I know its been said

[615dawg]

but I can't get over a 2-10 Indiana team hiring the James Madison coach. That coach is introduced at a basketball game and says the SEC equivalent of 17 Ole Miss, Alabama and Georgia, then wins the national championship in his second year with a 16-0 season.

When Cignetti was mentioned as a replacement for Arnett, the consensus was "he's too old and won't relate to kids."

Then we hired High School Lebby.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

With a QB that was told no for a walk on spot at Miami, his hometown. Then just goes and wins the Heisman, the NC and loses what? 2 games in 2 years in the B10 ? Threw more touchdowns than incompletions in 2 playoff games. Insane.

 

[DawgNsuds]

My take away from all of is this is hire coaches from the Saban coaching tree, the numbers that I have seen have been impressive

 

[615dawg]

My take away from all of is this is hire coaches from the Saban coaching tree, the numbers that I have seen have been impressive

Absolutely.

Brent Key and Charles Huff should be first calls.

 

[Maroon13]

but I can't get over a 2-10 Indiana team hiring the James Madison coach. That coach is introduced at a basketball game and says the SEC equivalent of 17 Ole Miss, Alabama and Georgia, then wins the national championship in his second year with a 16-0 season.


Then we hired High School Lebby.

It really is a remarkable story. An awesome story.

"High school".... nailed it. I can see him monitoring a study hall as he reads "soccer for dummies" because he has to coach soccer in the winter.

 

[AROB44]

but I can't get over a 2-10 Indiana team hiring the James Madison coach. That coach is introduced at a basketball game and says the SEC equivalent of 17 Ole Miss, Alabama and Georgia, then wins the national championship in his second year with a 16-0 season.

When Cignetti was mentioned as a replacement for Arnett, the consensus was "he's too old and won't relate to kids."

Then we hired High School Lebby.

And that's why you don't let message board geniuses pick coaches.

 

[Bobby Ricigliano]

And that's why you don't let message board geniuses pick coaches.

Hey, Cignetti was my pick!

 

[615dawg]

"High school".... nailed it. I can see him monitoring a study hall as he reads "soccer for dummies" because he has to coach soccer in the winter.

He has all the qualities of a high school coach.

Hires his buddies
Unserious about developing talent, just showing off his playcalling
Can't manage game time situations

 

[Bobby Ricigliano]

My take away from all of is this is hire coaches from the Saban coaching tree, the numbers that I have seen have been impressive

Does being on a coach’s staff for one year, as a position coach at that, constitute being “from that coach’s tree”?

 

[615dawg]

Does being on a coach’s staff for one year, as a position coach at that, constitute being “from that coach’s tree”?

If you are talking about Cignetti, he was on Saban's staff for four years. Being with Saban that long has been compared to earning a doctorate in how to run a college football program.

He was 53-17 at the D2 level
He was 47-15 at the FCS level
He was 19-4 at the G5 level
He is now 27-2 at the P4 level

The guy can flat out coach

And there are others like him. We need to find them.

 

[8dog]

Absolutely.

Brent Key and Charles Huff should be first calls.

Love this chart not including Billy Napier.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

He has all the qualities of a high school coach.

Hires his buddies
Unserious about developing talent, just showing off his playcalling
Can't manage game time situations

Wake me up when he has play calls worth showing off

 

[Chesusdog]

Wake me up when he has play calls worth showing off

Giving credit where it is due, I loved the 2-3 plays we ran with both Shapen and Taylor in the backfield. Of course we never went back to that one even though they were successful.

 

[onewoof]

how many passes has Becker dropped

 

[onewoof]

In the 4th Quarter alone Mr. Heisman converted:

• 4th and 5
• 4th and 4
• 3rd and 4
• 3rd and 7

 

[TheBannerM]

I think there is no chance Mississippi State's next head coach is a cooridinator, and even less of a chance that he has no head coaching experience.

 

[Bobby Ricigliano]

If you are talking about Cignetti, he was on Saban's staff for four years. Being with Saban that long has been compared to earning a doctorate in how to run a college football program.

He was 53-17 at the D2 level
He was 47-15 at the FCS level
He was 19-4 at the G5 level
He is now 27-2 at the P4 level

The guy can flat out coach

And there are others like him. We need to find them.

You’re right…I stand corrected. That said, I’m huge Cignetti fan, so no argument on his coaching ability.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Absolutely.

Brent Key and Charles Huff should be first calls.

Good lord. It’s easier to follow along on the 1000 year old family tree of House Targaryen than that thing…..

I’ll simply say Saban mentored some good coaches and some not so good ones. The good ones all seemed to have similar qualities as himself in terms of intensity and determination (Smart, Cignetti, etc.). But you certainly don’t see the Derek Dooleys, Jeremy Pruitts, and many others included on here.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

If you are talking about Cignetti, he was on Saban's staff for four years. Being with Saban that long has been compared to earning a doctorate in how to run a college football program.

