the dumbest thing of dumb things you have posted. So just how in the hell can you say that Nostradamus? I can't say he would have kept Hood or signed Pollard, but you can't say he wouldn't have. And don't give me that **** that it was a known fact Hood was leaving, etc. Internet ********.

 

[dannyripms]

Guys everyone needs to just chill. Give Ray some time. If he can't get the recruiting going and start winning games next year then he will probably be gone, but I believe everyone agrees that Stan was under achieving and lost the team. They had no discipline and was an embarrassment. Now most of us thought Scott would make a better hire but it is what it is at this point. I wanted Stan's to step down but I also wanted a better coach. Let's give this another year or two and then see where we are at. I thought the hustle was great last year and thought we would be 500 or better this year but if we aren't then yeah I'll be disappointed. Let's see if they will improve as the year goes on. Gotta win the ones we are supposed to though. Big disappointment tonight. I think Scott was trying to out smart himself on this hire. Hard for me to believe that we couldn't get a bigger name in here for basketball being that we were usually one of the best in sec. But too late for that, let's hang in there for better or worse. Remember Cohen took a few years also.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Seconded

And for those that say "well StAINz had no talent comING baCk!11". There's no denying in my mind that we still wouldve been down last year (maybe this year too) had we kept him. However, I do know with his recruiting we would have been right back.

I want to like Ray. He seems like a nice guy, but his recruiting has been sub-subpar to this point. Players win games.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

I know we were in a crappy spot at the end of Stan's tenure but there is nothing like being schooled by a bottom feeder Big 12 program that doesn't even have their star player playing to make you wish for older days.

As far as Stans goes, he should have left sooner and never signed Sidney. Or at least the AD should have made him kick the crap of the team sooner instead of making us go through the dumpster fire and having a team so devoid of talent.

Just think. If RS had taken the job at Clemson, Ray would probably not have walked into that all important assistant's position at Clemson that is known for catapulting coaches into stardom.

 

[croomin]

All on Stricklin!

As far as I'm concerned, he can show himself to the door along with his joke of a basketball coach WHEN he fails.

Neither bring anything to the table.

 

[ArcherSPS]

How is Rick Ray a "joke of a basketball coach"? Want to know a joke of a basketball coach? One who didn't have a S&C coach...one who let the idiots run the asylum....one who underachieved his whole tenure and had players constantly transferring...that's a joke of a basketball coach..

 

[KurtRambis4]

I'll take

"underachieved" SEC champions, no s&c coach (allegedly), fights in the stands over barely beating jsu, getting blown out by the worst b12 team (missing their best player), etc etc etc all day every day.

 

[prairiedawg]

How is Rick Ray a "joke of a basketball coach"? Want to know a joke of a basketball coach? One who didn't have a S&C coach...one who let the idiots run the asylum....one who underachieved his whole tenure and had players constantly transferring...that's a joke of a basketball coach..

In spite of all this, we were still relevant. Stuff needed to happen, but to completely start over is down right depressing. This team is a long way from competing. I still buy season tickets, it's just depressing to drive over and watch. It will take a miracle worker to turn this around in a couple of years.

The timing of RS is the worst part. Most of the idiots would be gone (namely fatass) and he had a pretty good class coming in, but turning over to a new staff with no talent on board and knowing what was signed would probably jump ship was not good timing. If he put RS on a short leash for the next year, could ask him to step down then and at least the guy coming in would have something to work with. Not that it matters now, but just what should have been done.

The atmosphere in the Hump is completely gone now. Maybe 1,000 there tonight, no energy except when they made a little run at the end. Moving the student section to the end a few years ago was totally screwed up, and they do nothing where they are. Will continue to go, and hope for better.

 

[prairiedawg]

Like comparing apples and screwdrivers

Damn it, why did we hire this Cohen fool. Total disaster!!! We should have stuck with what we had!!! Polk never came in last in the sec! Twice in a row... And this guy is mean to our players and ran off all our talent!

Totally different situations. You try to hire a replacement and the candidates see there is nothing in the cupboard, that it is a total rebuilding situation. So, you keep the guy in place and let him do what he does, bring in some talent. He brings it in, if he doesn't do something with it right away, which he probably won't do based on what had been happening, you let him "retire" then. At that point, you get attention from some better suitors and they come in with something to work with.

