I dont think it is just that we are losing games to

[TruWVblu]

top teams that is upsetting to many, but the fact that we now expect to lose those games, and how we are losing them. I have read thread after thread of even those who are supportive of Holgorsen, saying that we should have expected to lose the last four games. That is hard to accept as far as I am concerned. I am fully aware that the Big 12 is a very tough conference and conference championships will be few and far between, but we should always have reason to believe we can win these games.

Also, under Holgorsen, we have lost 12 games by 20 or more points, with 6 of those being over 30 point loses. We have appeared very unprepared and undisciplined in many games over the past 5 years. By the way, Stewart only lost one game by over 20 points. And before you chalk all of that up to the excuse of stronger opponents, which is a cop out in my opinion, two of those 20+ loses came at the hands of Syracuse and one to Maryland, teams that Stewart played every year. I only compare his tenure to Stewart's because many of you like to bash Stewart every chance you get.

I am not trying to bash anyone who supports Holgorsen. We should all have hoped he would be successful. Like many have said, it is risky replacing coaches, as you never know how things will go, but there comes a time when that change needs to take place. In my opinion, when a fan base begins to expect to lose to four of the conference teams and hangs their hopes to wins in their final five games in a coaches 5th season, just to become mediocre, that time has come.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

top teams that is upsetting to many, but the fact that we now expect to lose those games, and how we are losing them. I have read thread after thread of even those who are supportive of Holgorsen, saying that we should have expected to lose the last four games. That is hard to accept as far as I am concerned. I am fully aware that the Big 12 is a very tough conference and conference championships will be few and far between, but we should always have reason to believe we can win these games.

Also, under Holgorsen, we have lost 12 games by 20 or more points, with 6 of those being over 30 point loses. We have appeared very unprepared and undisciplined in many games over the past 5 years. By the way, Stewart only lost one game by over 20 points. And before you chalk all of that up to the excuse of stronger opponents, which is a cop out in my opinion, two of those 20+ loses came at the hands of Syracuse and one to Maryland, teams that Stewart played every year. I only compare his tenure to Stewart's because many of you like to bash Stewart every chance you get.

I am not trying to bash anyone who supports Holgorsen. We should all have hoped he would be successful. Like many have said, it is risky replacing coaches, as you never know how things will go, but there comes a time when that change needs to take place. In my opinion, when a fan base begins to expect to lose to four of the conference teams and hangs their hopes to wins in their final five games in a coaches 5th season, just to become mediocre, that time has come.

So when WVU was losing to Penn State for 35 straight seasons you expected us to win those games year after year?

We can have this discussion again next week when you post the same exact thing, like you always do - like clock work baby.

 

[TruWVblu]

So when WVU was losing to Penn State for 35 straight seasons you expected us to win those games year after year?

We can have this discussion again next week when you post the same exact thing, like you always do - like clock work baby.

Your response did not even come close to explaining the amount of lopsided loses we have had under Holgorsen or address the real issue, as usual...like clock work baby.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Your response did not even come close to explaining the amount of lopsided loses we have had under Holgorsen or address the real issue, as usual...like clock work baby.

I think it's admirable you always expected to beat PSU over 3 decades without it happening, or the top Miami teams we faced in the Big East. Most of TCU's/Baylor's victories are lopsided - they put up massive points on nearly everyone. The Oklahoma games was close, then they busted that big run. OK State went into overtime and if you didn't noticed they put up 70 on TT this past weekend.

When you play teams totally capable of putting up 70+ points in a game, you'll see some lopsided turnouts. If Baylor didn't pull starters and ease things up, no doubt they could score 100 against some opponents. If you turn the ball over against these teams, they'll make you pay for it.

Face it, during the Big East we never played teams capable for scoring 70. Pitt certainly couldn't, nor Cuse, USF, UConn, or Cincinnati. Even the great VT/Miami were mostly incapable of doing it.Most of those teams couldn't get out of their own way offensively. Louisville under Petrino had some serious firepower, but nothing like we are seeing now.

