I mentioned this on Twitter during the game...
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My problem is he's playing on our dime....when he's lost enough that he finally understands the game he'll haul arse.
I checked out after that play. Done. Went and spent some time with my Dad. Life is too damn short to spend it watching and listening to this broken record.
Anyone on this board and any peewee coach in the nation already knows to take the points there.
It's also basic decision making to always defer when you win the toss. It's the only situation where you can grab two straight possessions in a game. But of course, we continually choose the ball when we win the toss. It's frustrating.
Really thought the same thing - just take the damn points and get within a score. If the offense was clearly and obviously rolling, then maybe you really think about it. But 4th and 5 and it’s obvious 50/50 at best? Take the points and you don’t have to have HC experience to know what to do there. We just don’t have the dudes on the O-line to gamble there.
What we need to do is put it all on the line early in the game against a national title contender. Because, as we all know, showtime can make up the points later against these NFL defenders. Not to mention our superior depth advantage.
All that we are risking is deflating our team ego, giving points away, and knowing the SEC refs will give us 4-5 calls since we are at home (despite playing a top 4 playoff SEC team)
Clearly us Monday Morning Coaches are playing checkers and Coach Lebby is playing 5 dimensional chess. Outstanding offensive coordinator that might be a great head coach one day, but not this season.
At the time, and given the score, the right call is to kick and take the points.
Probably not. But much better chance than turning ball over on downs.
I wish someone would pay me 4.5 mil to learn on the job.
He's literally in that coaching no man's land. Can't pay him enough to be OC but not even close to being ready as a game time HC. Never had to think like that before.
Yeah, we should all know by now how this deal works
Head coaches are being paid generational money to do a job that most can only dream about, and then to put the sweet a$$ cherry on the top, there's no such thing as failure any longer due to the insane amount of cash they're also getting paid to walk away.
When you're winning, few questions are asked
When you're losing, everything you do is under a microscope, especially when you have a tendency to go against the grain
It's the job these guys signed up for and that they're getting paid handsomely to do, so either find a way to win or you get what you get. I really don't have any remorse anymore whatsoever
I'm rapidly becoming convinced that all he does is run over the scripted first possession over and over again at practice. Therefore, we score a touchdown and he says Showtime, forgetting there's another 3/4.
You obviously can’t say for certain on if he makes or misses the FG, or what would have happened after.
But what you CAN say for certain is that we had a 75-80% chance at scoring 3 points there and making it a one score game before the half.
What you CAN say for certain is what we did do went against all odds and percentages in football.
What you CAN say for certain is that even if it worked, we still had to gain another 20 yards to make a very unnecessary gamble payoff.
What you CAN say for certain is what we actually chose to do failed miserably, and that it gave UGA all the momentum right before the half when we knew they were getting the ball first in the 3rd.
This is revisionist history at its finest. Up to that point, UGA had two TD drives in the game.
The first one went only 27 yards after Shapen coughed it up in our territory.
The second one went 90 yards in 13 plays, and chewed up almost 7 minutes off the clock. And oh yeah, that drive where UGA had the ball over 7 minutes was the one RIGHT BEFORE we make the dumb 4th down call….on a drive where we had the ball only 2 minutes. So that makes it even worse. We kick and make the FG, there’s a commercial break, a kickoff, and some more rest time for a tired defense. Instead, they go right back out there while gassed, and face a 2-min offense in hurry up mode. Just terrible.
Their other 2 drives were a FG and a fumble. They had exactly one drive the entire game up to that point that went the length of the field for a TD, and it took 7 minutes. This notion that they were guaranteed to do that in only 2 minutes regardless is nonsense.
Nobody is saying that.
Except he wasn’t guaranteed the TD even if it worked. Stupid.
If my aunt had balls….
He needs to play defense with his defense, and not his offense. Stop overthinking.
Or 24-14. Or 24-7 (like it was). Or 20-7. Or 24-10 / 17-10 with a needless gamble in the middle.
Has nothing to do with liking or not liking him. MSU fans are going to pick apart dumb things that MSU coaches do. Vandy fans are going to do the same for Lea. I guarantee you that plenty of neutral observers thought that Lebby’s decision was dumb.
Serious question: examples other than the non-challenge vs Houston?
I'm old and my memory is failing.
The multiple fake punts, some of them in their own side of the 50, the end of the LSU game comes to mind.
He was horrific at clock management and timeouts. It got better as the years went by.
Maybe if it's 17-10 Bledsoe doesn't poop down his leg on 4th and 3 when Georgia was likely to just punt the ball and call it a half.
His percentage is low, but what about is attempts?
The 3 misses were: botched snap, questionable but likely a little right, and blocked.
There easily could have been 2-3 more attempts this season barring coaching decisions.
Mullen called good plays at the end of the LSU game in 2009, but the players didn't execute. It happens. Lee should have pitched it to Dixon for the win and didn't.
Nothing nearly as bad as Lebby's issues this year, and trying to equate them is historical revisionism.
At no point did anyone on this board even talk about the possibility firing Mullen until 2013, and even that was a small minority. Lebby has lost half of the fanbase. Mullen never did.
He actually said in the post game they went in with the mindset that needing 7 in plus territory they would be going for it. His mindset was all or nothing. The problem is, if you only get 3 yds on the first 3 plays, you really aren't likely to get the 7 on 4th.
I just searched through the Game Logs of our entire 2009 season and couldn't find a single time we turned it over on downs after a fake punt.
There were a few turnovers on downs, but those are going for it at the end of 4th quarter against LSU (twice), the play where Tyson Lee was incorrectly ruled to be past the line against Houston when he wasn't, and a few more times in SEC games where it was clearly the offense staying on the field, not a fake punt.
Couldn't find one in 2010 either. There were a few failed 4th down conversions, but all were with the offense out on the field, not the punting team.
Ok you win.
Kuddos to you for putting that much effort into proving me wrong. Just an absolute clinic.
Don't forget the 2009 LSU game where we had 1st and goal at the 1 and we run a jump pass and two QB sneaks with a 170 lb 5'11" QB when you had a 250 lb beast in AD in the backfield
That's not how it went:
1st down - Dixon stuffed
2nd down - Dixon stuffed (and debatably did get in, but not conclusive)
3rd down - Jump pass (receiver was open, but Lee didn't throw it high enough)
4th down - Option, but Lee kept it instead of pitching it
I think there is another guy that checked out after that stupid decision. And I don't blame him.
I think Mullen was arguably a better game day coach when he started and got worse as he got the program where he wanted it to be and wasn't as creative. Outside of the Houston game, I don't recall a lot of dumb young coach issues.