There were positives and negatives from tonight's game.

Very few positives. Yes, they worked hard on defense and got the lead down to 3 from 18, but why did the lead get to 18 but by poor effort and execution. Against a team that lost to Longwell. What the hell is Longwell?

The fact that Ray may/may not be the right hire is inconsequential to the fact that it was time to move on from Stansbury. They are literally two different things entirely -- and I don't understand why people have trouble disconnecting them...

How can they not be connected? The administration created one situation by mishandling the other.

 

[KurtRambis4]

You pretty

much nailed it. The handling of the situation was a complete charley foxtrot. I haven't been to a game yet, under Ray, but I can imagine the atmosphere is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum compared to the prior years. It's a shame because like someone mentioned above I had the most fun at the hump during my time at state (02-06).

 

[jamdawg96]

WE HAD TO BLOW IT UP, DUDE. SACK UP FOR THE LONG HAUL.

 

[121Josey]

I only saw the 2nd half but...

There's some things I don't get:
1. Why extend the defense to 3/4 court when they drive straight to the hoop once they pass the timeline? We were like a sieve in the interior. 17 hussle if you don't do it on the defensive end.

2. State made their run when they started taking the ball to the hoop. State shot 3-18 3ptrs. That sucks. Maybe they thought that was how to get back in the game, but they couldn't throw it in the ocean last night. The game went back to 8 when they started shooting 3 ptrs. again. I mean, damn, all I hear about for 6 months was Ready's quick first step. I sure didn't see it.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

How is Rick Ray a "joke of a basketball coach"? Want to know a joke of a basketball coach? One who didn't have a S&C coach...one who let the idiots run the asylum....one who underachieved his whole tenure and had players constantly transferring...that's a joke of a basketball coach..

I know nothing about Stansbury's S&C program, but I HAVE seen something get mentioned on a message board and take on a life of its of its own. From the beginning it was pretty obvious what Stansbury's strengths and weaknesses were, but minus a deep tournament run, he got results and he got them on a fairly consistent basis. His fatal flow was keeping Sidney and his intoxicating talent around. Of course if he had cut him loose then the "there goes another one" crowd would come out of the woodwork.

As far as transfers go, that never bothered me because that's what college basketball has become - a revolving door. And while you might see good players leave in a flash, you can also turn a program overnight by getting a difference maker in and that's been my biggest disappointment with Ray. He's been through 3 signing periods now and hasn't landed one yet. He seems to be the type that thinks he can get by with bringing "projects" in and molding them into his style of play. There has been many a coach try that route, but at the end of the day, it doesn't work unless you have a player or two that can take over a game and carry a team on their back.Someone asked Shaquille one time about Phil Jackson's triangle offense. He said "try running that with the Clippers players and see what happens."

 

[KurtRambis4]

It's

hilarious how the "no s&c" story all of the sudden turned into fact, with absolutely no proof...other than what some never-was and a bunch of sheep stated

 

[Shmuley]

"Quick first step ...." Yeah, compared to teammates.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Do you honestly think we'll only give him 2 years?

 

[prairiedawg]

WE HAD TO BLOW IT UP, DUDE. SACK UP FOR THE LONG HAUL.

Can you please explain this?

 

[pmack65]

The only person who got RS fired was RS! I for one am glad we made the change. He did some good things here early on but the last 4-5 years were extremely weak. His overall record against top 25 and top 50 teams for his career was way under .500 and along with his lack of leadership it was time for a change. Now is Rick Ray the answer only time will tell with next year being that time. Not that he has to make the NCAA's but an NIT would be of great benefit to his cause. There's no denying he needs more players, especially a shooter, strong power forward and another good post player. In all honesty you almost have to give him a pass for his first year because of what he had to deal with injury wise and attrition. There are small improvements this year but not enough obviously to satisfy the fans so patience is required for this and probably 1 more year then after that if RR is still struggling then a new hire would be imperative.
I've been to their practices, I like what RR is teaching, his discipline and his on court demeanor, will this translate into being a highly successful coach we will see. As someone mentioned earlier Coach Cohen's teams sucked his first two years, then finally started to get better his third and now is back to being an elite program.
Lastly for all those Stansbury supporters who think he was this great coach you need to ask, if he was that good why is he still at home not coaching? Hell even Cunningham got a HC job at Troy. Rick Ray needs that chance to either succeed or fail, it's up to him but he does deserve our support, for now.

