I am not patiently waiting for an apology

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

From the national media that said over and over how soft MSU's schedule was. Hey ND... Or any Pac 12 team or BIG whatever team Play this 17'n team every year, follow it up with aTm and LSU, sprinkle in Auburn and Ark, and play a NC contender from the east every now and then and see how easy that path is to the BCS.

Only MSU would get that criticism after playing the teams responsible for 5 of the past 10 BCS champs year in and year out with 7 of the past 10 rotating on when Florida rolls on from the east.

There is to be no bitching about any SEC west teams schedule until someone outside the conference breaks the streak of the SEC.

I am now holding my breath

 

[HueFreeze]

As we look back...

as we went what some say is a dissappointing 8-5, if you can have a disappointing 8 win year at MSU

Teams that beat us
Final ap Rank-Record-Team
1-13/1-Alabama National Champions/SEC Champions
5-11/2- A&M
14-10/3-LSU
17-10/3-Northwestern
NR-7/6-Ole Miss

To this day. under Mullen
Mullen has never lost to a team that didn't make a bowl game.
Teams we have lost to date have a 15-7 record in bowl games
Only 2 teams from non-conference beat teams that beat us, in 2012 ...8-4 Texas(Ole Miss) and 11-2 Clemson(LSU)
The overall record of teams that have beaten Mullen coached MSU teams are 234-60
MSU has lost to 4 SEC Champions
MSU has lost 5 games to either BCS Champions or BCS runners up
Teams that have played vs MSU are 5-2 in BCS games (losses: Arkansas(2010Sugar) and LSU(2011BCS))
5 teams have beaten MSU, that didn't win at least ten games
2009: Arkansas(8); Auburn(8); LSU(9)
2010:
2011: Auburn(8)
2012: Ole Miss(7)
10 win teams: 2009 Houston; 2010: Alabama, Arkansas; 2011: Georgia; 2012: LSU, Northwestern
11 win teams: 2009 GT; 2010: LSU; 2011: Arkansas; South Carolina; 2012: a&m
12 win teams: 2011 Alabama
13 win teams: 2009 Florida; 2011: LSU; 2012: Alabama
14 win teams: 2009 Alabama; 2010 Auburn

 

[FirstPoetsThenSunDoggy]

Terriffic rundown. Just disappointed that we haven't risen above ourselves yet. But your analysis clearly shows what we're up against. Mullen has to keep fighting, and we have to be there with him.

Some of the hype we created backfired on us when we didn't perform in its spotlight. I'd like to see the marketting department back off and let our coaches coach football and let our players concentrate on playing football.

 

[maroonmania]

As most have said over and over again this year the disappointment was NOT....

as we went what some say is a dissappointing 8-5, if you can have a disappointing 8 win year at MSUTeams that beat usFinal ap Rank-Record-Team1-13/1-Alabama National Champions/SEC Champions5-11/2- A&M14-10/3-LSU17-10/3-NorthwesternNR-7/6-Ole MissTo this day. under MullenMullen has never lost to a team that didn't make a bowl game.Teams we have lost to date have a 15-7 record in bowl gamesOnly 2 teams from non-conference beat teams that beat us, in 2012 ...8-4 Texas(Ole Miss) and 11-2 Clemson(LSU)The overall record of teams that have beaten Mullen coached MSU teams are 234-60MSU has lost to 4 SEC ChampionsMSU has lost 5 games to either BCS Champions or BCS runners upTeams that have played vs MSU are 5-2 in BCS games (losses: Arkansas(2010Sugar) and LSU(2011BCS))5 teams have beaten MSU, that didn't win at least ten games2009: Arkansas(8); Auburn(8); LSU(9)2010: 2011: Auburn(8)2012: Ole Miss(7)10 win teams: 2009 Houston; 2010: Alabama, Arkansas; 2011: Georgia; 2012: LSU, Northwestern11 win teams: 2009 GT; 2010: LSU; 2011: Arkansas; South Carolina; 2012: a&m12 win teams: 2011 Alabama13 win teams: 2009 Florida; 2011: LSU; 2012: Alabama14 win teams: 2009 Alabama; 2010 Auburn

in the games we lost but in HOW we lost. We were beaten by double digits by every decent team we played this year and most were not even in doubt by the 4th quarter. Its admirable that Mullen isn't losing to teams he shouldn't but we have got to get more competitive with "good" teams for our program to get any better. It will be rare playing in the SEC that we have as many bad teams on our schedule as we had this year.