And of course, if you took a look around college football you'd see blowouts aren't uncommon. Teams run enormous amounts of plays and snap the ball at record pace. That equals more points. Sometimes you're on the wrong end of that, sometimes you dish it out.

The biggest reason for the blowouts is WVU hasn't been very good the last few years. I'm not blind to that. I just don't feel compelled to write it over, and over, and over again - like some people.

I'll copy and paste your original message, and next week I'll just post it for you and save you some time.

 

[TruWVblu]

I think it's admirable you always expected to beat PSU over 3 decades without it happening, or the top Miami teams we faced in the Big East. Most of TCU's/Baylor's victories are lopsided - they put up massive points on nearly everyone. The Oklahoma games was close, then they busted that big run. OK State went into overtime and if you didn't noticed they put up 70 on TT this past weekend.

When you play teams totally capable of putting up 70+ points in a game, you'll see some lopsided turnouts. If Baylor didn't pull starters and ease things up, no doubt they could score 100 against some opponents. If you turn the ball over against these teams, they'll make you pay for it.

Face it, during the Big East we never played teams capable for scoring 70. Pitt certainly couldn't, nor Cuse, USF, UConn, or Cincinnati. Even the great VT/Miami were mostly incapable of doing it.Most of those teams couldn't get out of their own way offensively. Louisville under Petrino had some serious firepower, but nothing like we are seeing now.

And of course, if you took a look around college football you'd see blowouts aren't uncommon. Teams run enormous amounts of plays and snap the ball at record pace. That equals more points. Sometimes you're on the wrong end of that, sometimes you dish it out.

The biggest reason for the blowouts is WVU hasn't been very good the last few years. I'm not blind to that. I just don't feel compelled to write it over, and over, and over again - like some people.

I'll copy and paste your original message, and next week I'll just post it for you and save you some time.

I guess you are already conceding a loss this week. That is very telling.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

top teams that is upsetting to many, but the fact that we now expect to lose those games, and how we are losing them. I have read thread after thread of even those who are supportive of Holgorsen, saying that we should have expected to lose the last four games. That is hard to accept as far as I am concerned. I am fully aware that the Big 12 is a very tough conference and conference championships will be few and far between, but we should always have reason to believe we can win these games.

Also, under Holgorsen, we have lost 12 games by 20 or more points, with 6 of those being over 30 point loses. We have appeared very unprepared and undisciplined in many games over the past 5 years. By the way, Stewart only lost one game by over 20 points. And before you chalk all of that up to the excuse of stronger opponents, which is a cop out in my opinion, two of those 20+ loses came at the hands of Syracuse and one to Maryland, teams that Stewart played every year. I only compare his tenure to Stewart's because many of you like to bash Stewart every chance you get.

I am not trying to bash anyone who supports Holgorsen. We should all have hoped he would be successful. Like many have said, it is risky replacing coaches, as you never know how things will go, but there comes a time when that change needs to take place. In my opinion, when a fan base begins to expect to lose to four of the conference teams and hangs their hopes to wins in their final five games in a coaches 5th season, just to become mediocre, that time has come.

syracuse beat stewie as well. As darth told you, the competition is much greater than Wvu has ever faced. Instead of facing a Miami once a year, we are now facing the equivalent of 4-5 miami's per year. And before you get your panties in a bunch, Nehlen couldn't beat that 1 Miami 99% of the time either. Or as darth put it to your pickled brain, we couldn't beat penn state for 35 years. Now we play about 4-5 Penn States per year. Those lower end of the big 12 teams are the equivalent of the VT, Syracuse teams of the 90's. Get the picture? I know, with you it's unlikely lol. As I said before, stewie would be slapped around like a rag doll playing this conference. I would venture to say an annual beating outcome of 1-11 or 2-10 records.

