I am going to say it.....
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So in that case, you should never change coaches? Or limit your coaching search to only those that are unemployed?
Recruiting high school kids has never been less impactful...more important to make a change when needed, and get the right coach in here.
Almost just ran through my wall and I'm not even sure why.
Weāll find out by next week Wednesday where we stand, what the story is going to be the next few years. Someone in this thread is going to be proven correct with his predictions.
Two things I wanna say: One: Iām hoping for the best, that by next Wednesday weāll have our man at PSUHFC and that as a consequence there will me much rejoicing on the McAndrew Board. Two: I appreciate your passion on this issue, all respect. Penn State Proud and all thatā¦
Two things I wanna say: One: Iām hoping for the best, that by next Wednesday weāll have our man at PSUHFC and that as a consequence there will me much rejoicing on the McAndrew Board. Two: I appreciate your passion on this issue, all respect. Penn State Proud and all thatā¦
Someone in the replies said Sitake has family in State College. Is that true?
Do you even follow recruiting? Recruits are not committing to a head coach who probably won't be the head coach in a week
Let's take emotion and names off everything for a minute. Let's work with only what we know as we are trying to fill in holes based on certain names going off the board --- and let's for argument's sake, say this was NOT botched. If it was, then all bets are off the table.
If the new coach is not currently coaching or already at PSU, there seems to be no reason for any further delays. That seems to eliminate anyone within PSU or recently available coaches from NFL or college.
If it is a head coach that is still coaching and we don't want to risk a Lane Kiffin situation here, that now leaves Kilani Sitake at BYU, who does not appear initially to be someone you'd fire Franklin to get. And I agree it seems unlikely PSU gets a current head coach from ether Alabama or Notre Dame so let's remove them.
If the candidate is currently an assistant coach/coordinator, it seems this could also be appropriately announced that the coach will start at PSU either after the CCG or the playoff --- UNLESS that coordinator is currently coaching a rival team with serious national championship potential --- in which case the current team would want to protect their current season, current roster, and avoid massive media distractions.
The current silence would make absolute sense and be justified if it is Brian Hartline, or perhaps Will Stein.
If the new coach is not currently coaching or already at PSU, there seems to be no reason for any further delays. That seems to eliminate anyone within PSU or recently available coaches from NFL or college.
If it is a head coach that is still coaching and we don't want to risk a Lane Kiffin situation here, that now leaves Kilani Sitake at BYU, who does not appear initially to be someone you'd fire Franklin to get. And I agree it seems unlikely PSU gets a current head coach from ether Alabama or Notre Dame so let's remove them.
If the candidate is currently an assistant coach/coordinator, it seems this could also be appropriately announced that the coach will start at PSU either after the CCG or the playoff --- UNLESS that coordinator is currently coaching a rival team with serious national championship potential --- in which case the current team would want to protect their current season, current roster, and avoid massive media distractions.
The current silence would make absolute sense and be justified if it is Brian Hartline, or perhaps Will Stein.
For the first time in the coaching search, I finally feel like we might have our man...Sitake. His answer today in his press conference seems like the type of answer that someone on their way out might give (then again, could be totally misreading it).
Did he bring those Mormon Wives that have that show on Hulu though? Asking for a friend.
Well, if he is trying to be the head coach himself, wouldnāt that be motivation to try? He is still employed by the university and he is the lead defensive recruiter.
I dont know Sitake well, but I've admired that program from afar. Can I ask, just to understand....why is DeBoer>>>>than Sitake in the collective minds of this board? Has DeBoer been great at Alabama? He clearly overachieved at Washington then took a position across the country in alabama....sounds a lot like sitake. Toughness, discipline, personality....I think Sitake is intriguing. Yes, mo experience coaching in the northeast, but if he can deliver results, he has a personality that I think will attract, no?
Sorry. I hope you're right but I think you are giving him way too much benefit of the doubt. There are only so many viable candidates and they are now gone. He will be forced to beg Smith to stay on short term deal that gives him more runway which Smith will tell him to shove it. The fact that Sitake from BYU is even in the discussion is an example of how far this search is off the rails. The dude has never recruited east of the Rockies! Kraft has set this program back a decade. I hope he enjoys seeing a half empty 110,000 seat stadium like it looked for Nebraska game. What a legacy he is building.
Deboer has a pretty impressive record against top 10 teams as a head coach. I have no idea what Sitake's record would be, but he's probably had far fewer opportunities against top 10 teams as well.
