I almost feel like Lebby is being stubborn…

[dawgstudent]

With Taylor.

Q: Was there any thought on giving KaMario Taylor a series to try to change things up?
Lebby: No. I felt with the run game piece of it and what we wanted was to do the run game through the backs. To me, that is what was going to give us the best opportunity to go run the football successfully. We didn’t do that consistently at all and that is something we will go back and look at. That wasn’t something in the middle of it that felt like the right thing.

 

[msualohadog]

That quote was a headscratcher. Establishing a run game is the perfect scenario for letting a young QB get his feet wet.

 

[msualohadog]

Lebby needs to go old school Jackie Sherrill. Backup QB plays 3rd series no matter what. Gets experience and avoids QB controversy talk. Team will rally around him and try to get him a TD which helps.

 

[bulldognation]

This is a thing that is true.
I thought the run game was there in the first quarter, but then we backed away and continued to let Shapen drop back and get clobbered over and over. Announcers talked all night about A&Ms young QB and him getting his passes out quicker so he can gain confidence. Our Senior QB sure didn’t get that. And yeah I know our O line sucks.

 

[Pookieray]

That quote was a headscratcher. Establishing a run game is the perfect scenario for letting a young QB get his feet wet.

He said establish a run game through the backs. He ain't ready and he does not give us the best chance to win. Games cannot be won just by a running game. Let it go, this game was lost on the LOS on both sides of the ball for us.

 

[8dog]

Gotta shorten the passing game some. The deep routes just don’t have time to develop consistently

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Lebby is still a work in progress. He's still learning how to call sitiational plays. He's still learning how to evaluate coaching hires. He's still learning how to conduct practice. He's still learning how to build a roster. He is in a phase in his career where every week he's taking in new information and analyzing it.
He out thinks himself like a lot of coaches do all over the country. He'll get better as he gets more experience.

Unfortunately our roster isn't built to win with this schedule while he evolves as a program leader.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

OR he's sees all those guys in practice and knows Taylor isn't ready and doesn't want to get him killed behind that line to start his career

 

[Irondawg]

He was being stubborn for sure last night. I think everyone knows he’s not ready to get a ton of reps. But in the middle of the game, calling a pass was among for a turnover or 2nd and 20.

It was at least worth trying a battering ram approach and see if we could break through their front line.

Worst case he should have been in the drive Fluff got hurt. That should have been him and Xavier

 

[Drebin]

With Taylor.

Q: Was there any thought on giving KaMario Taylor a series to try to change things up?
Lebby: No. I felt with the run game piece of it and what we wanted was to do the run game through the backs. To me, that is what was going to give us the best opportunity to go run the football successfully. We didn’t do that consistently at all and that is something we will go back and look at. That wasn’t something in the middle of it that felt like the right thing.

It's like what he said at the halftime when he was asked what he could do differently from a playcalling perspective to slow down their pass rush and he ignored that question and instead talked about making adjustments on the OL.

There are times that I like Lebby and there are times that I think he's in over his head.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

It's like what he said at the halftime when he was asked what he could do differently from a playcalling perspective to slow down their pass rush and he ignored that question and instead talked about making adjustments on the OL.

There are times that I like Lebby and there are times that I think he's in over his head.

The man could've said we're down three OL in our rotation and we simply are lost up front, because that was the damn truth

 

[Pookieray]

Gotta shorten the passing game some. The deep routes just don’t have time to develop consistently

i agree, but that was there game plan. take the short routes away and make us have to run or throw the deep ball.

 

[Pookieray]

Vegas put out spreads based on best case scenario for both teams, sometimes they lose but mostly they win. The turnovers were the difference in the 20 pt lose and the 14 spread. We were on target to take Vegas down once again but not A&M. We don't have the pieces on the lines to do that.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Lebby would rather lose his way. After the fake punt against Tenn, most any other coach would have run it down their throats. Tenn was ready to roll over and play dead.

 

[basedawg]

With Taylor.

Q: Was there any thought on giving KaMario Taylor a series to try to change things up?
Lebby: No. I felt with the run game piece of it and what we wanted was to do the run game through the backs. To me, that is what was going to give us the best opportunity to go run the football successfully. We didn’t do that consistently at all and that is something we will go back and look at. That wasn’t something in the middle of it that felt like the right thing.

I would have played either of the two backups that later part of 4th quarter. We are so beat up with the Oline it doesn't matter what we do offensively right now. We are still a "work in progress", I think we will win a few more games. We just got to recruit and get some depth especially offensively.
Lebby also is a work in progress, but I like him.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Vegas put out spreads based on best case scenario for both teams, sometimes they lose but mostly they win. The turnovers were the difference in the 20 pt lose and the 14 spread. We were on target to take Vegas down once again but not A&M. We don't have the pieces on the lines to do that.

Stop making sense Pookie, they don't want to hear it

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Only thing I saw I didn't like was leaving the starters in late, but hard to fault coach for not wanting to quit like the fans do

 

[Drebin]

The man could've said we're down three OL in our rotation and we simply are lost up front, because that was the damn truth

There are things he can do as a coach with his playcalling to mitigate that some, and that's the damn truth too.

 

[CaptainFalcon]

Lebby would rather lose his way. After the fake punt against Tenn, most any other coach would have run it down their throats. Tenn was ready to roll over and play dead.

I mean it seemed to me like the classic “take a deep shot after a big play” approach that you see very frequently. We were going for a dagger and the left tackle failed us. I didn’t hate that play call. Easy to second guess with hindsight.

