I hate doing this one- but I told you guys about sticking with Kennedy

[Coach34]

Kennedy elevated their program from the bottom of the SEC- made them consistent...and once consistent- now he is going to lead them to the NCAA Tourney this year.

It's kinda like Mullen- but Mullen has been even better.

Kennedy took over an absolute turd, and has them averaging 20 wins/season- and now has a really good group
Mullen took over an absolute turd, and now has us averaging 7+ wins/season- we just need to keep supporting and help him get to that really good group

 

[GhostOfJackie]

Yeah but Stansbury still owned him. I think they are a good team this year, but they will do the usual Kennedy slide in the second half of the season. Kennedy had the talent to make the NCAA tourney at least twice since he's been there. He didn't and I still think he never will. Ole Miss basketball will always be second fiddle in our state.

 

[CadaverDawg]

He'll make it this year. No way he goes on that harsh of a slide with this much talent and such a ****** SEC.

 

[Coach34]

Yeah but Stansbury still owned him. I think they are a good team this year, but they will do the usual Kennedy slide in the second half of the season. Kennedy had the talent to make the NCAA tourney at least twice since he's been there. He didn't and I still think he never will. Ole Miss basketball will always be second fiddle in our state.

yes Stands owned him- but Stands aint coaching no more. They are a lock this year for the NCAA Tourney- hell, they are projected as a 6 seed or so right now. The SEC is a turd conference which only helps them. They will be 12-6 at worst and probably better in the SEC.

 

[studentdawg87]

Wait, averaging 20 wins a season is something to brag about if you're Kennedy, but it sucks if you're a coach at State? Winning 20 games a season doesn't mean jack **** nowadays, but you are being extremely hypocritical here, although it will not come as a surprise to anyone who regularly reads this board.

Kennedy averages 20 games a year= "I told you so." Stans averages 20 wins a year= "Winning 20 games a year no longer means anything. Fire him."

On a separate note, Kennedy's best player, Marshall Henderson, is the biggest piece of **** in college basketball. I hope someone hits him in his Adam's apple and he can barely speak, much less talk **** and be ridiculously histrionic on the court. And I mean that.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

We'd be winning 10 games if football was this relatively weak. Ole miss played an incredibly terrible non conference schedule, and still lost to the only other major conference team they played (Rutgers). They have 1 decent W over mizzou, but who knows where mizzou might be by the end of the season, they've been a bit inconsistent thus far.

 

[Coach34]

Wait, averaging 20 wins a season is something to brag about if you're Kennedy, but it sucks if you're a coach at State? Winning 20 games a season doesn't mean jack **** nowadays, but you are being extremely hypocritical here, although it will not come as a surprise to anyone who regularly reads this board..

They are the worst basketball team in SEC history.

They have no SEC titles- we have 6
They have 2 SEC Tourney title- we have 4
They have 6 NCAA's- we have 10 and it should be 13 if it wasnt for racism
They have 1 Sweet 16- we have 2
We have a Final Four- they dont

Their program isnt good enough to be compared to ours

 

[HD6]

 

[RebChuck]

Ole Miss beat Rutgers 80-67. No need spewing misinformation. I think you mean they lost to MTSU or Indiana St.

Dubmass *****

 

[RockstarFromMars]

too slow

 

[MSUDC11]

I don't think they are any better than they were last year. It's the same team, they just traded Henry for Henderson, who is better offensively but worse defensively.

The SEC is just bad. Really really bad. They will get into the tourney, but they can't really do much more to improve their resume'. And any slip ups hurt their seeding. I really believe we can and very well may beat them when they come to The Hump.

If this is Andy's best team ever and there is still a question about them losing to us when we are WAY down on talent and depth, I'm ok with the order of things.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

They have experienced bigs in Holloway and Buckner. A good pg in Summers, Williams is decent, and the new one in Henderson that is cocky, arrogant, confident, and will shoot anytime anywhere. Take that team and put it in a conference with the worst basketball in years and they will make the tourney easily. They just beat Vandy at Vandy for goodness sakes after playing like **** for 3/4 of the game. Theyve already spanked #10 Mizzou. Beat UT at UT, who is gonna be one of the better teams in the league. USC, UGA, Bama, LSU, us, UPig all are not very good teams. Florida and UK are the biggest games for them to worry about. Sure they'll lose a few they shouldn't but it will be impossible for them to blow this NCAA Tourney bid. They will be dancing this season almost by default. But they are a very good team, don't get me wrong.

 

[57stratdawg]

I thought simply making the tournament was meaningless. It was all about sweet16s. Theyre not a lock either. They have a very small margin of error.

Truth be told both Kennedy and Mullen are underachieving.

 

[RebChuck]

I guess anything is possible in sports, but really. There is still a question about them losing to us? Seriously?