 

[TruWVblu]

syracuse beat stewie as well. As darth told you, the competition is much greater than Wvu has ever faced. Instead of facing a Miami once a year, we are now facing the equivalent of 4-5 miami's per year. And before you get your panties in a bunch, Nehlen couldn't beat that 1 Miami 99% of the time either. Or as darth put it to your pickled brain, we couldn't beat penn state for 35 years. Now we play about 4-5 Penn States per year. Those lower end of the big 12 teams are the equivalent of the VT, Syracuse teams of the 90's. Get the picture? I know, with you it's unlikely lol. As I said before, stewie would be slapped around like a rag doll playing this conference. I would venture to say an annual beating outcome of 1-11 or 2-10 records.

You know as much about how Stewart would do in the Big 12 as I did about how WVU would do in the AAC. It is all conjecture, yet you speak like your word is gospel. I assure you, it is not.

 

[WESTBGVA]

You know as much about how Stewart would do in the Big 12 as I did about how WVU would do in the AAC. It is all conjecture, yet you speak like your word is gospel. I assure you, it is not.

one thing that bothers me, at this point in the season is that this team has no identity..by that I mean what do we do well enough to keep us in the game with a chance to win in the fourth qtr?....I admire how Temple plays.. play to their strength.. what is our strength?..we do the same stuff every game win or lose..

 

[Orlaco]

Can someone provide an excuse for the end of the first half against TCU ?

If you don't understand the question....no need to reply.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

You know as much about how Stewart would do in the Big 12 as I did about how WVU would do in the AAC. It is all conjecture, yet you speak like your word is gospel. I assure you, it is not.

lord lol. With about 55-60 scholarship players it's common sense he would be throttled. And Mullen as OC in the big 12? Hilarious.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I guess you are already conceding a loss this week. That is very telling.

I never mentioned next week's game, so I'm not sure what you're talking about (and neither do you). If you wanted to talk about the game, just ask.

I happen to think we will win next week. Then you'll make a post complaining it wasn't by wide enough margin, or that you didn't like the color of Dana's shirt.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I wish we could go back to the good ol' days, like when we'd only lose to powerhouses like ECU and Colorado.

 

[wvpaper]

I wish we could go back to the good ol' days, like when we'd only lose to powerhouses like ECU and Colorado.

lol. i'll see your ecu and colorado and raise you...

Nov. 16, 2013 at Kansas (FSN) L 31-19 4-7 (2-6)
Nov. 30, 2013 Iowa State L 52-44 4-8 (2-7)

 

[Darth_VadEER]

lol. i'll see your ecu and colorado and raise you...

Nov. 16, 2013 at Kansas (FSN) L 31-19 4-7 (2-6)
Nov. 30, 2013 Iowa State L 52-44 4-8 (2-7)

So basically you're saying we are just like the 95% of other college football teams and lose games sometimes when we shouldnt?

 

[wvpaper]

lol. another keaton wannabe. spinster.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

lol. another keaton wannabe. spinster.

When we played a soft schedule, we still dropped games (and that was a good team that lost to ECU/Colorado). Now that we are playing a very tough one, it's not surprising that we are losing more, imo.

 

[wvpaper]

Oct. 13, 2012 at Texas Tech (ABC) L 49-14 5-1 (2-1)
Oct. 20, 2012 Kansas State L 55-14 5-2 (2-2)
Nov. 3, 2012 TCU L 39-38 5-3 (2-3)
Nov. 10, 2012 at OK State (ABC) L 55-34 5-4 (2-4)
Nov. 17, 2012 Oklahoma L 50-49 5-5 (2-5)

Dec. 29, 2012 at Syracuse (ESPN) L 38-14 7-6


lol

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Oct. 13, 2012 at Texas Tech (ABC) L 49-14 5-1 (2-1)
Oct. 20, 2012 Kansas State L 55-14 5-2 (2-2)
Nov. 3, 2012 TCU L 39-38 5-3 (2-3)
Nov. 10, 2012 at OK State (ABC) L 55-34 5-4 (2-4)
Nov. 17, 2012 Oklahoma L 50-49 5-5 (2-5)

Dec. 29, 2012 at Syracuse (ESPN) L 38-14 7-6


lol

I know, we should have won all those games.