 

[pmack65]

What a ludicrous statement. Was Sidney a better talent he was but he was a fat lazy malcontent. Gavin has done everything asked of him. So if Gavin "hustle" reminds you of Sidney I suggest you learn a little more about the game and player development.

 

[patdog]

I don't often have inside scoop (not message board scoop, real scoop), but Hood is one case I do. He wanted out of MSU from before he ever set foot on campus. He was never going to stay. I don't know anything about Pollard other than the story was out that his dad told him on his deathbed that he wanted him to go to MSU and he still didn't sign with MSU in the early signing period. If we was ever going to sign with MSU, he would have done it then. Not to mention that he wouldn't still be here this year even if he had signed with us because of his involvement in his mother's kidnapping the child.

 

[patdog]

Everyone would be a lot better off today if Stansbury had just taken the Clemson job when he was offered. A fresh start would have been good for him at that time, and we would have been in much better position to make a good hire to replace him.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

And a hearty 17 you to all the Stans apologists

I would like to wish a hearty 17 you to all the Stansbury haters out there.

This **** is soooo much better.

I don't blame the players or Ray, I truly think they are doing about the best they can. I just fail to see how this beats winning 20 a year and being in the top of the SEC most every year.

Take your Sweet 16's and shove them up your ***.

And someone stifle the ***** commentating on the game. Even my wife said someone please cut off her 17ng mike!

who look for nothing except reasons to scream from the mountaintop that we should never have fired their favorite guy. If Ray is not the guy, it has nothing to do with the fact that it was time for new leadership in the basketball program.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

Rickray will get a third year, maybe a fourth. If he cannot recruit, he will fail. In the short term, our AD essentially burned our basketball program to the ground by allowing RS to stay one year too long and then giving us a rickray that absolutely no one had ever heard of. The coaching search was a Charlie Foxtrot as already mentioned in this thread. Only at MSU would our administration have used a scorched earth policy on a moderately successful basketball program. If for no other reason, Stricklin's handling of the basketball program makes me leery of his competence level. Time will tell...

The only person who got RS fired was RS! I for one am glad we made the change. He did some good things here early on but the last 4-5 years were extremely weak. His overall record against top 25 and top 50 teams for his career was way under .500 and along with his lack of leadership it was time for a change. Now is Rick Ray the answer only time will tell with next year being that time. Not that he has to make the NCAA's but an NIT would be of great benefit to his cause. There's no denying he needs more players, especially a shooter, strong power forward and another good post player. In all honesty you almost have to give him a pass for his first year because of what he had to deal with injury wise and attrition. There are small improvements this year but not enough obviously to satisfy the fans so patience is required for this and probably 1 more year then after that if RR is still struggling then a new hire would be imperative.
I've been to their practices, I like what RR is teaching, his discipline and his on court demeanor, will this translate into being a highly successful coach we will see. As someone mentioned earlier Coach Cohen's teams sucked his first two years, then finally started to get better his third and now is back to being an elite program.
Lastly for all those Stansbury supporters who think he was this great coach you need to ask, if he was that good why is he still at home not coaching? Hell even Cunningham got a HC job at Troy. Rick Ray needs that chance to either succeed or fail, it's up to him but he does deserve our support, for now.

 

[Philly Dawg]

This will take time, but our fans will have to have their paradigm shifted if we think that Stansbury's last 4-5 years were "extremely weak." Those five years included two trips to the NCAA tournament, two trips to the NIT tournament, two western division titles, and a SEC tournament title. There would only be two or three other five year periods in the program's entire history that would be as good as those five years, and one of them was another five year period during his tenure. Ten years from now, when we look at what's happened in the meantime, I doubt we'll feel that those 5 years were "extremely weak."


I fully support Ray, but Ray can be a successful coach at MSU and never even sniff the sustained level of success that Stansbury had. THAT is what shows how good a coach Stansbury was. We may have to have it beaten into the fans' heads over a period of time, but the only comparable period in the program's history was when Babe McCarthy was coach in the late fifties and early sixties. It could be decades before we have that level of sustained success again.

