I dont think it is just that we are losing games to

[GoWVU]

Exactly what I was talking about, and you guys couldn't wait to step right into the trap.

So a #8 preseason ranking before any games were played "proves" we had a great team in 2008 when it's convenient to slam Stewart for losing to a 9-5 C-USA champ or a 5-7 Big 12 team by 3?

Then make sure you hypocrites also slam Holgorsen for losing to a 5-7 Big Least team by 26 in 2011 when he did so with an Orange Bowl-winning team that finished #17/18 in the final polls...you know, the ones that actually matter.

Don't forget to slam Holgorsen as well for taking the preseason #11 team with a loaded offense including senior QB Geno Smith and 2 future NFL WRs all the way to an unranked 7-6 finish in 2012 (including another 24-point beatdown from a Big Least team that you love to badmouth so much), since those almighty preseason rankings "proves" how great the roster was.

Matter of fact, that team even climbed to #5 in the polls after over a month of games, which is even higher than Stewart's team! Guess that doesn't "prove" how great that roster was, though, since it was Holgorsen on the hook, huh? Funny how you double-standard guys never like mentioning these other examples, isn't it?

At least Stewart's 2008 team actually finished #23 in the final AP poll that year instead of unranked like Holgorsen's 2012 squad.

"But Dana should beat back-to-back Top 5 teams along with two other Top 15 teams."

Ah, yes...the straw man you phonies can't help yourselves from setting up every time. If any one of you hypocrites can produce a single post where I said anything even remotely close to that, please provide a link.

Don't forget to fire back with more hypocrisy and lies instead of actual facts. Hurry up and prove me right.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Exactly what I was talking about, and you guys couldn't wait to step right into the trap.

So a #8 preseason ranking before any games were played "proves" we had a great team in 2008 when it's convenient to slam Stewart for losing to a 5-7 team by 3?

Then make sure you hypocrites also slam Holgorsen for losing to a 5-7 team by 26 in 2011 when he did so with an Orange Bowl-winning team that finished #17/18 in the final polls...you know, the ones that actually matter.

Don't forget to slam Holgorsen as well for taking the preseason #11 team with a loaded offense including senior QB Geno Smith and 2 future NFL WRs all the way to an unranked 7-6 finish in 2012, since those almighty preseason rankings "proves" how great the roster was. Matter of fact, that team even climbed to #5 in the polls after over a month of games, which is even higher than Stewart's team! Certainly that "proves" how great they were even more, since results were already in the books instead of speculation. Funny how you double-standard guys never like mentioning these other examples, isn't it?

At least Stewart's 2008 team actually finished #23 in the final AP poll that year instead of unranked like Holgorsen's 2012 squad.

"But Dana should beat back-to-back Top 5 teams along with two other Top 15 teams."

Ah, yes...the straw man you phonies can't help yourselves from setting up every time. If any one of you hypocrites can produce a single post where I said anything even remotely close to that, please provide a link.

Don't forget to fire back with more hypocrisy and lies instead of actual facts. Hurry up and prove me right.

Great. So let's agree they're both lousy coaches and stop pretending we were better off before Dana came.

Things havent been good since RR left. Stewart shouldnt have been hired. Dana shouldn't have been hired in the manner he was. Either way, I want Dana to pull off a good season.

 

[GoWVU]

Great. So let's agree they're both losey coaches and stop pretending we were better off before Dana came.

Things havent been good since RR left. Stewart shouldnt have been hired. Dana shouldn't have been hired in the manner he was. Either way, I want Dana to pull off a good season.

Now we're getting somewhere, Darth. Thanks for finally seeing the light. For the record, I never said nor thought that we were better off before Holgorsen came.

The reality is we're both on the same page more than you realize. Stewart was a bad hire that was never going to work out well. Holgorsen was a promising hire brought in the wrong way, who we had every reason to think would work out in spite of the awkward beginning, but who simply hasn't so far.

He still has time to change that, but it's running short and he needs a huge finish.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Now we're getting somewhere, Darth. Thanks for finally seeing the light. For the record, I never said nor thought that we were better off before Holgorsen came.

The reality is we're both on the same page more than you realize. Stewart was a bad hire that was never going to work out well. Holgorsen was a promising hire brought in the wrong way, who we had every reason to think would work out in spite of the awkward beginning, but who simply hasn't so far.

He still has time to change that, but it's running short and he needs a huge finish.

Some folks never gave Dana a chance because of their loyalties to Stewart. They just didn't like him, and Luck, and Clements. No matter how well Dana would do, it wouldn't be enough.

