Hutzler Contract

[NWADawg]

I just looked up Hutzler's contract info. If I read that correctly, we guaranteed the entirety of the base pay. So we'll pay him $1mil/yr for 3 more years (or lump sum equivalent) even if we fire him this week.
Who give an unknown this contract?

 

[ETK99]

I just looked up Hutzler's contract info. If I read that correctly, we guaranteed the entirety of the base pay. So we'll pay him $1mil/yr for 3 more years (or lump sum equivalent) even if we fire him this week.
Who give an unknown this contract?

Was a 3 year contract, so we'd owe him about $2MM

 

[NWADawg]

Good. 247 states his contract as through 2027. Glad that's wrong.

 

[57stratdawg]

Might be why they want him to stay on as special teams coordinator. They gotta pay him either way.

 

[HailStout]

Might be why they want him to stay on as special teams coordinator

He sure as hell isn’t going to get and offer to be any kind of defensive coach anywhere else after this

 

[dawgstudent]

Might be why they want him to stay on as special teams coordinator

So we only lose $1 million in total instead of $2 million b/c paying $1 million/year for a special teams coach is absurd.

 

[mcdawg22]

Does he have an offset clause? If so you guys are completely wrong. Hutzler is a fine DC and think any potential SEC school that wants him should definitely swoop him up for 1 million a year. He would make a great asset to any coaching staff. Hire him immediately.

 

[GloryDawg]

You don't have to fire him. Just demote him. Make it so bad he quits.

 

[The Peeper]

He sure as hell isn’t going to get and offer to be any kind of defensive coach anywhere else after this

Peter Sirmon says hey and hold my beer. He's in his 7th, yes SEVENTH season at Cal

 

[She Mate Me]

Peter Sirmon says hey and hold my beer. He's in his 7th, yes SEVENTH season at Cal

That's pretty incredible. Sirmon actually had SEC level players when he coached those shitastic Bulldog defenses. Hutzler at least has the excuse that this is the worst talent MSU has had on D in the modern era.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You don't have to fire him. Just demote him. Make it so bad he quits.

Good coaches don't do stupid shlt like this. Neither do good leaders in the real world.

You either fire him or you don't.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Peter Sirmon says hey and hold my beer. He's in his 7th, yes SEVENTH season at Cal

And he's 27th in total defense.

Hutzler, just like Sirmon, probably because a coordinator too soon. But he can certainly get better. And if everyone is all whining about a "total rebuild" why are they blaming everything on Hutzler?

 

[OG Goat Holder]

double post

 

[Maroon13]

And he's 27th in total defense.

Hutzler, just like Sirmon, probably because a coordinator too soon. But he can certainly get better. And if everyone is all whining about a "total rebuild" why are they blaming everything on Hutzler?

I'm not saying keep Hutzler. I rewatched 3/4 of that Arkansas game.....we rushed 7,6,5,3 depending on the situation. It seemed Hutzler called every variety of defense you can. Sometimes players were out of position or didn't do their assignment.

However for the most part....our DLs couldn't get off blocks. Even When we rushed 6-7, Ark blocked us, 1v1 no problem. When we did get penetration or one on one in space..... the Ark QB was a better athlete than anyone we have on defense. There is personel issues too.

 

[patdog]

Might be why they want him to stay on as special teams coordinator. They gotta pay him either way.

That's just asking for problems. You can't keep a coach around after you've fired/demoted him. Same reason we couldn't just keep Arnett as defensive coordinator since "we have to pay him anyway." Not to mention, the SC coach seems to be doing a pretty good job. But I never underestimate our ability to do stupid things (like give him that contract to begin with).

 

[BulldogBlitz]

We just signed him to a fat extension. Salmon wants to burn it all to the ground but it isn't happening fast enough.

 

[Villagedawg]

Good coaches don't do stupid shlt like this. Neither do good leaders in the real world.

You either fire him or you don't.

This is correct. Take a breath, look at the situation, make a call. Doing stuff like that is how you eventually ensure no one will come work for you.

 

[ckDOG]

And he's 27th in total defense.

Hutzler, just like Sirmon, probably because a coordinator too soon. But he can certainly get better. And if everyone is all whining about a "total rebuild" why are they blaming everything on Hutzler?

I blame Lebby for hiring Hutzler. It was a stupid risk from the start. Firing Lebby isn't an option. Firing Hutzler is. Can him and get a guy in here that has called a defense and can work the portal to improve our immediate talent level.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I blame Lebby for hiring Hutzler. It was a stupid risk from the start. Firing Lebby isn't an option. Firing Hutzler is. Can him and get a guy in here that has called a defense and can work the portal to improve our immediate talent level.

Probably the best move, from this point. Hutzer will be fine, just like Sirmon.

Definitely more ammunition though, in the 'Lebby won't get it done' camp. At least we did eventually show a little semblance of competency in 2009 and 2016, when we had issues like this. Did it by inserting new players, etc.

 

[johnson86-1]

I just looked up Hutzler's contract info. If I read that correctly, we guaranteed the entirety of the base pay. So we'll pay him $1mil/yr for 3 more years (or lump sum equivalent) even if we fire him this week.
Who give an unknown this contract?

So there is apparently some incorrect info out there about Hutzler's contract.

The daily journal reported this:

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If MSU fires Hutzler for convenience, he would still be owed all of his remaining salary, but if Hutzler resigns, retires or takes an assistant coach position elsewhere, MSU would owe him only 50 percent of his remaining salary — and if he takes an assistant coaching job at another SEC school, MSU would only owe him 25 percent. Should Hutzler become the head coach at another institution, MSU would still be obligated to pay the entire remainder of his salary. https://www.djournal.com/sports/col...cle_5d63d584-c9e4-11ee-a836-135960dbd70e.html​

If that were correct, it would be grounds for immediate dismissal of any attorney that looked at it on behalf of MSU and also the athletic director. You'd pretty much have to be intentionally working against MSU's interest to have a contract like that.