 

[tcdog70]

Damn it, why did we hire this Cohen fool. Total disaster!!! We should have stuck with what we had!!! Polk never came in last in the sec! Twice in a row... And this guy is mean to our players and ran off all our talent!

Ray has done some good things and some bad things. Bottom line is, if you have real expectations for this year, you were always going to be disappointed. There were positives and negatives from tonight's game. Next year, the rubber meets the road, or his seat should be scalding hot.

The fact that Ray may/may not be the right hire is inconsequential to the fact that it was time to move on from Stansbury. They are literally two different things entirely -- and I don't understand why people have trouble disconnecting them...

Engie, I am with you most of the Time but comparing Cohen to Ray, Hell no. Now Ray to Croom hell yes. Both unproven and over their head. Cohen proven winner. If Polk had been the third best Coach in the SEC (like Stans was) he would still be our Coach.

 

[tcdog70]

"underachieved" SEC champions, no s&c coach (allegedly), fights in the stands over barely beating jsu, getting blown out by the worst b12 team (missing their best player), etc etc etc all day every day.

Damn right, I'll take third winnest program in the SEC for ten years over this cluster17. Sidney on His worst day could score and rebound and make a fricking free throw even though he walked up the court.
I'm sick of Stans players were out of shape. Dee, Arnett and Hood played more minutes than anyone in the SEC, how can you do that and be out of shape.

 

[thunderclap]

I watched the game for about 90 seconds last night, and in that time we gave up 2 uncontested layups and shot 3 bricks. Ugly is too kind.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

Im just not sold on the premise that State cannot do as well as it did under Rick Stansbury with a new coach. RS was a heck of a recruiter, yet his coaching ability seemed to be way subpar from an X's and O's standpoint. It was typically street ball with the patented Stansbury stall to rob defeat from the jaws of victory on more than a few occasions. His teams were fundamentally unsound, undisciplined, and painful to watch even if victory (sort of like the football team was this year against BG and UK).

Rick Ray may not be the answer. I'm not sold on him yet. However, why couldn't we hire a coach who can coach and recruit? The SEC is a **** league when it comes to hoops. The bar is set pretty low. A decent coach can have success at State in the SEC. Unfortunately we are currently fielding a SWAC level team, talent wise. For Coach Ray, it will all depend on his ability to recruit, and I think his next signing class will tell the tale on that.

This will take time, but our fans will have to have their paradigm shifted if we think that Stansbury's last 4-5 years were "extremely weak." Those five years included two trips to the NCAA tournament, two trips to the NIT tournament, two western division titles, and a SEC tournament title. There would only be two or three other five year periods in the program's entire history that would be as good as those five years, and one of them was another five year period during his tenure. Ten years from now, when we look at what's happened in the meantime, I doubt we'll feel that those 5 years were "extremely weak."


I fully support Ray, but Ray can be a successful coach at MSU and never even sniff the sustained level of success that Stansbury had. THAT is what shows how good a coach Stansbury was. We may have to have it beaten into the fans' heads over a period of time, but the only comparable period in the program's history was when Babe McCarthy was coach in the late fifties and early sixties. It could be decades before we have that level of sustained success again.

 

[Seinfeld]

I will never argue the fact that it was time for Stans to go, but my personal "17 you" is for all the *** hats that bitched and moaned for years about how much better things would be if we'd just get a new coach. They were completely delusional in thinking that top up and comers would be lining up at the door to take this job, and while I suppose there was some sliver of hope that things might get better with a new head honcho in charge, I have 100+ years of history on my side that tells me that Stans' tenure is as good as it gets for us.

For the 17ers that wanted change, you got it. We suck, we're not getting better, and it will probably take the right guy 2+ more years at a minimum to get back to simply being competitive on a consistent basis. Prior to last week, some of you are getting dangerously close to pulling the same **** with our football team too.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

I understand your points. And honestly, with Stansbury its not that I thought we would immediately be better by getting rid of him. I would be okay with Stansbury's level of success minus all of the distractions that came along with it. In the end, he had simply lost the team. And you can't lose the team and stay the head coach. When it was all said and done, that in and of itself is the reason we had to make a change.

Since that necessary move we have had issues with in-fighting which has hurt us, and we may or may not have made the best hire. The support system needs to get back on the same page and continue to support the program like they did under Stans, regardless of who the coach is. If we can do that, then we will be taking a step in the right direction, whether we have to replace Ray in another season or not.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Aaaaand there it is.