 

[GoWVU]

Some folks never gave Dana a chance because of their loyalties to Stewart. They just didn't like him, and Luck, and Clements. No matter how well Dana would do, it wouldn't be enough.

You might be surprised to find I'm totally with you on that. However, it's usually very easy to identify who those fans are and dismiss them out of hand as being irrational.

There is plenty of room for criticism of the current regime without resorting to obvious silliness like that. Multi-million dollar decisions should not be made based on such grounds, as I'm sure you agree.

 

[TruWVblu]

I never mentioned next week's game, so I'm not sure what you're talking about (and neither do you). If you wanted to talk about the game, just ask.

I happen to think we will win next week. Then you'll make a post complaining it wasn't by wide enough margin, or that you didn't like the color of Dana's shirt.

Great. So let's agree they're both lousy coaches and stop pretending we were better off before Dana came.

Things havent been good since RR left. Stewart shouldnt have been hired. Dana shouldn't have been hired in the manner he was. Either way, I want Dana to pull off a good season.

I would argue that the WVU job was better when Stewart left it than it is now. The only thing that makes WVU a good job now is the Big 12 conference. When Stewart left it, WVU was a good job in spite of the conference affiliation.

 

[TruWVblu]

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Some folks never gave Dana a chance because of their loyalties to Stewart. They just didn't like him, and Luck, and Clements. No matter how well Dana would do, it wouldn't be enough.

And some people are loyal to Holgorsen simply because of their disdain for Stewart. Again, it goes both ways.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I would argue that the WVU job was better when Stewart left it than it is now. The only thing that makes WVU a good job now is the Big 12 conference. When Stewart left it, WVU was a good job in spite of the conference affiliation.

The Stew-bots just can't leave well enough alone.

Since StewJesus was fired WVU has joined a power conference, increased our national profile and can pay our coaches significantly more money. But - according to them, the job was more attractive 5 years ago when we were losing to UCONN and celebrating last minute victories over Marshall.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

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And some people are loyal to Holgorsen simply because of their disdain for Stewart. Again, it goes both ways.

No. People are loyal to Dana because he's our head coach and they want him to succeed.

 

[TruWVblu]

No. People are loyal to Dana because he's our head coach and they want him to succeed.

Considering that criteria, the same people pledging their allegiance to Holgorsen should have been doing the same for Stewart. Was that the case? Of course not.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Considering that criteria, the same people pledging their allegiance to Holgorsen should have been doing the same for Stewart. Was that the case? Of course not.

Many people did just that. Others felt he was hired inappropriately and wanted a change, but their rhetoric was no where as bad as it is with Dana.

You people are just gutter-snipers. Never miss an opportunity to take a cheap shot.

 

[TruWVblu]

Many people did just that. Others felt he was hired inappropriately and wanted a change, but their rhetoric was no where as bad as it is with Dana.

You people are just gutter-snipers. Never miss an opportunity to take a cheap shot.

You must be kidding. The disdain for Stewart was and still is much greater than anyone has ever shown to Holgorsen. When Stewart was the coach 9 wins was not enough in the BE. He only lost one game by over 20 points but again, just not good enough in the BE, which I understand. Now, getting beat by 20 and 30 points is regular occurrence but we overlook it because of perceived tougher competition. Winning 8 games or even less is now acceptable. Why? Because he is not Bill Stewart. I want Holgorsen to be successful because he is the coach of the team that I devout a tremendous amount of time and money to, but don't even try to compare anything Holgorsen is facing to what Stewart was put through. Any effort to do so just makes you look bad.

And to your previous point, you said that people are loyal to Holgorsen because he is our head coach and they want him to succeed. You ended that statement with a period. There were no caveats or reasons. Those people should have done the same for Stewart...period. And by the way, you did not.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I would argue that the WVU job was better when Stewart left it than it is now. The only thing that makes WVU a good job now is the Big 12 conference. When Stewart left it, WVU was a good job in spite of the conference affiliation.

wrong again goofball. The program was elite level when stewie took over. Stewart left the program circling the drain and worse shape than Nehlen left it when Rod took over. It took stew 3 years to transform the program from being on the cusp of a NC to squeaking out a last second victory slugfest over CUSA scrub Marshall. Had luck waited 3 more years, stew would have Wvu at a doormat level comparable to a sunbelt conference team.