247Sports reports a much more sane contract that I assume is correct:

If fired for convenience, Hutzler would be owed all remaining gross salary on his contract, as if it naturally expired.​

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If Hutzler were to resign, or take a job somewhere else, he would owe the University a payment of 50% of his remaining salary for however many years are left on his contract. If Hutzler were to take a job at another SEC program, that number increases to 75%. If Hutzler were to become a head coach, he would not have to pay back any of his contract. https://247sports.com/college/missi...otball-assistant-coaching-salaries-226826466/​

That contract is very reasonable. The buyout terms are actually pretty favorable for MSU as far as helping ensure some longevity if he's successful.

That said, if we hired a first time head coach without an agreement that he would have an experienced coordinator on the other side of the ball, that is still an awful job and something that Selmon should be called to the carpet over. If he weren't basically brand new, I would say that's a fireable offense. Just inexcusable. WIth him being new, it's still really, really bad. We just fired a coach where we saw what happens when you are inexperienced on both sides of the ball. I don't know how you just don't even take an hour to look at and discuss what went wrong with the last hire before you commit 8 figures of university money. But I don't know if you can fire a new AD for his first mistake, even if it's a really bad one like that.

 

[ckDOG]

Probably the best move, from this point. Hutzer will be fine, just like Sirmon.

Definitely more ammunition though, in the 'Lebby won't get it done' camp. At least we did eventually show a little semblance of competency in 2009 and 2016, when we had issues like this. Did it by inserting new players, etc.

If Lebby had a documented history at HC and being responsible for defenses we could show more patience. I don't think anyone wants to see us spend any time having a green HC let a green DC find his way.

This was a really dumb move on Lebby's part. Even micromanaging egomaniac Mullen was humble enough to hire a near retired retread that had decades of experience while he was getting his feet wet as HC. Or perhaps he was forced to - which was wise on the ADs part if so. Lebby/Selmon are either dumb or arrogant - possibly both. You just can't have the two most important coaches be learning on the job. Not in SEC and surely not in the NIL era.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

This was a really dumb move on Lebby's part. Even micromanaging egomaniac Mullen was humble enough to hire a near retired retread that had decades of experience while he was getting his feet wet as HC. Or perhaps he was forced to - which was wise on the ADs part if so. Lebby/Selmon are either dumb or arrogant - possibly both. You just can't have the two most important coaches be learning on the job. Not in SEC and surely not in the NIL era.

100000%. Can't say it any better. Even Croom did it. Moorhead too.

It's not a terrible thing to put stipulations on things like this. We SHOULD have done it to Arnett last year, but we had so many folks screaming, "ItS mUh HiS pRoGrUm!!!111" Well, no....there are extenuating circumstances that require intervention.

 

[HailStout]

100000%. Can't say it any better. Even Croom did it. Moorhead too.

It's not a terrible thing to put stipulations on things like this. We SHOULD have done it to Arnett last year, but we had so many folks screaming, "ItS mUh HiS pRoGrUm!!!111" Well, no....there are extenuating circumstances that require intervention.

Yep, I think that if arnett had kept the offensive staff from the previous year and not meddled in the offense at all he likely would still be our head coach. Not saying he would have been the next Saban, but we would have won enough for him to survive.

 

[She Mate Me]

There are a lot of experienced, once well thought of coaches who get thrown in the fire pit after accepting a HC gig and failing.

I'd much rather have a staff with some guys who have actual experience at high levels trying re-establish themselves than what we're seeing this year.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

We just signed him to a fat extension. Salmon wants to burn it all to the ground but it isn't happening fast enough.

This makes perfect sense. The AD "wants to burn it all the ground". I heard he was getting 100x his current compensation from an SEC collective of all the other teams, led by Ole Miss. It is designed to eliminate MSU from SEC and national contention. That's why he doesn't care about being a good AD and doesn't care about his salary, because he doesn't even NEED it to feed his family. I can't believe we let this guy slip in here and pull this off.***

 

[HailStout]

I'd much rather have a bologna sandwich than what we're seeing this year.

FIFY

 

[patdog]

Lebby/Selmon are either dumb or arrogant - possibly both. You just can't have the two most important coaches be learning on the job. Not in SEC and surely not in the NIL era.

They're not stupid. But they think they know everything and they don't. And that's more dangerous than being stupid and knowing you're stupid.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

They're not stupid. But they think they know everything and they don't. And that's more dangerous than being stupid and knowing you're stupid.

Yep, just like politicians. People call them stupid all day, but if you meet them in person, they are actually very impressive. Problem is, like you said, arrogance most of the time. Sometimes it's their financial concerns, sometimes it's their loyalty to a cause.

You don't get to the level these folks are at if you're stupid. Everyone thought Croom was stupid too. Well, I met him, he's far from that. Very impressive face guy.

 

[paindonthurt17]

I'm not saying keep Hutzler. I rewatched 3/4 of that Arkansas game.....we rushed 7,6,5,3 depending on the situation. It seemed Hutzler called every variety of defense you can. Sometimes players were out of position or didn't do their assignment.

However for the most part....our DLs couldn't get off blocks. Even When we rushed 6-7, Ark blocked us, 1v1 no problem. When we did get penetration or one on one in space..... the Ark QB was a better athlete than anyone we have on defense. There is personel issues too.

We have very very little talent on defense. Its real bad. D line is juco level bad.

 

[peewee.sixpack]

We have very very little talent on defense. Its real bad. D line is juco level bad.

I believe it is worse than juco bad.

 

[She Mate Me]

I believe it is worse than juco bad.

With the injuries, it's hard to disagree.