 

[MSUDC11]

I guess anything is possible in sports, but really. There is still a question about them losing to us? Seriously?

They should've lost to a Vandy team who we are better than. I think we have a chance at home.

 

[RebChuck]

Did you watch the game or just see the highlights on ESPN? Vandy shot lights out 1st half, set a record for 3 pointers, all which resulted in them scoring 20 above thier avg in regulation...and still lost because Ole Miss achieved their points per game avg.

everyone has a punchers chance. Anything is possible I guess.

 

[maroonmania]

Call me when he makes the Sweet Sixteen....

Kennedy elevated their program from the bottom of the SEC- made them consistent...and once consistent- now he is going to lead them to the NCAA Tourney this year.

It's kinda like Mullen- but Mullen has been even better.

Kennedy took over an absolute turd, and has them averaging 20 wins/season- and now has a really good group
Mullen took over an absolute turd, and now has us averaging 7+ wins/season- we just need to keep supporting and help him get to that really good group

I've learned from this board that that's all that counts.

 

[maroonmania]

Did you watch the game or just see the highlights on ESPN? Vandy shot lights out 1st half, set a record for 3 pointers, all which resulted in them scoring 20 above thier avg in regulation...and still lost because Ole Miss achieved their points per game avg.

everyone has a punchers chance. Anything is possible I guess.

Well that and missing 7 straight free throws in the last few minutes of the game. No matter how well you play the rest of the game unless you build a huge lead you still have to be able to salt a game away at the stripe. So weird seeing a Vandy team that looks lost at the free throw line.

 

[Coach34]

Truth be told both Kennedy and Mullen are underachieving.

Thats dumb as ****...both programs are playing way above their historical norm. Only an uninformed idiot thinks thats underachieving

State is a top half SEC basketball program historically- Ole Miss is the worst SEC basketball program

In football, State is the worst program historically, but does move ahead of Vandy if you only count the modern Era- (post-Integration). Nothing about what we are doing now is "underachieving"- I mean literally nothing

 

[DAWG61]

They are much better than last year with Marshall Henderson. He is in the running for SEC player of the year.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Asinine.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

This is not ground-breaking info, it's common sense.....

It's not like you're telling anybody anything we don't already know. So don't try and take credit for being 'right'.

 

[maroonmania]

Agree, he may be an arrogant punk but...

They are much better than last year with Marshall Henderson. He is in the running for SEC player of the year.

he's a dang good player and better than anything I saw them with last year on the perimeter.

 

[Philly Dawg]

You need to recheck the record books. MSU is not a top half basketball program historically. Through 2005, MSU was ninth all time winning percentage ahead of Georgia, South Carolina, and Ole Miss. Take out USC and Arkansas, and we are still bottom half historically. We have only been top half for any extended period twice, during the McCarthy and Stansbury tenures. Ironically, both coaches were run off after relatively (to MSU historical standards) successful seasons.

If you check the books, and apply your logic from this post, then it may interfere with your position on Stansbury. We played well above our historical average during his tenure here. Through 2005 our historical winning percentage was .432 in conference games. Stansbury's winning percentage was .545 in conference games.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

You're correct, but Stans was not run off for any of the things Coach34 claims. He's just a hot-air baffoon. Stans would still be here if he hadn't dabbled around with a bunch of thugs in the second half of his tenure.

 

[JackShephard]

there's some value to a lot of your posts, but lately you sound unhinged. All of this "I told you so" crap lately after a terrible string of horrible predictions is just.....strange. You're trying too hard. You sound like you may need therapy. Cool your jets. Your internet persona/street cred/rep, whatever appears to be more important than you're real life. Don't let it be. I'm not going to argue semantics or try to point out where you were wrong (because I already know what your response will be, we've all seen it enough to know), I'm just offering my 2 cents. I'm sure I'll get cussed and called names in return, but oh well. Carry on.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Dude, he's Peaches in real life too.

 

[Coach34]

You need to recheck the record books. MSU is not a top half basketball program historically.

We are a top half program in SEC titles
We are top half program in SEC Tourney titles
We are one of only 6 SEC programs to make the Final Four
We are tied for 7th with Vandy in NCAA Tourney appearances earned (We've earned 13 bids- only accepted 10)

Top half SEC basketball program

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

Ole Miss beat Rutgers 80-67. No need spewing misinformation. I think you mean they lost to MTSU or Indiana St.

Dubmass *****

my bad, i scanned the schedule and just jumped a line (rutgers and mtsu were back to back games). glad you straightened that out though, it's worse than i thought.

dumbass *****

 

[KurtRambis4]

You just managed

to, in one single thread, elevate almost every accomplishment that you've been saying for the past 7 years (or so) meant nothing or was worthless.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

I think even a blind man expected to see Kennedy move up with Stans gone.