 

[TruWVblu]

wrong again goofball. The program was elite level when stewie took over. Stewart left the program circling the drain and worse shape than Nehlen left it when Rod took over. It took stew 3 years to transform the program from being on the cusp of a NC to squeaking out a last second victory slugfest over CUSA scrub Marshall. Had luck waited 3 more years, stew would have Wvu at a doormat level comparable to a sunbelt conference team.

Why is it that you feel it ok to attack people personally for a differing opinion? I have never did that to you one time. This is more of a reflection on you than me.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

You must be kidding. The disdain for Stewart was and still is much greater than anyone has ever shown to Holgorsen. When Stewart was the coach 9 wins was not enough in the BE. He only lost one game by over 20 points but again, just not good enough in the BE, which I understand. Now, getting beat by 20 and 30 points is regular occurrence but we overlook it because of perceived tougher competition. Winning 8 games or even less is now acceptable. Why? Because he is not Bill Stewart. I want Holgorsen to be successful because he is the coach of the team that I devout a tremendous amount of time and money to, but don't even try to compare anything Holgorsen is facing to what Stewart was put through. Any effort to do so just makes you look bad.

And to your previous point, you said that people are loyal to Holgorsen because he is our head coach and they want him to succeed. You ended that statement with a period. There were no caveats or reasons. Those people should have done the same for Stewart...period. And by the way, you did not.

Stewart is dead. He can't coach here anymore. What's the point? He wasn't a good head coach. Nehlen was, RR was. Stewart squandered his opportunity to win with a great team.

But he's dead. What is it you want?

You never wanted Dana to win. That's a lie. You wanted him to fail since day 1, and you're like a pig in **** now that the team is struggling. You got your wish, he'll probably be fired and you can do the same to the next guy - because you're just a pissed off old fart.

The Apostles of Hank won't stop until we're back in the AAC with Terry Bowden coaching WVU.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Stewart is dead. He can't coach here anymore. What's the point? He wasn't a good head coach. Nehlen was, RR was. Stewart squandered his opportunity to win with a great team.

But he's dead. What is it you want?

You never wanted Dana to win. That's a lie. You wanted him to fail since day 1, and you're like a pig in **** now that the team is struggling. You got your wish, he'll probably be fired and you can do the same to the next guy - because you're just a pissed off old fart.

The Apostles of Hank won't stop until we're back in the AAC with Terry Bowden coaching WVU.

exactly right! The point the stewtards miss, we aren't saying Dana is the answer. Point is, we don't know yet. We just lost 4 games to 4 top 10 teams in a row with a combined record of 32-1. Urban Meyer and Nick Saban would even struggle.

 

[TruWVblu]

Stewart is dead. He can't coach here anymore. What's the point? He wasn't a good head coach. Nehlen was, RR was. Stewart squandered his opportunity to win with a great team.

But he's dead. What is it you want?

You never wanted Dana to win. That's a lie. You wanted him to fail since day 1, and you're like a pig in **** now that the team is struggling. You got your wish, he'll probably be fired and you can do the same to the next guy - because you're just a pissed off old fart.

The Apostles of Hank won't stop until we're back in the AAC with Terry Bowden coaching WVU.

You have idea how wrong all of that is. First, I am not the one that keeps bringing Stewart up, just look back through some threads and I am sure you will see who does that. As for whether or not he was a good hire, I have only said that he was the right hire. What I meant by that is, there were not real great candidates at the time. Holliday was unproven and from there, where would you go? What Stewart did in preparing the team for the Fiesta Bowl put him above what we had to choose from at the time. I was not even against him being replaced, just the manner in which it was done. And I absolutely did and still do want Holgorsen to be successful. There is no guarantee that replacing a coach these days gives you better results. All I have said is that winning has a different definition under Holgorsen than it did under Stewart. Stewart won 9 games a year and that was not good enough. Now, we can win 8 or less and all is well. Does the Big 12 present challenges? Sure. But it also provides recruiting and other advantages. The bottom line is, we have lowered the standard of what is successful. To your point, yes Stewart is dead and even if he were not, I would not want him to be our head coach, but Holgorsen is not right either.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

You have idea how wrong all of that is. First, I am not the one that keeps bringing Stewart up, just look back through some threads and I am sure you will see who does that. As for whether or not he was a good hire, I have only said that he was the right hire. What I meant by that is, there were not real great candidates at the time. Holliday was unproven and from there, where would you go? What Stewart did in preparing the team for the Fiesta Bowl put him above what we had to choose from at the time. I was not even against him being replaced, just the manner in which it was done. And I absolutely did and still do want Holgorsen to be successful. There is no guarantee that replacing a coach these days gives you better results. All I have said is that winning has a different definition under Holgorsen than it did under Stewart. Stewart won 9 games a year and that was not good enough. Now, we can win 8 or less and all is well. Does the Big 12 present challenges? Sure. But it also provides recruiting and other advantages. The bottom line is, we have lowered the standard of what is successful. To your point, yes Stewart is dead and even if he were not, I would not want him to be our head coach, but Holgorsen is not right either.

its amazing several of you still don't get it. It was never, "stewart won 9 games and it wasn't good enough". The 9 victories are not the point. When you continuously lack the understanding, you get called out on it. You say they are insulting? Well start paying attention.