He was 53-17 at the D2 level
He was 47-15 at the FCS level
He was 19-4 at the G5 level
He is now 27-2 at the P4 level

The guy can flat out coach

And there are others like him. We need to find them.

I know a guy who was:

39-5 at the JUCO level;
97-47 at the D2 level;
40-15 at the FCS level;
71-54 at the G5 level;

And was the same age as Cignetti when he was available for hire. 67% total win % compared to Cignetti's 79%, but heck, there aren't many Cignettis out there. But, take out Cignetti's P4 record, i.e. where they were when hired for P4, and he's at AND......

People may point to the G5 records. But I have it on good authority that the program this guy took over was in slightly worse shape than the one Cignetti took over, which had just won the FCS championship 3 years prior, and played for it 2 years prior, and made the playoffs the year prior, and had its coach hired away.

 

[AT4 Dawg]

And that's why you don't let message board geniuses pick coaches.

Or first time ADs in their 30s.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Wake me up when he has play calls worth showing off

I will say the the shiniest play of his was the one to get the game winning TD vs asu. Just send the fastest guy in the country on a go route and hope the qb can hit him

 

[Maroon Eagle]

And that's why you don't let message board geniuses pick coaches.

Or first time ADs in their 30s.

Okay…

Which one of you genuses is Selmon? **

 

[Pink Floyd.sixpack]

I know a guy who was:

39-5 at the JUCO level;
97-47 at the D2 level;
40-15 at the FCS level;
71-54 at the G5 level;

And was the same age as Cignetti when he was available for hire. 67% total win % compared to Cignetti's 79%, but heck, there aren't many Cignettis out there. But, take out Cignetti's P4 record, i.e. where they were when hired for P4, and he's at AND......

People may point to the G5 records. But I have it on good authority that the program this guy took over was in slightly worse shape than the one Cignetti took over, which had just won the FCS championship 3 years prior, and played for it 2 years prior, and made the playoffs the year prior, and had its coach hired away.

Who’s is this you speak of?

 

[615dawg]

Who’s is this you speak of?

It sounds to me like Willie Fritz, another coach we could have hired.

Another guy that can coach. Houston will be in the playoff in the next couple years. Fritz had them 10-3 this season.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Who’s is this you speak of?

If Goat is mentioning it then it’s Willie Fritz.

 

[Will Rogers.sixpack]

I know a guy who was:

39-5 at the JUCO level;
97-47 at the D2 level;
40-15 at the FCS level;
71-54 at the G5 level;

And was the same age as Cignetti when he was available for hire. 67% total win % compared to Cignetti's 79%, but heck, there aren't many Cignettis out there. But, take out Cignetti's P4 record, i.e. where they were when hired for P4, and he's at AND......

People may point to the G5 records. But I have it on good authority that the program this guy took over was in slightly worse shape than the one Cignetti took over, which had just won the FCS championship 3 years prior, and played for it 2 years prior, and made the playoffs the year prior, and had its coach hired away.

Willie Fritz.

Jeff Lebby is way better for us than Willie Fritz. Be patient. Season after next you’ll see.

 

[Will Rogers.sixpack]

The culture is actually building here, just quietly. Lebby preaches toughness, accountability, and no excuses. That’s why guys like him. The ones who portal? Usually the ones who didn’t buy in. That identity takes time, but it’s forming. Long term ceiling is higher with Lebby than with anyone else we could realistically get. Lebby’s plan isn’t sexy. It’s not quick. It’s not traditional. But it’s the only plan that makes mathematical sense for a program with our resources, geography, and history. His extreme tempo wears defenses down. The portal keeps us fresh. The grit builds identity. Be patient at least a couple years, it’s the right long term play.

 

[85Bears]

 

[ababyatemydingo]

The culture is actually building here, just quietly. Lebby preaches toughness, accountability, and no excuses. That’s why guys like him. The ones who portal? Usually the ones who didn’t buy in. That identity takes time, but it’s forming. Long term ceiling is higher with Lebby than with anyone else we could realistically get. Lebby’s plan isn’t sexy. It’s not quick. It’s not traditional. But it’s the only plan that makes mathematical sense for a program with our resources, geography, and history. His extreme tempo wears defenses down. The portal keeps us fresh. The grit builds identity. Be patient at least a couple years, it’s the right long term play.

hey moron, did you forget that we know who you are?

 

[Will Rogers.sixpack]

hey moron, did you forget that we know who you are?

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Willie Fritz.

Jeff Lebby is way better for us than Willie Fritz. Be patient. Season after next you’ll see.

Lebby’s Humpty Dumpty a-s-s is on borrowed time. He fixes it this year or the is no “season after next.”