I mean Stans absolutely owned Kennedy. It's only natural that his stock would rise now that there is a vacuum left from the departure of his nemesis.

 

[ket7450]

Kennedy elevated their program from the bottom of the SEC- made them consistent...and once consistent- now he is going to lead them to the NCAA Tourney this year.

It's kinda like Mullen- but Mullen has been even better.

Kennedy took over an absolute turd, and has them averaging 20 wins/season- and now has a really good group
Mullen took over an absolute turd, and now has us averaging 7+ wins/season- we just need to keep supporting and help him get to that really good group

You hate telling people that your right? Haha

That's the funniest thing I've read in awhile. What about all your terrible predictions that have been wrong? I guess you don't want to talk about that.

 

[Philly Dawg]

You raise an interesting point on how to judge historical success, but ignore the fact that Stansbury had a large hand in it, and you still fail to refute the general point.

Based upon your argument, if we are a top half SEC program, then there are basically two coaches who are responsible for it, Babe McCarthy and Rick Stansbury (with Richard Williams in a distant third). Stans was coach for one of the SEC titles, 6 of the 13 NCAA bids, and 2 of the 3 SEC Tourney Titles. If I were going to make your argument to justify being a top half SEC program, I would have included SEC western division titles. We have seven, more than any other western division program, and Stansbury was coach for 5 of the 7.

If MSU is a top half program judged by this basis, Stansbury deserves a lot of credit for it, and you cannot deny that under Stansbury, MSU performed above its historical averages.

 

[Seinfeld]

To make sure that I understand

We're talking about a man that has taken 7 years to assemble a team that will sniff a NCAA tourney(something that most of you say State should be doing no less than once/3 yrs)... in what is probably the weakest SEC that has occurred in the last quarter century... and all of this during a year where MSU fired its winningest all time coach...

This is what you're saying "I told you so" about? Hell, give any coach the better part of a decade to be a Top 68 team and the stars will align at some point

 

[Bm4c]

You're correct, but Stans was not run off for any of the things Coach34 claims. He's just a hot-air baffoon. Stans would still be here if he hadn't dabbled around with a bunch of thugs in the second half of his tenure.

What is a "baffoon"?
Not familiar with that term. Is it a sixpackspeak term like "crootin"?

 

[Coach34]

You raise an interesting point on how to judge historical success, but ignore the fact that Stansbury had a large hand in it, and you still fail to refute the general point.

Based upon your argument, if we are a top half SEC program, then there are basically two coaches who are responsible for it, Babe McCarthy and Rick Stansbury (with Richard Williams in a distant third). Stans was coach for one of the SEC titles, 6 of the 13 NCAA bids, and 2 of the 3 SEC Tourney Titles. If I were going to make your argument to justify being a top half SEC program, I would have included SEC western division titles. We have seven, more than any other western division program, and Stansbury was coach for 5 of the 7.

If MSU is a top half program judged by this basis, Stansbury deserves a lot of credit for it, and you cannot deny that under Stansbury, MSU performed above its historical averages.

Who said Stansbury wasnt responsible for alot of State's success? I've said many, many times that he had a very good run from 2001-2005
We have had 3 coaches to thank for that- not 2- Williams revived the program from the dead to take us to an SEC title, a Tourney title, 3 NCAA's, a Sweet 16, and a FF. He also left Stansbury on solid footing to begin his career. Then Stansbury did something Williams couldnt- made the program consistent.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Hold up a sec ...

yes Stands owned him- but Stands aint coaching no more. They are a lock this year for the NCAA Tourney- hell, they are projected as a 6 seed or so right now. The SEC is a turd conference which only helps them. They will be 12-6 at worst and probably better in the SEC.

Once again, you're 'speeding' here Coach. You were the one that compared State 'sticking with Mullen' to the Bears 'sticken with AK.'

Would State stick with Mullen 'if' he lost to the Bears 6 out of the last 7 games like AK just did? I'll hang up and listen ...

 

[BiscuitEater]

Incredible ...

State is a top half SEC basketball program historically- Ole Miss is the worst SEC basketball program

You do understand that between the time Babe left in '65 and '92 when Stansbury showed to start recruiting for Williams, that State was the crappiest team in the SEC ... period.

"If" State is considered a top half SEC program, it is because of Rick Stansbury; the guy you have vilified over the last years. I just don't get the 'see how the Bears benefit with sticking with AK.' Did you notice that they have been ranked a couple of times over the last few years and STILL haven't made to the Dance? Biance and AK have a 'finishing' problem, yet he is your example of 'sticking' with a coach?

And OM has won only one SECT and it was ~23 years ago.

Incredible ... just incredible

 

[dawgstudent]

If you have to wait 7 years for a coach to be at the level of what every coach is judged by - don't get me that coach.

 

[yakalot2]

I bet you got an erection when you typed "I hate doing this...."

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