And for the record, I concur. Put up with half a decade of listening to how all our problems would be solved as soon as we got rid of Stans. A little over a year later, I'm not sure what problem we solved other than having trouble finding a parking spot at the Hump

BOOM!!!

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

It's amazing to me what many here apparently think they can take from one early basketball game that we lay an egg in.

No ****. It's like people didn't even see the Jackson State game. WTF?

 

[Philly Dawg]

I'm not saying that it can't happen. It's happened now twice. I'm saying that for it to happen, MSU has to overachieve based upon its natural position from a recruiting territory / tradition / resources standpoint. What Stansbury achieved has to be put into context.

As I've posted before, I generally disagree with your assessment of Stansbury as a coach. There is no need to go into it the details of the argument again, but its simply impossible that we could have had the success we did for as long as we did with the statistics we had if your assessment is true. (We were often amongst the leaders in the country in defense and rebounding statistics.) Although he was a good recruiter, our recruiting was not better on paper than many of our opponents such as LSU and Alabama. If anything, we outperformed our recruiting.

 

[Dawgbreeze]

I will simply be nice and say you never talked to Hood or his parents. I did and he would have stayed if Stan's was still here. Also, how bad would we be if Stan's recruits were not here now? (Thomas, Sword, Ware, and Bouchert( yes, Stan's placed him at EMMCC) . You and your buddies Coach34, thick, Fishwater, DawgatAuburn, and a few other clones spent so much time bashing Stan's you forgot the success we had. Was it perfect? Hell no, but as bad as you fools said he couldn't coach, compare it to this crap we have on the floor now and we have no idea how to run a half court offense and the only chance we have on any game is to make it a "street game ". Forget recruiting , we can't get half of them in and we have no chance with Malik. If Stan's had to go, we should have had an upgrade already in place and we will never get to .500 in the league and we have cost the university hundreds of thousands of dollars and for God's sake, we are giving away tickets to students and selling others at 50 per cent discounts. You guys wanted it, so you got it.



QUOTE=patdog;958008]I don't often have inside scoop (not message board scoop, real scoop), but Hood is one case I do. He wanted out of MSU from before he ever set foot on campus. He was never going to stay. I don't know anything about Pollard other than the story was out that his dad told him on his deathbed that he wanted him to go to MSU and he still didn't sign with MSU in the early signing period. If we was ever going to sign with MSU, he would have done it then. Not to mention that he wouldn't still be here this year even if he had signed with us because of his involvement in his mother's kidnapping the child.[/QUOTE]

 

[engie]

Engie, I am with you most of the Time but comparing Cohen to Ray, Hell no. Now Ray to Croom hell yes. Both unproven and over their head. Cohen proven winner. If Polk had been the third best Coach in the SEC (like Stans was) he would still be our Coach.

I'm not actually comparing Ray to Cohen -- I'm pointing out an obvious, recent example of total fanbase overreaction during a rebuilding process in a big3 sport at MSU. Our fanbase is guilty of applying football mentality to every huge goose-egg game in the 2nd and 3rd sports -- and trying to apply those couple of instances to "the big picture" rather than taking them for what they are -- small pieces of a very big pie that apply to an even bigger puzzle. If I cared enough, I would go to yuku and pull a bunch of the 2010 baseball posts -- because they are easy as heck to find and totally hilarious in hindsight. A LARGE percentage of this place was ready to go another direction after Cohen struggled through year 2 and were convinced he wasn't the correct answer. Many still wanted Butch Thompson fired after year 3. It's a total comedy of errors in hindsight. The starting point in basketball is similar -- if not worse. Crowds in the Hump? Those had been falling off for a few years -- and will take a few years of a decent basketball to get them back. Cohen is about to have year 4 of success(in year 6 overall) -- and he'll just now finally have the crowds 100% back at Dudy Noble after his Omaha run last year.