 

[HueFreeze]

I get mad and I don't understandy why Mullen doesn't go into some games trying to win, rather than not trying to lose.

Of the 22 losses, we were in more than half. So, at least 10 we really had no chance we should have been doing every in our power to put the pressure on the opposing teams rather than saying we just want to keep it close and make something happen in the 4th ...but I have to remind myself at least we are losing to the bad teams, we are still building. After this year though the foundation is set, we have depth it is time to take on more risk and lets see if we can move the needle with some of the higher profile recruits. I honestly believe Mullen chose not to go all in with some higher talented guys in order to just take certain position players to help build and establish depth

 

[patdog]

Was thinking last night when they were talking about how Notre Dame had played a tough schedule that I would love for MSU to ever get to play a schedule like that.

 

[Spidey.sixpack]

in the games we lost but in HOW we lost. We were beaten by double digits by every decent team we played this year and most were not even in doubt by the 4th quarter. Its admirable that Mullen isn't losing to teams he shouldn't but we have got to get more competitive with "good" teams for our program to get any better. It will be rare playing in the SEC that we have as many bad teams on our schedule as we had this year.

I agree. But we need to consistently beat mid level SEC teams (Tennessee, Auburn, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Missouri, and Vanderbilt), who are on our level; before we can begin beating the upper tier SEC teams. (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, A&M) I really want us to start a streak of victories over Auburn and Arkansas. I believe that will bring us more success.

 

[maroonmania]

True, but we are not really even there yet apparently...

I agree. But we need to consistently beat mid level SEC teams (Tennessee, Auburn, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Missouri, and Vanderbilt), who are on our level; before we can begin beating the upper tier SEC teams. (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, A&M) I really want us to start a streak of victories over Auburn and Arkansas. I believe that will bring us more success.

we did beat Auburn, Arkansas and Tennessee this year but none of those teams were even mid level this year. Besides KY those were the WORST teams in the SEC this year. And we would NOT have beaten Vandy this year so its good we didn't play them. Really the only SEC team we might have beaten this year that we didn't play was Missouri.

 

[SkullCandy.sixpack]

Good work, HueFreeze! I don't think any SEC team needs to make apologies for its strength of schedule. but my only second guessing of the scheduling would be should the NC teams be so bad that it doesn't allow the team to get in quality game time? I just can't see where playing USA, and JSU get you ready for the size/speed of an SEC team. There are a whole lot of beatable teams we could play that would at least add some polish. Pitt comes to mind, along with most of the Big East. Still better than the SWAC.

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

According to Sagarin, MSU played the weakest SEC schedule and had a schedule strength ranking of 49. Teams that had a higher SOS include: Notre Dame, UCLA, Syracuse, and Georgia Tech.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm

 

[maroonmania]

Sagarin doesn't mean crap...

According to Sagarin, MSU played the weakest SEC schedule and had a schedule strength ranking of 49. Teams that had a higher SOS include: Notre Dame, UCLA, Syracuse, and Georgia Tech.http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm

we played Bama and A&M (obviously the best 2 teams in the country) and LSU while NONE of those 4 teams you listed played ANY of them. SOS rankings are often bogus because, for example, they consider playing the #1 and #100 teams equivalent to playing the #50 and #51 teams which is bogus. Most every team is going 1-1 against the first set of teams where a whole LOT of teams would go 2-0 against the second set. Just another reason the basketball RPI can be manipulated by making sure you don't play any teams below 250 in the RPI to drag you down even though there are plenty of easy teams to beat between 150 and 250. I will admit though that we were fortunate that TN and KY were both down this year. Obviously that helped our record.

 

[dawgstudent]

I wish we would continue that type of scheduling.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

And that's why we were just talkin about this year isn't it dipshit?

It's not our 17'n fault auburn and Arkansas sucked it up this year and TN is down. Piss on em. We are not going to apoligize for their down year.

 

[ckDOG]

We were sniffing Top 10 BCS after completing the weakest part of it as well.

Anyone that picks on our schedule is just grasping at ways to get shots in at the SEC. Had we gone undefeated, our schedule would have been strong enough to get us into the NC game. If you can say that about your schedule, it's tough enough. Screw everyone else.