 

[patdog]

Good lord. You throw Taylor out there in the road and if anything it would be worse. He would be completely overwhelmed.

 

[BigDawg0074]

That game is mostly on play calling. Nine points is unacceptable even on the road against #6. The backs needed more carries while Lebby was out there trying to take shots with two tackles that couldn’t block. That was stupid no matter how you slice it. At this point we are better off running it on third and fifteen rather than give up another sack or hurried throw and potential turnover.

 

[msualohadog]

I think we are all in violent agreement about KT. Everyone sees what we are, and what we are going to be at QB. Trick will be how Lebby continues to navigate this.

My personal opinion is he's not introducing him into situations enough to allow him to grow. He needs to look no further than last year with MVB. He had no choice there, but MVB grew. He can't bubble wrap KT.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Vegas put out spreads based on best case scenario for both teams, sometimes they lose but mostly they win. The turnovers were the difference in the 20 pt lose and the 14 spread. We were on target to take Vegas down once again but not A&M. We don't have the pieces on the lines to do that.

Do you even know how sports wagers work?

 

[Pookieray]

Do you even know how sports wagers work?

absolutely

 

[onewoof]

With Taylor.

Q: Was there any thought on giving KaMario Taylor a series to try to change things up?
Lebby: No. I felt with the run game piece of it and what we wanted was to do the run game through the backs. To me, that is what was going to give us the best opportunity to go run the football successfully. We didn’t do that consistently at all and that is something we will go back and look at. That wasn’t something in the middle of it that felt like the right thing.

Look at Texas sacrificing their season to get reps for young Manning

 

[basedawg]

Good lord. You throw Taylor out there in the road and if anything it would be worse. He would be completely overwhelmed.

What about the Fsu QB playing? Strange to me, he did play some last year, why not use him a few snaps.

 

[patdog]

What about the Fsu QB playing? Strange to me, he did play some last year, why not use him a few snaps.

What very little he’s played he didn’t look that good to me. But that’s way too small a sample size. I think the real answer is Lebby thinks Shapen is playing fairly well & is the best QB we’ve got right now by far. I agree with him.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

absolutely

Then you should know that Vegas wins no matter the result of the game. I'm really not sure what you mean by " taking Vegas down". The only way Vegas loses is if they get too much money wagered on one team.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

He said establish a run game through the backs. He ain't ready and he does not give us the best chance to win. Games cannot be won just by a running game. Let it go, this game was lost on the LOS on both sides of the ball for us.

We would be setting Taylor up to fail, ....throwing him into this game.

 

[CaptainFalcon]

Good lord. You throw Taylor out there in the road and if anything it would be worse. He would be completely overwhelmed.

We tried that with Chris Parson two years ago and it was an unmitigated disaster. I think Kamario is more talented than Parson but yeah we are not at the “play the freshman” point yet. Not sitting at 4-2, or what was 4-1 going into last night.

 

[dawgstudent]

We tried that with Chris Parson two years ago and it was an unmitigated disaster. I think Kamario is more talented than Parson but yeah we are not at the “play the freshman” point yet. Not sitting at 4-2, or what was 4-1 going into last night.

I think most everyone is saying play Shapen but to use Taylor a bit more.

 

[DocHolliday.sixpack]

Down by 22 with three to play, why not give Taylor an opportunity to test the waters? Something more than, he’s in it to rush up the middle to gain one or two. At least it’s a bigger sample size.

 

[patdog]

Down by 22 with three to play, why not give Taylor an opportunity to test the waters? Something more than, he’s in it to rush up the middle to gain one or two. At least it’s a bigger sample size.

Cause that’s a real bad situation to throw a true FR into. The time to give him more playing time is not in SEC games. And unfortunately, with our schedule the easy OOC games were early when he had even less practice time.

 

[basedawg]

What very little he’s played he didn’t look that good to me. But that’s way too small a sample size. I think the real answer is Lebby thinks Shapen is playing fairly well & is the best QB we’ve got right now by far. I agree with him.

I just can't see not playing a few backups in the last few minutes of the 4th quarter. Imagine if Shapen would have gotten injured?

 

[DocHolliday.sixpack]

Cause that’s a real bad situation to throw a true FR into. The time to give him more playing time is not in SEC games. And unfortunately, with our schedule the easy OOC games were early when he had even less practice time.

While I understand what you’re saying, what’s the worst that can happen? He ends Fluff’s season or he goes three and out?**** With our OL, we’re one snap away from Taylor being in this position.

 

[GloryDawg]

Lebby is still a work in progress. He's still learning how to call sitiational plays.

This is the only point I would argue against. He was an OC and should know.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

There are things he can do as a coach with his playcalling to mitigate that some, and that's the damn truth too.

Not really, we don't have the players

 

[The Cooterpoot]

That game is mostly on play calling. Nine points is unacceptable even on the road against #6. The backs needed more carries while Lebby was out there trying to take shots with two tackles that couldn’t block. That was stupid no matter how you slice it. At this point we are better off running it on third and fifteen rather than give up another sack or hurried throw and potential turnover.

Well, we should've had at least 21 points but the damn turf got Booth and Work did Work **** on the goal line. 21 against that defense ain't bad either. I'd say the OL and bad luck got us.

 

[GloryDawg]

Watching last night's second half felt like watching last season. I hope a week off will get them back to where they need to be.

 

[Drebin]

Not really, we don't have the players

If this were the case there would never be upsets. Inferior talent wins games all the time. Coaching matters.