Yes -- we looked horrible last night. And we've looked horrible ever since Ready went down -- while easing him back into the lineup last night. We didn't play with ANY confidence last night. Timid. Especially Ware and FTF. Until we relaxed down big and stormed back into the game late. Fred is scared to shoot which takes him out of the game altogether basically(that's on Ray), Borchert had a terrible shooting game, and Ware was afraid until he finally got the first short turnaround to fall. He was finally building a little confidence toward the end of that game. Sword was a positive -- and Ready was a little bit of a positive. Our defense was the worst I've seen it be under Ray last night. Is there some over-arching implication to last night? Hardly. Just another egg in a rebuilding process -- like when Cohen lost to Jackson St.

There is no way to adequately know for sure if Ray can get it done or not at this point. There's been some positives in coaching and development. And some negatives in recruiting and roster management. I want to see improvement this year, and I've still got plenty of time to see it. We lost 2 key pieces this year that we were expecting to be back in Steele and Lewis. Next year, in year 3, Rick Ray's free pass is over. Stansbury expectations. We better be close to being an NCAA team in year 3 -- or I'll be in agreement that he was the wrong hire and has to go, that we need to go another direction, and that Stricklin shouldn't get a chance to play any role in the hire.

 

[fishwater99]

I will simply be nice and say you never talked to Hood or his parents. I did and he would have stayed if Stan's was still here. Also, how bad would we be if Stan's recruits were not here now? (Thomas, Sword, Ware, and Bouchert( yes, Stan's placed him at EMMCC) . You and your buddies Coach34, thick, Fishwater, DawgatAuburn, and a few other clones spent so much time bashing Stan's you forgot the success we had. Was it perfect? Hell no, but as bad as you fools said he couldn't coach, compare it to this crap we have on the floor now and we have no idea how to run a half court offense and the only chance we have on any game is to make it a "street game ". Forget recruiting , we can't get half of them in and we have no chance with Malik. If Stan's had to go, we should have had an upgrade already in place and we will never get to .500 in the league and we have cost the university hundreds of thousands of dollars and for God's sake, we are giving away tickets to students and selling others at 50 per cent discounts. You guys wanted it, so you got it.

I agree that Strickin totally botched the BBall hire, he had no clue what he was doing, and it shows.
I think most can agree that a change was needed at the Head Coaching position, and it happened a year or two too late imo..
The Dumpster fire that your buddy left us was burning too hot for any coach to want to take over.
And I am not just talking about all the weed our players were smoking..
Time will tell if Scott made a really bad decision or not, is Ray our Croom of basketball, maybe?
But to say we will never finish above .500 in the league is absurd, but that's nothing new coming from you.
Rick Ray needs to learn to recruit and do it in a hurry, or I will be ready for him to leave too.
We need to make room for Pollard and sign a true 3pt shooter and another Big Man ASAP.

We can't live and Die by the 3 Ball...
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[johnson86-1]

Stuff needed to happen, but to completely start over is down right depressing.

The timing of RS is the worst part. Most of the idiots would be gone (namely fatass) and he had a pretty good class coming in, but turning over to a new staff with no talent on board and knowing what was signed would probably jump ship was not good timing.

Good luck firing a coach and not starting completely over in basketball. How would you even go about doing that? The chances were good that the cupboard was going to be bare regardless of how we transitioned from Stansbury because basketball players are willing to transfer. It's easy to say now we missed our chance by letting Stansbury stay a year too long, but that's with hindsight. At the time, while keeping Stansbury looked risky, firing him looked just as, if not more, risky and Stansbury probably deserved the benefit of the doubt with a call that close. Yes, we'd be one step further along in the rebuilding process and might have had more talent, but it wasn't unreasonable to think Stansbury could turn it around and approach retirement with the team in better shape.

The reality is there was very little chance that we were going to have a quick turn around, regardless of when Stansbury left. Hiring a coach that was not ready to recruit our area on day one pretty much put the two year turn around out of reach. Maybe Rick Ray will be good enough to be worth it in the long run, but it's amazing to me that people are wasting time wishing that we had the dumpster fire back. If you're going to waste time wishing anything, why not wish that we had done a better job with the coaching search?

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Everyone would be a lot better off today if Stansbury had just taken the Clemson job when he was offered. A fresh start would have been good for him at that time, and we would have been in much better position to make a good hire to replace him.

And why is that? Surely you aren't buying into the myth that it was Stansbury's fault MSU had to settle on Ray. That's ridiculous.

 

[tenureplan]

I'm pretty sure he means from this seson

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