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

And no one is going to apologize for saying you had a weak schedule when you had the weakest schedule in the SEC.

You do recall your original post, right? The media should apologize for saying you played a weak schedule? Now, you're admitting that it was a weak schedule, but saying it's not your fault. I agree with your second point, dipshit.

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

At the time you were sniffing that top 10 ranking, you had played a schedule which was ranked over 120, almost outside of BCS Division rankings. You had to play the rest of the SEC to move your schedule from outside the top 100 into the top 50, while the rest of the SEC played inside, or close to, the top 50 all year long.

The original argument was that people should apologize for saying that you had a weak schedule. You had the weakest SEC schedule.

 

[maroonmania]

Agree that playing JSU and USA in the same year was weak but...

Good work, HueFreeze! I don't think any SEC team needs to make apologies for its strength of schedule. but my only second guessing of the scheduling would be should the NC teams be so bad that it doesn't allow the team to get in quality game time? I just can't see where playing USA, and JSU get you ready for the size/speed of an SEC team. There are a whole lot of beatable teams we could play that would at least add some polish. Pitt comes to mind, along with most of the Big East. Still better than the SWAC.

given our situation and finances we have limited options if we want to keep playing 7 home games. I don't mind playing 3 junk teams if we could keep one home and home going with a mid-level BCS school. Will mention those that OK State to me is well above a mid-level BCS team at this point. Heck, 2 years ago they just missed being in the BCS NC game.

 

[ckDOG]

I acknowledge it was weak.

At the time you were sniffing that top 10 ranking, you had played a schedule which was ranked over 120, almost outside of BCS Division rankings. You had to play the rest of the SEC to move your schedule from outside the top 100 into the top 50, while the rest of the SEC played inside, or close to, the top 50 all year long.

The original argument was that people should apologize for saying that you had a weak schedule. You had the weakest SEC schedule.

And it doesn't bother me in the least. Why beef it up if getting through the weakest part of your schedule 7-0 gets you just outside the top 10 or wherever it is we were? When it's all said and done, our complete schedule is plenty tough enough to achieve the desired result if you win the games.

My opinion probably doesn't fit in well with the context of the original point. I just get fired up when anyone picks on us for a SOS number. The way I see it, there is no reason making it any tougher on ourselves when we don't have to. SOS is simply a d!-k measuring contest for the idiots on the SEC Rant and the media members that hate the SEC.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

Awwww the assigned rebel board monitor from Nafoom for mid day today got his thong yanked up his crack.

If you will read and actually comprehend, My post said that we played the teams responsible for 5 of the past 10 BCS champs. That is on the schedule. We are not at fault for some of them sucking it up. But those teams are ON THE SCHEDULE. THEY ARE ON OUR SCHEDULE. Name any other team in another conference that does that. Just one.

 

[jacksonreb]

i think it funny that some ole miss people don't get this. they get all in a wad about not "worrying about msu" but miss the point that we have to do exactly what spidy said msu needs to do before we're going to actually compete with the bama, lsux's, uga's etc. got to walk before you run.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

We were sniffing Top 10 BCS after completing the weakest part of it as well. Anyone that picks on our schedule is just grasping at ways to get shots in at the SEC. Had we gone undefeated, our schedule would have been strong enough to get us into the NC game. If you can say that about your schedule, it's tough enough. Screw everyone else.

dude, we were 7-0 and buried outside the top 10 behind teams already with an L and down around undefeated big east teams. if you win a bunch of games, inevitably you'll climb the rankings, it's just the nature of the beast. being 7-0 after playing the weakest part of our schedule and still ranked outside the BCS top 10 illustrates how weak the first half of our schedule was.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

Was thinking last night when they were talking about how Notre Dame had played a tough schedule that I would love for MSU to ever get to play a schedule like that.

What do you think your record would have been with their schedule?

Keep in mind that ND played 9 bowl teams and Miami (who won 7 this year, but didn't bowl due to sanctions). Also keep in mind that you lost to the Big 10's 5th best team.

 

[johnson86-1]

Our schedule wasn't weak. Notre Dame would have gone at best 10-2 against it. Could have gone 9-3 depending on which LSU team they played and possibly 8-4 based on the scare Pitt gave them.