 

[wvpaper]

I know, we should have won all those games.

how about one of them?

just admit it, we're losing to bad teams. and we've played on one at the level of the psu teams from the early 80's.


1982 Joe Paterno AP, Coaches 11–1 Won Sugar
1986 Joe Paterno AP, Coaches 12–0 Won Fiesta
Total National Titles 2

 

[Darth_VadEER]

how about one of them?

just admit it, we're losing to bad teams. and we've played on one at the level of the psu teams from the early 80's.

We haven't lost to a bad team this season. All ranked opponents, 32-1 overall record. We didn't lose to a bad team last year, unless you count Texas (I dont).

Hard to totally judge this year's team yet.

 

[WESTBGVA]

lord lol. With about 55-60 scholarship players it's common sense he would be throttled. And Mullen as OC in the big 12? Hilarious.

we have never been that low..it's already been proven..over and over..I'll type slow so you'll understand..go to the official MSN rosters...count with your fingers and toes the number of players on scholarship for each season in question...quit lying.

 

[wvpaper]

We haven't lost to a bad team this season. All ranked opponents, 32-1 overall record. We didn't lose to a bad team last year, unless you count Texas (I dont).

Hard to totally judge this year's team yet.

2014 texas was 6-8. and wvu was their best win. yeh, texas was bad last year.

we have 5 bad teams left to play. and we're in dana collaspe season.

 

[WESTBGVA]

I wish we could go back to the good ol' days, like when we'd only lose to powerhouses like ECU and Colorado.

ECU had a very good team that year...the best two D tackles we faced. both went to the NFL and still play L Joseph (Raiders) and C J Wilson.who started for the Packers and still plays in the NFL..they lost 12 starters to injuries and still won 8 games.

 

[Mtman 69]

Anyway you spin it, losing is losing and the time frame is now......

 

[Darth_VadEER]

2014 texas was 6-8. and wvu was their best win. yeh, texas was bad last year.

we have 5 bad teams left to play. and we're in dana collaspe season.

Times sure have changed. Losing to Texas in Austin is now a bad loss worthy of termination.

Texas beat TT, WVU, and Oklahoma State last year. If we had a healthy Trickett, I think we win that one.

I don't think TT is bad this year. Their loses are to the same teams ours are too.

 

[WESTBGVA]

Anyway you spin it, losing is losing and the time frame is now......

looks we're losing to the New England Patriots every week..I feel so much better..

 

[Darth_VadEER]

looks we're losing to the New England Patriots every week..I feel so much better..

No, just to the top teams in college football.

 

[WESTBGVA]

We haven't lost to a bad team this season. All ranked opponents, 32-1 overall record. We didn't lose to a bad team last year, unless you count Texas (I dont).

Hard to totally judge this year's team yet.

wonderful..so we ball wash the teams who beat our *** in order to justify the crap we've all witnessed on the field..

 

[WESTBGVA]

No, just to the top teams in college football.

if a team in this league makes the playoff I'll be surprised.TCU will play OK St, Ok, and has Baylor @ home..I look for all of these teams to lose at least one game.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

if a team in this league makes the playoff I'll be surprised.TCU will play OK St, Ok, and has Baylor @ home..I look for all of these teams to lose at least one game.

You're right. Very hard conference. So many good teams, tough schedules.

 

[WESTBGVA]

You're right. Very hard conference. So many good teams, tough schedules.

since we blew out Clemson in the Orange Bowl they have gone 11-2, 11-2, 10-3, and are undefeated this yr and ranked #3....WVU has gone a different direction..

 

[WESTBGVA]

that

You're right. Very hard conference. So many good teams, tough schedules.

and that's the same crap I heard in basketball last year, when the best two teams in the league were knocked the hell out in the first round of the NCAA's by a Mike Tyson punch..it was actually comical

 

[Darth_VadEER]

since we blew out Clemson in the Orange Bowl they have gone 11-2, 11-2, 10-3, and are undefeated this yr and ranked #3....WVU has gone a different direction..

