Pro day but had not read an article about it.
http://fansided.com/2014/04/25/nfl-...assing-clinic-patriots-packers-chiefs/#!Gl51S
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I know we talked about Tyler Russell's...
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I really hope he gets a chance and succeeds in the NFL. He is/was a great a Bulldawg who put team first in everything he did.
I'm a huge TR fan, but he wasn't one of those guys that ascended when $h!t hit the fan. He's the type guy that has all the physical tools and looks good in practice, but lacks that "it" factor when the lights are at their brightest. All of his "best" performances are in loses, and his signature wins are against average competition or worse. That's not entirely his fault because there were some dropped passes in key situations that could have changed this perception. That being said, I hope he can prove me wrong and become the next Tom Brady.
Yeah no doubt. I think he can make a roster in the NFL, because of the premium placed on QBs today.
To me, most of that is explained by him just not being quick to make the read and not having a quick release. Against lesser pass rushes (or in a pro day setting), he can absolutely pick a defense apart. But when he gets pressure, he's not quick enough to make the correct read and release the ball.
TR's legacy is a victim of his hype. Had he lost that state championship and/or not taken an OV to USC to see the QB kang at the last minute I think people's expectations would have been a little more tame.
I'm not in the group who thinks pocket passers can't work in Dan's system. He's proved otherwise during his career. But TR lacked raw athletic ability which could have been made up with flight instinct, but he lacked that too. Joe Blow could have been the coach and I think we'd have the same end result, except he would have started every game he was available for for 4 years and fans would resent him at this point for being the all-time leader in all the bad stats (good stats too, but our fans suck when acknowledging people's pros).
There's no shame in his college career. Arm for arm he's better than some of the best, and he's got a good head on his shoulders. If he decides to make football a career I don't think he's going to have a problem getting a tryout, becoming a GA/coach, or getting a job with an IMG type clinic. If he decides to hang up the cleats, he's one of the most well respected individuals from our football team in recent history and I don't think he'll have a hard time convincing some MSU fan to hire him.
I'm not in the group who thinks pocket passers can't work in Dan's system. He's proved otherwise during his career. But TR lacked raw athletic ability which could have been made up with flight instinct, but he lacked that too. Joe Blow could have been the coach and I think we'd have the same end result, except he would have started every game he was available for for 4 years and fans would resent him at this point for being the all-time leader in all the bad stats (good stats too, but our fans suck when acknowledging people's pros).
There's no shame in his college career. Arm for arm he's better than some of the best, and he's got a good head on his shoulders. If he decides to make football a career I don't think he's going to have a problem getting a tryout, becoming a GA/coach, or getting a job with an IMG type clinic. If he decides to hang up the cleats, he's one of the most well respected individuals from our football team in recent history and I don't think he'll have a hard time convincing some MSU fan to hire him.
Still not positive his hesitancy wasn't largely due to not having a full complement of SEC quality receivers. He did great against teams where our WR were equal or better and struggled otherwise, so I have some hope that when he's playing with NFL wide receivers, he'll be able to puull the trigger more quickly.
I think he has the tools and ability. His best situation would be to get with a team that had a solid veteran to be an understudy for a couple of years. As much as I like the guy I really hope he doesn't get shoved into playing too quickly. He also needs to be in a system that he would be a good fit in.
Alex Smith. And he was athletic and had a sense of flight. Pass first, run when the pocket collapses.
Andrew Luck is one of the most underrated athletes at the QB position. A guy with his mold would work at a State under Mullen. Colt McCoy even.
If we're going to have a pocket passer at State, he has to have some lateral movement. TR did not.
ETA: Hate to say it, but Bo Wallace. He doesn't have to be Tebow. He just has to be a threat.
Andrew Luck is one of the most underrated athletes at the QB position. A guy with his mold would work at a State under Mullen. Colt McCoy even.
If we're going to have a pocket passer at State, he has to have some lateral movement. TR did not.
ETA: Hate to say it, but Bo Wallace. He doesn't have to be Tebow. He just has to be a threat.
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Are you saying Alex Smith isn't a "pocket passer"? You're calling him a "dual threat"? I don't know if you remember watching that Utah team but if a guy wasn't open on the first read he'd run from the pocket up and tip toe to the marker. He wasn't gutting up the middle. I call that an athletic pocket passer (Bo Wallace). If you agree with that assessment, we'll agree to disagree.
I'm not saying he didn't have designed plays... But he's a pocket passer. TR was never a threat to pick up yards with his legs. Ever.
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He carried on average 140 times a year. Those aren't broken plays, they are designed runs. Hell yes, he was a dual threat quarterback.
https://rivals.yahoo.com/utah/football/recruiting/player-Alex-Smith-7573
https://rivals.yahoo.com/utah/football/recruiting/player-Alex-Smith-7573
Besides, how much credit does a QB coach get?
Especially under the offensive guru? If Dak breaks out will all the credit go to whoever the hell your QB coach is?
and yes, Smith was a dual threat QB.
Especially under the offensive guru? If Dak breaks out will all the credit go to whoever the hell your QB coach is?
and yes, Smith was a dual threat QB.
A pocket passer who runs. If he was a dual threat he'd be running designed running plays at the next level (that pistol walk-in TD where he faked a handoff to Charles who wasn't there) in the NFL and would have flamed out and become a high school coach by now. He continues to make his living on his athleticism, and I don't necessarily consider that dual-threat. Steve Young-ish.
TR got designed running plays too... He just sucked at them. Which is really my point here, a pocket passer can and will work under Mullen. He just has to represent a threat (a Colt McCoy type). No one in the country was worried about TR scrambling or going up the middle. I'm pretty sure that's the first thing other teams discussed when they scouted our film last year.
ETA: Looked up highlights and every single one of them is him running in a TD at the pylon from the 5 yard line or selling out in a 4 receiver set and running forward standing straight up. Athletic pocket passer.
TR got designed running plays too... He just sucked at them. Which is really my point here, a pocket passer can and will work under Mullen. He just has to represent a threat (a Colt McCoy type). No one in the country was worried about TR scrambling or going up the middle. I'm pretty sure that's the first thing other teams discussed when they scouted our film last year.
ETA: Looked up highlights and every single one of them is him running in a TD at the pylon from the 5 yard line or selling out in a 4 receiver set and running forward standing straight up. Athletic pocket passer.
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Athletic pocket passer aka a dual threat QB. What is the difference between Dan Marino, Peyton Manning and Alex Smith, Andrew Luck? Marino and Luck are pure pocket passer who never runs. Smith and Luck are guys who you have to defend the run, therefore are a dual threat.
Considering how much Dan made Russell run...
It's not a stretch to say a more athletics pocket passer in Dan's system could run that much.
I would like to point out that your argument is the same one your nemesis always uses.
It's not a stretch to say a more athletics pocket passer in Dan's system could run that much.
I would like to point out that your argument is the same one your nemesis always uses.
A pocket passer that runs? You mean a guy who presented more than one threat? Perhaps dual threats?
This is just sad. You are trying to convince yourself that a guy that Meyer and Mullen recruited to run a zone read offense, that Rivals labeled a dual threat quarterback, that carried the ball only 50 less times in 2 years than Ladarius Perkins did the past two seasons isn't a dual threat quarterback. I feel bad for you.
This is just sad. You are trying to convince yourself that a guy that Meyer and Mullen recruited to run a zone read offense, that Rivals labeled a dual threat quarterback, that carried the ball only 50 less times in 2 years than Ladarius Perkins did the past two seasons isn't a dual threat quarterback. I feel bad for you.