Our schedule was bipolar. The only middling team on it was basically Ole Miss. So a team could have been a lot better than us and had at most one more win. Or if they had a bad day at the wrong time against Arkansas or UM, a team could have been much better than us and had the same record.

You can talk about State not beating anybody good and losing to a mediocre Ole Miss team, but the problem wasn't our schedule. The problem is we didn't show up against A&M, Bama, UM, and NW. If you ask ND whether they'd rather have their schedule or ours, no doubt they'd prefer theirs. That's a pretty good indication that our schedule wasn't weak.

 

[Rutherford B. Hayes]

Come back in 50 years

Of all SEC teams, who has played Alabama the most? MSU
Of all SEC teams, who has played Alabama the least of the 10 tradional SEC teams? Umiss

Of all SEC teams, who has played Vandy the most? Umiss
Of all SEC teams, who has played Vandy the least of the 10 traditional SEC teams? MSU

Give us 75 years of easy schedules like you, and then come whine.
The Bears have built their entire history from easy schedules.

 

[johnson86-1]

Exactly. This year our schedule worked out great for us because we apparently needed the cupcakes. But with, say the 2010 MSU team, I'd much rather a schedule with a bunch of weaker bowl teams and not 3 top 15 teams mixed in with cupcakes.

 

[gptdawg]

This X 1000. Remember when they dodged Alabama and Florida every year and when they did play Alabama , it did not count in SEC standings??

 

[ckDOG]

I'M NOT SAYING IT WASN'T WEAK

dude, we were 7-0 and buried outside the top 10 behind teams already with an L and down around undefeated big east teams. if you win a bunch of games, inevitably you'll climb the rankings, it's just the nature of the beast. being 7-0 after playing the weakest part of our schedule and still ranked outside the BCS top 10 illustrates how weak the first half of our schedule was.

I'm saying it doesn't matter if it was weak. If we win the games on our "******" schedule, we will be rewarded. Therefore, it's pointless to give us any **** for it being comparatively weak. There were 10 undefeated teams in the BCS rankings at that point in time. We were ranked 11th. Teams with 1 loss ranked ahead of us were LSU, Oklahoma, USC, and UGA. The point is, even after a craptastic front part of the schedule, we were still in a position to be in a position to go to the NC if we won out or be in a BCS bowl if we lost 1. Despite it being weaker than others in the upper echelon, it's still good enough to get you in. Why would we want to make it any tougher on ourselves outside of winning a moral victory argument during the off-season?

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

What does anything I said have to do with Ole Miss? Can anybody on this board stay on topic?

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

Can't argue with that logic.

 

[Rutherford B. Hayes]

It's called Cause and Effect. How many posts to you have on the Missouri board?

Bears camp out on MSU boards, and make all these passive/agressive attacks on MSU and throw their hands up and say, "I didn't bring the Bears!"

Like we are supposed to believe that you camp out on the Missouri and South Carolina boards too.

 

[sickasadawg]

At the time you were sniffing that top 10 ranking, you had played a schedule which was ranked over 120, almost outside of BCS Division rankings.

LIE! What makes you think you can come over here and get away with it?

If this was true the BCS rankings wouldn't have been number 12, stupid rebel dipshit!

 

[sickasadawg]

12 - 0! They looked worse than when we played Alabama at their home stadium!

 

[sickasadawg]

FormerlyHighLifeRebel!

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

As of October 20, 2012, the Sagarin Schedule Rankings for each SEC team were as follows: : Missouri (1), Vanderbilt (3), Auburn (4), Kentucky (5), Florida (16), USC (19), Arkansas (20), TAMU (22), Tennessee (26), Alabama (32), Ole Miss (42), LSU (54), Georgia (55), and MSU (126).

ETA: Making it clear that this was the schedule ranking, not the actual ranking.

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

In fact, just one week after MSU played the best team in the country, Alabama, it only pulled your Sagarin Ranking into the top 100.

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...e-play-a-cupcake-schedule&p=788147#post788147

 

[SnakePlissken]

we did beat Auburn, Arkansas and Tennessee this year but none of those teams were even mid level this year. Besides KY those were the WORST teams in the SEC this year

the key words in yourc omments are THIS YEAR. Overall these are mid level programs that simply stumbled. No matter how good or bad a single season, we MUST beat these mid level programs.

I think we get a chance to see if we've made progress this fall when we play Auburn and Arkansas with their new staffs.