Yes. We left the Big East the following season and entered the B12 with a brutal schedule. Clemson is having a good run. Although I wonder what our record would be in the ACC over the last few years. Looking at Pitt's schedule, we might be undefeated - toughest game was Iowa.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

that
and that's the same crap I heard in basketball last year, when the best two teams in the league were knocked the hell out in the first round of the NCAA's by a Mike Tyson punch..it was actually comical

Yep - Upsets are common in the NCAA tournament.

 

[WESTBGVA]

Yep - Upsets are common in the NCAA tournament.

no way..both Baylor and Iowa St were 3 seeds..they both lost to 14 seeds..that rarely happens..I didn't even know who GA St was...gimme some more of that SOS and RPI bullcrap..I love it.

 

[GoWVU]

I wish we could go back to the good ol' days, like when we'd only lose to powerhouses like ECU and Colorado.

I expect Keaton to trade in these sorts of falsehoods, Darth, but I thought you were a little smarter than that.

Why do people keep trotting out a 3-point loss to a 5-7 Big 12 team as "evidence" Stewart sucked, but never seem to mention losing to TWO 3-9 Big 12 teams by 12 and 8 points as evidence Holgorsen sucks?

East Carolina was 9-5 that year, won Conference USA, and defeated the ACC and Orange Bowl champion Hokies in addition to us. The Buffaloes and Pirates may not have been powerhouses, but they each beat at least one other team with a winning record that year besides us so they clearly weren't as terrible as the false narrative keeps propagating.

It's the same dishonest mentality seen elsewhere on this thread that derisively mentions Stewart losing to Syracuse, but which conveniently omits the fact Stewart lost by just 5 to an 8-5 Orange team while Holgorsen lost by 26 to a 5-7 Orange team and again by 24 to an 8-5 Orange team.

I don't mind if someone wants to criticize Stewart on the facts, there is certainly some room. What needs to stop is the outright deception, lies, and whitewashing of Holgorsen's inconvenient results in order to make that case.

The reality is Nehlen, RR, and Stewart never once lost to a team worse than 4-7 in 31 combined seasons as our head coaches. Holgorsen already had lost to two 3-9 creampuffs who beat NOBODY all year by the end of his third season.

And, yes, Texas was bad last year. They finished with a losing record (6-7), which is as good a definition as any.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

top teams that is upsetting to many, but the fact that we now expect to lose those games, and how we are losing them. I have read thread after thread of even those who are supportive of Holgorsen, saying that we should have expected to lose the last four games. That is hard to accept as far as I am concerned. I am fully aware that the Big 12 is a very tough conference and conference championships will be few and far between, but we should always have reason to believe we can win these games.

Also, under Holgorsen, we have lost 12 games by 20 or more points, with 6 of those being over 30 point loses. We have appeared very unprepared and undisciplined in many games over the past 5 years. By the way, Stewart only lost one game by over 20 points. And before you chalk all of that up to the excuse of stronger opponents, which is a cop out in my opinion, two of those 20+ loses came at the hands of Syracuse and one to Maryland, teams that Stewart played every year. I only compare his tenure to Stewart's because many of you like to bash Stewart every chance you get.

I am not trying to bash anyone who supports Holgorsen. We should all have hoped he would be successful. Like many have said, it is risky replacing coaches, as you never know how things will go, but there comes a time when that change needs to take place. In my opinion, when a fan base begins to expect to lose to four of the conference teams and hangs their hopes to wins in their final five games in a coaches 5th season, just to become mediocre, that time has come.

Whenever someone says they are trying not to disparage someone, they usually then proceed to disparage that person. I am not so sure that there were many people in our fan base who thought that we would beat Miami or Penn State when we played them - and we almost never did.

College football has changed with spread offenses and 30+ more offensive plays per games so naturally the scores are going to be higher along with the margin of victories or losses.