I am no fan of Tomlin (quite the opposite) but I think in his first few years, assuming the collective/NIL was in the right place, he'd kill it at recruiting and getting transfers. And if that were the case, I think he could out-talent enough teams to be 8-4, 9-3 but eventually all the issues with the Steelers would arise--terrible offense and inability to adapt on defense.Agree with your first statement but not Tomlin.6-6 would be generous. More like 5-7 at best.
While I think that Kraft is a clown and hope we see his taillights sooner than later, I disagree on some of the other conclusions here.
A lack of regional ties seems like a minor issue to me- football is football, and money is money. Any semi-intelligent coach will look for a few coaches with the regional ties he lacks, and should do as well recruiting as somebody more regional. And PA connections mean very little today.
A lack of regional ties seems like a minor issue to me- football is football, and money is money. Any semi-intelligent coach will look for a few coaches with the regional ties he lacks, and should do as well recruiting as somebody more regional. And PA connections mean very little today.
Wow! And what in Kraft's past shows he has the ability to get this hire right?
But he is not. The recruits know that. They are not committing until they know who will be there next year.
We will get by. This season we will take more portals.
Hire Sitake, we will definitely have the strongest individual coach in football and that has to count for something.
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I donāt think Deboer is that much better than Sitake but I also donāt think Deboer was ever a legitimate option. Sounds like neither has ties to the NE but Sitake is about as Utah as you can get, similar to the Lea and Key situations, and just doesnāt seem like heād want to move so far away from āhomeā. If he gets the job Iāll certainly get on board.
Chesney is now at UCLA. Kraft will eat that one for years! UCLA will be ahead of us as well.
You're getting a little overdramatic when you declare that the program will be set back a decade and/or we'll see a half empty stadium if we hire a coach that's been very successful and has led his team to the Big 12 Title game (and a potential playoff appearance).
He's obviously not a geographical fit, but with the right staff, I could see him being very successful.
I have no idea as to what's going on, just like everybody else. But I find it hard to believe that anybody could be as dumb as what it appears Kraft might be in the search. He's not a dumb person. He might have gotten caught up in a year when so many coaches have been fired or moved or used the PSU opening as leverage for more money or contract extensions. If that's the case, he's/we're screwed.
But if that's the case and he finds himself without a chair as the music stops, he still has Terry Smith. Now, it seems to me that if Terry is the next coach, it would have been announced yesterday or today. So I don't think it's Terry.
So, we're going to miss the signing day recruiting. There's still a chance for retaining some of our players before the transfer portal
One thing's for sure, we'd better have a good pot of money and some backroom brains to identify players coming available in the portal, or PSU is going to have an awful lot of those $4900/year seats empty in the refurbished stadium.
My hope is on the fact that Kraft is not a dumb person. I hope I'm right
That's too bad as I think he is worth the gamble.
I'll just sit back and wait to see what happens instead of getting hysterical. I'd rather see us get the right guy than rush a hire to save a recruiting class. With the portal and NIL, you can build/rebuild a program pretty quickly. IU went from middling to arguably the 2nd best team in the country in 2 years.
Indy went fron bottom dweller to the top by getting the right coach. That coach brought with him half of the team he came from, James Madison. That made it really hard on his James Madison replacement, Bob Chesney. No problem. Chesney replaced all that talent, without big Portal Dollars, and took James Madison to a 11-1 season. We had a shot at getting Chesney. Born in PA, but decided to go another direction. I hope it's not all going to go South.
No, but it does help that Chesney has done well at all 4 programs he's been at and easily filled in the holes Cignetti created, when he left.
Chesney was the guy but Kraft wiffed. Now going with a guy who has never recruited east of the Rockies. Epic Fail!!
Fair...and if we hired him I'd have been content but, right or wrong, I don't believe he was ever getting this job
I'm thinking he was second option and knew he wasn't getting it.
Actually I hope he makes me out to be the fool but there is no way you make the comments he did at the time Franklin was fired and end with Sitake. No way. Meanwhile Chesney just took the scraps left behind by Cignetti and went 20-5 and the case against him is he might not be able to handle the jump to the Big Ten! He is there and arguable had the same track record of success as Cignetti at all levels. This situation is an epic fail! No way around it.
I'm sure he'll be great in front of the big money donors!
This is a nightmare. Wow.
I don't understand why Sitake makes him a fool but you think Chesney, who's accomplished less at a lower level, is a great hire.
You just want Chesney