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

Huff on that list is a Saban and Mullen branch who is building and knows how to work the portal. Hopefully he does well at Memphis is Lebby doesn't work out. I know that he'd come to Starkville. I was always told that he loved it here. That said, he'd no doubt leave for something better in a few years but that's fine. It means he did well.
I just don't know what he brings in terms of offense. He's winning is all I know. Is he running the offense/ calling plays/ relfense?..
Obviously there are likely bigger names but he's someone we could get and quickly with hc experience, familiarity with msu and the state, etc.
I'm going to continue watching.
If we pulled him, I feel the southern fans would be like the UM fans currently.

 

[Will Rogers.sixpack]

Lebby’s Humpty Dumpty a-s-s is on borrowed time. He fixes it this year or the is no “season after next.”

Humpty Lebby sat on the wall,
Humpty Lebby ran the fastest of all.
Tempo so quick, defenses would fall,
He built us a future, one snap at a time.
All the cowbells and all the Dawgs’ fans
In two to three more years,
Cheered as he turned chaos to plans.

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

Lebby’s Humpty Dumpty a-s-s is on borrowed time. He fixes it this year or the is no “season after next.”

He's shown promise and making obvious mistakes which new coaches will make. That said I think if we don't have an O line that is improved this year, he's gone. Hopefully he gets it together and builds but right now it's not looking good.
Too tough of a schedule and he has to win now. Everyone knew he'd get 3 years unless absolute disaster (which was year one). Maybe he's learned from some mistakes but listening to the post game comments, It didn't seem like it.

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

with Huff hopefully you'd get Mullen without having to deal with Mullen.
Imagine Huff back bringing his players , Mullen system? And hopefully development strategy. It could be great. It could be awful but he's climbing the ladder. He turned southern around. He did well with Marshall. We'll see how Memphis goes.

 

[BreckyBratt]

He's shown promise and making obvious mistakes which new coaches will make. That said I think if we don't have an O line that is improved this year, he's gone. Hopefully he gets it together and builds but right now it's not looking good.
Too tough of a schedule and he has to win now. Everyone knew he'd get 3 years unless absolute disaster (which was year one). Maybe he's learned from some mistakes but listening to the post game comments, It didn't seem like it.

Honest question at what point are these guys not new coaches anymore? Hopefully the portal haul gets him more talent to compete, but if he's still a "new coach" between the ears next season does the talent help? Ok two questions...

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

The culture is actually building here, just quietly. Lebby preaches toughness, accountability, and no excuses. That’s why guys like him. The ones who portal? Usually the ones who didn’t buy in. That identity takes time, but it’s forming. Long term ceiling is higher with Lebby than with anyone else we could realistically get. Lebby’s plan isn’t sexy. It’s not quick. It’s not traditional. But it’s the only plan that makes mathematical sense for a program with our resources, geography, and history. His extreme tempo wears defenses down. The portal keeps us fresh. The grit builds identity. Be patient at least a couple years, it’s the right long term play.

I just have to know, and I do want to take you at your word. Do you really believe any of this? And what, so far, has inspired this belief in Lebby that I would think it is fair to say the rest of us are missing? Or at least some of us are not seeming to understand. I really want to be optimistic about MSU football, and share in your optimism. Please tell me again about how great it will be in 2 to 3 years.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I just have to know, and I do want to take you at your word. Do you really believe any of this? And what, so far, has inspired this belief in Lebby that I would think it is fair to say the rest of us are missing? Or at least some of us are not seeming to understand. I really want to be optimistic about MSU football, and share in your optimism. Please tell me again about how great it will be in 2 to 3 years.

Just ask @bulldoghair because that’s who Will Rogers is.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Huff on that list is a Saban and Mullen branch who is building and knows how to work the portal. Hopefully he does well at Memphis is Lebby doesn't work out. I know that he'd come to Starkville. I was always told that he loved it here. That said, he'd no doubt leave for something better in a few years but that's fine. It means he did well.
I just don't know what he brings in terms of offense. He's winning is all I know. Is he running the offense/ calling plays/ relfense?..
Obviously there are likely bigger names but he's someone we could get and quickly with hc experience, familiarity with msu and the state, etc.
I'm going to continue watching.
If we pulled him, I feel the southern fans would be like the UM fans currently.

Charles Huff didn't work for Mullen. He came to State from Penn State with Moorhead. Not sure where you got he's from the Mullen tree

 

[Maroon13]

Charles Huff didn't work for Mullen. He came to State from Penn State with Moorhead. Not sure where you got he's from the Mullen tree

Yeah. My co-worker, his kid was a DL and visited while Moorhead/Huff was at State, spring 2019.

He said the recruits there that day loved Moorhead. But huff told him that his son (6-1, was too small to play dl in the sec. Huff left for Bama a few weeks later. His kid went on to play at Louisville for 5 years and Notre Dame this year.