Some fans think that RR would be able to get us a Big 12 championship. Some fans think that Stewart would have been able to get us a Big 12 championship. And other think that Holgorsen will eventually get us a Big 12 championship ( I am in the last camp ).

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I expect Keaton to trade in these sorts of falsehoods, Darth, but I thought you were a little smarter than that.

Why do people keep trotting out a 3-point loss to a 5-7 Big 12 team as "evidence" Stewart sucked, but never seem to mention losing to TWO 3-9 Big 12 teams by 12 and 8 points as evidence Holgorsen sucks?

East Carolina was 9-5 that year, won Conference USA, and defeated the ACC and Orange Bowl champion Hokies in addition to us. The Buffaloes and Pirates may not have been powerhouses, but they each beat at least one other team with a winning record that year besides us so they clearly weren't as terrible as the false narrative keeps propagating.

It's the same dishonest mentality seen elsewhere on this thread that derisively mentions Stewart losing to Syracuse, but which conveniently omits the fact Stewart lost by just 5 to an 8-5 Orange team while Holgorsen lost by 26 to a 5-7 Orange team and again by 24 to an 8-5 Orange team.

I don't mind if someone wants to criticize Stewart on the facts, there is certainly some room. What needs to stop is the outright deception, lies, and whitewashing of Holgorsen's inconvenient results in order to make that case.

The reality is Nehlen, RR, and Stewart never once lost to a team worse than 4-7 in 31 combined seasons as our head coaches. Holgorsen already had lost to two 3-9 creampuffs who beat NOBODY all year by the end of his third season.

And, yes, Texas was bad last year. They finished with a losing record (6-7), which is as good a definition as any.

its because that 2008 Wvu team was preseason #8 in the damn country. Led by pat white and Noel Devine. Stewie destroyed the season.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I expect Keaton to trade in these sorts of falsehoods, Darth, but I thought you were a little smarter than that.

Why do people keep trotting out a 3-point loss to a 5-7 Big 12 team as "evidence" Stewart sucked, but never seem to mention losing to TWO 3-9 Big 12 teams by 12 and 8 points as evidence Holgorsen sucks?

East Carolina was 9-5 that year, won Conference USA, and defeated the ACC and Orange Bowl champion Hokies in addition to us. The Buffaloes and Pirates may not have been powerhouses, but they each beat at least one other team with a winning record that year besides us so they clearly weren't as terrible as the false narrative keeps propagating.

It's the same dishonest mentality seen elsewhere on this thread that derisively mentions Stewart losing to Syracuse, but which conveniently omits the fact Stewart lost by just 5 to an 8-5 Orange team while Holgorsen lost by 26 to a 5-7 Orange team and again by 24 to an 8-5 Orange team.

I don't mind if someone wants to criticize Stewart on the facts, there is certainly some room. What needs to stop is the outright deception, lies, and whitewashing of Holgorsen's inconvenient results in order to make that case.

The reality is Nehlen, RR, and Stewart never once lost to a team worse than 4-7 in 31 combined seasons as our head coaches. Holgorsen already had lost to two 3-9 creampuffs who beat NOBODY all year by the end of his third season.

And, yes, Texas was bad last year. They finished with a losing record (6-7), which is as good a definition as any.

LOL - Talk about being dishonest. Senior QB Pat White. Loaded offense with playmaker Noel Devine. #8 ranked team in the country.

Smoked by CUSA ECU.

But Dana should beat back-to-back Top 5 teams along with two other Top 15 teams.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

The reality is Nehlen, RR, and Stewart never once lost to a team worse than 4-7 in 31 combined seasons as our head coaches. Holgorsen already had lost to two 3-9 creampuffs who beat NOBODY all year by the end of his third season.
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The reality is that Nehlen never once lost to a team worse than 4-7 as our head coaches, but he did finish 4-7 three times as our head coach. Plus he went 15 years with out a Bowl win. Talk about selective statistics. LOL.