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<blockquote data-quote="MikeRafone" data-source="post: 129444449" data-attributes="member: 1482681"><p>The last time WVU played schedules close to this tough was under Nehlen. When he came in, PSU and Pitt were national powers. It took him 4 years to beat Pitt and another 4 to start beating them regularly after they began their slide. He beat PSU in '84, the first time WVU had done so in 28 years. He beat them again in '88 and never again. Both wins came over PSU in down years. Why? WVU doesn't have access to the same talent as PSU.</p><p></p><p>Don first played Miami in '83. Both were programs then on the rise. (Miami had seriously discussed dropping football in '79.) Miami won the National Championship on it's home field later in that season. WVU had a solid season and eeked out a win over a so-so Kentucky team in a no name bowl in Alabama. (I about froze my nuts off at that game). In '85 WVU and Miami started playing regularly. Don beat a very legit Miami team in '93, and one heavily undermanned a few years later due to probation from the Erickson years.</p><p></p><p>Two wins over a team on the verge of dropping football a mere 4 years before they started playing regularly. What was the difference? Lou Saban then Howard Schnellenberger wised up to the fact that there was more talent in Dade County than most states. They got the snobs in Coral Gables to start allowing those kids in, and their football program went through the roof.</p><p></p><p>Virginia Tech. WVU owned Virginia Tech for years. If WVU lost to Virginia Tech, the WVU fanbase went apesh!t. Tech once had a 10-1 season as an independent and went to the Weedeater Bowl in Shreveport, in Bruce Smith's senior year. The way the Tech fans celebrated over going to that bowl was like they'd won the national championship. Tech had many bowl eligible season before that, but no one wanted them.</p><p></p><p>Frank Beamer takes over in the late 80's and upgrades the schedule. Tech is improving but still struggling as it enters the Big East. Beamer is told he has one more year after the '92 season. He makes wholesale changes to his staff and Tech goes to one of the BE bowl openings in '93. Beamer who has been slowly making recruiting inroads into the Tidewater and NOVA in his earlier years, has something to build on. Tech starts beating archrival UVA on the field and in recruiting. Tech goes on a 15 year roll. Why? Because there is a boatload of talent in the two areas mentioned above.</p><p></p><p>Finally lets look at WVU. Nehlen is a good X and 0's coach. Two, he realizes that the talent base in WV is pretty sparse, maybe 5 quality D-I kids in an an excellent year, so he goes the Nebraska route; Concentrate the recruiting in nearby talent rich states, builds a walk-on program with the instate kids, takes partial qualifiers, and goes heavy on redshirting, the weights, and multi-year development. It works well and WVU is very competitive.</p><p></p><p>Fast forward 10 years past Nehlen. Partial qualifiers are no longer allowed by league rules at WVU. The NCAA has restricted what you can do with walk-ons, no more bringing them in early with the rest of the players and no more access to the training table. This combined with the 85 scholarship rule, which has been in effect for years, starts to play havoc with WVU's depth, as those walk-ons don't get the full work they used to. WVU is always going to be the second or third choice for out of state kids, it's only natural, and the amount of young people in the state are declining.</p><p></p><p>WVU now has to travel over a thousand miles for away games with less depth than any time in it's history You could hire Pete Carroll, but you're not going to overcome WVU's demographic problems in the long run. The players don't exist in sufficient numbers inside the state.</p><p></p><p>K-State has similar demographic problems, but the state of Kansas has a JC system that allows KSU to use it as a feeder system. They don't have to sweat the walk-on dilemma, they can cherry pick after watching the kids develop on someone else's dime for a year or two, then give a scholly. Two, K-State doesn't have to travel a thousand miles plus miles to get to most away games.</p><p></p><p>Dana is getting WVU to bowls with little more than smoke and mirrors in the toolbox. With WVU's built-in disadvantages, competing for a Big-12 Championship once or twice a decade is what's in the cards for any WVU coach for the foreseeable future.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MikeRafone, post: 129444449, member: 1482681"] The last time WVU played schedules close to this tough was under Nehlen. When he came in, PSU and Pitt were national powers. It took him 4 years to beat Pitt and another 4 to start beating them regularly after they began their slide. He beat PSU in '84, the first time WVU had done so in 28 years. He beat them again in '88 and never again. Both wins came over PSU in down years. Why? WVU doesn't have access to the same talent as PSU. Don first played Miami in '83. Both were programs then on the rise. (Miami had seriously discussed dropping football in '79.) Miami won the National Championship on it's home field later in that season. WVU had a solid season and eeked out a win over a so-so Kentucky team in a no name bowl in Alabama. (I about froze my nuts off at that game). In '85 WVU and Miami started playing regularly. Don beat a very legit Miami team in '93, and one heavily undermanned a few years later due to probation from the Erickson years. Two wins over a team on the verge of dropping football a mere 4 years before they started playing regularly. What was the difference? Lou Saban then Howard Schnellenberger wised up to the fact that there was more talent in Dade County than most states. They got the snobs in Coral Gables to start allowing those kids in, and their football program went through the roof. Virginia Tech. WVU owned Virginia Tech for years. If WVU lost to Virginia Tech, the WVU fanbase went apesh!t. Tech once had a 10-1 season as an independent and went to the Weedeater Bowl in Shreveport, in Bruce Smith's senior year. The way the Tech fans celebrated over going to that bowl was like they'd won the national championship. Tech had many bowl eligible season before that, but no one wanted them. Frank Beamer takes over in the late 80's and upgrades the schedule. Tech is improving but still struggling as it enters the Big East. Beamer is told he has one more year after the '92 season. He makes wholesale changes to his staff and Tech goes to one of the BE bowl openings in '93. Beamer who has been slowly making recruiting inroads into the Tidewater and NOVA in his earlier years, has something to build on. Tech starts beating archrival UVA on the field and in recruiting. Tech goes on a 15 year roll. Why? Because there is a boatload of talent in the two areas mentioned above. Finally lets look at WVU. Nehlen is a good X and 0's coach. Two, he realizes that the talent base in WV is pretty sparse, maybe 5 quality D-I kids in an an excellent year, so he goes the Nebraska route; Concentrate the recruiting in nearby talent rich states, builds a walk-on program with the instate kids, takes partial qualifiers, and goes heavy on redshirting, the weights, and multi-year development. It works well and WVU is very competitive. Fast forward 10 years past Nehlen. Partial qualifiers are no longer allowed by league rules at WVU. The NCAA has restricted what you can do with walk-ons, no more bringing them in early with the rest of the players and no more access to the training table. This combined with the 85 scholarship rule, which has been in effect for years, starts to play havoc with WVU's depth, as those walk-ons don't get the full work they used to. WVU is always going to be the second or third choice for out of state kids, it's only natural, and the amount of young people in the state are declining. WVU now has to travel over a thousand miles for away games with less depth than any time in it's history You could hire Pete Carroll, but you're not going to overcome WVU's demographic problems in the long run. The players don't exist in sufficient numbers inside the state. K-State has similar demographic problems, but the state of Kansas has a JC system that allows KSU to use it as a feeder system. They don't have to sweat the walk-on dilemma, they can cherry pick after watching the kids develop on someone else's dime for a year or two, then give a scholly. Two, K-State doesn't have to travel a thousand miles plus miles to get to most away games. Dana is getting WVU to bowls with little more than smoke and mirrors in the toolbox. With WVU's built-in disadvantages, competing for a Big-12 Championship once or twice a decade is what's in the cards for any WVU coach for the foreseeable future. [/QUOTE]
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