 

[TruWVblu]

LOL - Talk about being dishonest. Senior QB Pat White. Loaded offense with playmaker Noel Devine. #8 ranked team in the country.

Smoked by CUSA ECU.

But Dana should beat back-to-back Top 5 teams along with two other Top 15 teams.

Of course, you fail to mention the season that Stewart saved. The one in which he prepared the team after our head coach completely disregarded them. You also don't mention that Holgorsen has lost 11 games by 20+ points, with 6 of those being by over 30 points, while Stewart only lost one by over 20 points. You also gloss over the fact that three of those huge loses came to Syracuse and Maryland, teams that we had played every season previously. Or, that Holgorsen lost to Kansas, a team that had not prior, or since beaten a conference team in over 3 seasons.

 

[WarezEER]

Some folks never gave Dana a chance because of their loyalties to Stewart. They just didn't like him, and Luck, and Clements. No matter how well Dana would do, it wouldn't be enough.

Yes................some folks never gave Dana a chance because of loyalties to Stewart. Just like some folks never gave Stewart a chance because of their loyalties to Rich Rod. They just didn't like Stewart, and Luck and Clements. No matter how well Stewart did ............it was not enough. Half an inch of water..............think your gonna drown. Warez

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Of course, you fail to mention the season that Stewart saved. The one in which he prepared the team after our head coach completely disregarded them. You also don't mention that Holgorsen has lost 11 games by 20+ points, with 6 of those being by over 30 points, while Stewart only lost one by over 20 points. You also gloss over the fact that three of those huge loses came to Syracuse and Maryland, teams that we had played every season previously. Or, that Holgorsen lost to Kansas, a team that had not prior, or since beaten a conference team in over 3 seasons.

saved the season? Listen, Stewart gave an inspiring locker room speech and then became a glorified cheer leader on the sidelines as Rodriguez's staff coached the game. Calvin Magee called the offense, Jeff casteel called the defense, Mike barwis conditioned the team, etc. Get the picture? The following season was Stewart's staff he hired. Incompetent Mike Joseph (still here and a huge reason for our struggles with injuries and players not conditioned), incompetent Jeff Mullins running the offense, and incompetent head man Stewart leading them. Together they transformed a legit top 10 team into a disaster upset by ECU, Colorado. The only bright spot was doc Holliday and Lonnie Galloway who brought us geno smith and stedman Bailey and tavon Austin. Want proof? Once Holliday left out recruiting fell in the toilet. I mean Brian athey? Lmao!!! Come on, son. Oliver luck saved us when he made the change.

 

[TruWVblu]

saved the season? Listen, Stewart gave an inspiring locker room speech and then became a glorified cheer leader on the sidelines as Rodriguez's staff coached the game. Calvin Magee called the offense, Jeff casteel called the defense, Mike barwis conditioned the team, etc. Get the picture? The following season was Stewart's staff he hired. Incompetent Mike Joseph (still here and a huge reason for our struggles with injuries and players not conditioned), incompetent Jeff Mullins running the offense, and incompetent head man Stewart leading them. Together they transformed a legit top 10 team into a disaster upset by ECU, Colorado. The only bright spot was doc Holliday and Lonnie Galloway who brought us geno smith and stedman Bailey and tavon Austin. Want proof? Once Holliday left out recruiting fell in the toilet. I mean Brian athey? Lmao!!! Come on, son. Oliver luck saved us when he made the change.

For some reason, you always diminish anything good about Stewart with excuse after excuse, just as you do everything on the other side for Holgorsen. Stewart was responsible for the entire program, thus he gets credit for recruiting those players. Holgorsen is responsible for the entire program, and he gets credit for everything going on now. And by the way, Joseph is still here because Holgorsen has kept him here, and your man Luck allowed him to stay as well. So, if Joseph is incompetent as you say, why is Holgorsen not held to the same standard as when Stewart did not rid us of Mullens? At least be fair when you are disrespecting a dead man.