I know the Stansbury talk has been excessive here, but I have a question

jlat13

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I like Rick as our coach fine and think overall he does a good job. He brings in quality talent every year although we seem to have trouble keeping it here but that is besides the point. My real problem is zone offense. It has probably been discussed but I'm just curious. At the beginning of the game Ole Miss was in a zone and we were shooting lights out and built up a 25-12 lead. But give credit for Kennedy not giving up on the zone, because he knew it would eventually work to their favor. I was surprised considering our lineup that Ole Miss ran a zone, but I don't know why i was surprised. I think most teams haven't run a zone against us because of our four guard lineup so this problem has been masked this year so far. We have absolutely no offense against a zone. None and we never have under Stans. I don't understand it. We pass the ball around the three point line and make little dribble jabs into the defense then just pass it to the person to their side and they do the same until about six on the shot clock and we throw up a contested three. The elbow was wide open yesterday, have some people penetrate all the way through the zone, get it to the elbow and kick it out or dump it down to the block when someone from the bottom comes to defend. I don't know, its just very aggravating to watch team look that lost offensively against a zone every year.
 

fishwater99

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Stans can not make in game adjustments, he has proven that time and time again over his 10 years at MSU.
Why make an adjustment, why call a Time-out to stop momentum when there is a TV timeout coming in two minutes.
Why change your sub patterns when they are not working, why play big if playing small is not working?
Just keep on shooting the 3 pointers, they have to go in sometime, right...
Why do you need offensive plays and in bounds plays when you run the motion offense.

AK was the better coach on Saturday...

We will live and die by the three-pointer with this four guard lineup, and Saturday we died...
 
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I'm not sure if I'd consider that an in game adjustment. Just simply spend one day before the season teaching the team how to attack the zone. When you see the zone, do this. I don't know, it's just frustrating to be so ineffective at times on the offensive end.
 

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And of course if we had made even one more three we could have won. Fish and coach are not going to change but they sure know a lot about basketball. I can't for the life of me understand why they are not coaching div.1A. we made the shots against Bama and Vandy and didn't Saturday. If we collapse the rest of the way, I'll give them some credit, but until then, I'll be glad we have Stans.
 
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Well, I think the real problem is, someone needs to spend a day teaching the staff how to attack a zone. Even when our guys seem to be doing what they're told, and are running some kind of set, it makes you think, "what the f*** are we even trying to do". I cringe everytime we try that damn ball screen up top. Don't get me wrong, I think the staff is good some things (recruiting, defense, rebounding, toughness), but offense, and specifically zone offense are just awful.
 

fishwater99

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[b said:
Dawgbreeze[/b]]And of course if we had made even one more three we could have won. Fish and coach are not going to change but they sure know a lot about basketball. I can't for the life of me understand why they are not coaching div.1A. we made the shots against Bama and Vandy and didn't Saturday. If we collapse the rest of the way, I'll give them some credit, but until then, I'll be glad we have Stans.
I take it you are not familiar with sarcasm...
Maybe you should re-read my post..

I know more about basketball than you think, I can't speak for coach b/c I don't know his background.
 

Indndawg

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best thing Stans could do sit there, encourage team, sub every now and then, and have a Gatoraide.
 

Hanmudog

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Sure I was pissed to lost to Ole Miss. Still am. However if everyone will settle down and see what we were playing with against them then maybe we were lucky to even have had a chance to win. We had virtually no big men thanks to Bailey and Johnson being morons. They hurt us big time by getting suspended. It would not surprise me one bit for us to go up to Oxford and return the favor. How many of you thought we would be 4-2 in the SEC at this point after the loss at home to Charlotte? Not me that's for damn sure.
 

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Cunningham or Kirby? Maybe Grant? We need someone that can make those adjustments for us.

The other thing is, and this has been harped on- we are just too small in the four guard lineup. We can't rebound, and as good as Jarvis is at blocking shots, he's not exactly Dennis Rodman on the boards. Plus, and I think this affects him a lot as far as rebounding- he is basically going one on two every time because we have no power forward. We need another big body that can help him out.
 

Hanmudog

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You serious Clark? I did not realize we had co-ordinators in basketball. I agree that we are going a bit too small but Stans had no choice against Ole Miss with Bailey and Johnson suspended. Augustus and Osby did not rebound worth two turds when they were in the game either.
 

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And we could've played Osby and Augustus more than we did. We could've played bigger than we did but nope... let's stick with 4 guards and continue to get killed on the boards and jack up 26 footers.
 
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I don't think going small is that bad an idea, you go with what you have. If you do go small, you have to play to your strengths, you don't go small, and try to play half court basketball. And you have to adjust to what's happening in the game. If they slow it down and you can't find a way to speed up the game, you have to do something else. When we jumped out early and had them rattled, we should have been all over them, pressing, trying to create turnovers, pushing the ball, we only really pressed when we were down late. Instead we let them slow it down to a pace they were comfortable with and they took control. In a half court offense, we look lost most times. Its not new this year, we just don't play like a well coached team, on offense or in transition (defense is another story), and thats what people get pissed at. I know there are no cood's in bball, but we really could use an assisstant who understood offense.
 

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I can still remember playing Syracuse when Gary Ervin was here in New York and it was the same thing. It was just magnified because we had a moron for a PG. I'm not killing Stansbury or anything like that I'm simply asking how we never know what to do if someone runs a zone.

I am not a basketball coach and do not claim to be one, but I do know after ten years experience on a job I would have identified my weakness and ATTEMPTED to do something about it. Thats my main problem. Try something new against the zone and if it flops oh well. I can remember at least ten plays from my high school days that would be more effective against the zone.

I just think that someone on our staff could surely come up with something. If the 2-3 zone was that complex to figure out everyone would run it. It is a good defense in certain cases, but it shouldn't completely shut your offense down as is the case with us.
 

fishwater99

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Stans is in love with the 4 guards and either has no clue how to attack a zone or can not get his players to execute it.
Billy G is going to zone us and dare our guards to beat them.
Patterson and Meeks will both have big nights....
I hate playing UK on their floor.
 

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fishwater99 said:
[b said:
Dawgbreeze[/b]]And of course if we had made even one more three we could have won. Fish and coach are not going to change but they sure know a lot about basketball. I can't for the life of me understand why they are not coaching div.1A. we made the shots against Bama and Vandy and didn't Saturday. If we collapse the rest of the way, I'll give them some credit, but until then, I'll be glad we have Stans.
I take it you are not familiar with sarcasm...
Maybe you should re-read my post..

<span style="font-weight: bold;">I know more about basketball than you think</span>, I can't speak for coach b/c I don't know his background.
that's still not necessarily a lot... hehe...
 

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Hanmudog said:
You serious Clark? I did not realize we had co-ordinators in basketball. I agree that we are going a bit too small but Stans had no choice against Ole Miss
with Bailey and Johnson suspended. Augustus and Osby did not rebound worth two turds when they were in the game either.

that one of the two- either Kirby or Cunningham were more responsible for the offense. That would seem to make sense to me. Maybe we do it differently.
 

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I believe their coaching duties are divided by player positions rather than offense/defense.