I rented a Tesla on my trip to NY

Bulldog Bruce

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I went to NY this past weekend because I was being inducted into the inaugural group of my High School's Sports Hall of Fame. I decided to rent an EV and got a Tesla Model 3. Flew into LGA on Friday and was staying with my cousin in Lake Ronkonkoma which is about 47 miles. On Saturday I had to drive to Floral Park, about 41 miles, and back. Then back to LGA on Sunday.
Started at 100% charge and it was a slow drive with 5 pm traffic from the city to Eastern LI. Took 1.5 hours and got the charge down to 75. I went to a Tesla Supercharger Saturday morning and it took 1 hour 40 minutes to get it back to 95 percent and cost about $23. So did my Saturday travel to FP and back and it got down to 62. I was supposed to return to Hertz with a full charge so I found a super charger about 37 miles into the Trip back to LGA. It only took 1 hour to go from 38 to 100 this time. It defaulted to 80 percent since it was a high volume charge station but was pretty easy with the app to bump it to 100. Not sure what the cost was on that fillup.

So, I was impressed with the car itself in the technology and speed. The acceleration is very cool. I used the navigation everywhere because it's been a long time since I drove the area. It was very impressive along with the screen showing all that is going on around you.

For a rental car it was tricky at first because not everything is intuitive for how you are used to interfacing with a car. I wasn't sure how to get it into Park the first time I stopped. Definitely better to get the phone app than just use the backup key card. Again not very intuitive, but I am a programmer for 40 years and was able to get it working but it took time. I actually had to approve a firmware upgrade during the trip which made the car not usable for 55 minutes. I did figure out cruise control but could not figure out how to increase the speed other than stopping it and setting it again at the new speed. Adjusting side mirrors was weird in that left and right was toggling the little round button on the steering wheel but up and down was using the scroll wheel on that button.

One more thing that was very annoying. On the Sunday drive to LGA it had snowed 6 inches during the night. The road folks did a great job and the roads had all been plowed but they obviously where still wet. I am on 495 and the cars are putting the grimy water into the air on the windshield. The wipers seemed to be totally automatic. So I found how to clean the windshield. But then the wipers would come back on just enough to spread the grimy water all over the windshield and I had to run the washer again. I could not turn it off and only run the wipers when I wanted to. There might be a way, but I didn't want to figure it out at 65 mph. The warning for low washer fluid came on as I got back to Hertz.

The conclusion is that I would not rent one again because that necessary charging time on such a short trip is a nuisance. It took up time that I could have done some reminiscing and visiting old stomping grounds. Instead I had to be sure to give myself enough lead time to be sure I could make my appointments on time. If you owned it and had a home charger it would be a little better. It is just a specific tool for doing specific tasks. It is not a do it all tool.
 
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I went to NY this past weekend because I was being inducted into the inaugural group of my High School's Sports Hall of Fame. I decided to rent an EV and got a Tesla Model 3. Flew into LGA on Friday and was staying with my cousin in Lake Ronkonkoma which is about 47 miles. On Saturday I had to drive to Floral Park, about 41 miles, and back. Then back to LGA on Sunday.
Started at 100% charge and it was a slow drive with 5 pm traffic from the city to Eastern LI. Took 1.5 hours and got the charge down to 75. I went to a Tesla Supercharger Saturday morning and it took 1 hour 40 minutes to get it back to 95 percent and cost about $23. So did my Saturday travel to FP and back and it got down to 62. I was supposed to return to Hertz with a full charge so I found a super charger about 37 miles into the Trip back to LGA. It only took 1 hour to go from 38 to 100 this time. It defaulted to 80 percent since it was a high volume charge station but was pretty easy with the app to bump it to 100. Not sure what the cost was on that fillup.

So, I was impressed with the car itself in the technology and speed. The acceleration is very cool. I used the navigation everywhere because it's been a long time since I drove the area. It was very impressive along with the screen showing all that is going on around you.

For a rental car it was tricky at first because not everything is intuitive for how you are used to interfacing with a car. I want sure how to get it into Park the first time I stopped. Definitely better to get the phone app than just use the backup key card. Again not very intuitive, but I am a programmer for 40 years and was able to get it working but it took time. I actually had to approve a firmware upgrade during the trip which made the car not usable for 55 minutes. I did figure out cruise control but could not figure out how to increase the speed other than stopping it and setting it again at the new speed. Adjusting side mirrors was weird in that left and right was toggling the little round button on the steering wheel but up and down was using the scroll wheel on that button.

The conclusion is that I would not rent one again because that necessary charging time on such a short trip is a nuisance. It took up time that I could have done some reminiscing and visiting old stomping grounds. Instead I had to be sure to give myself enough lead time to be sure I could make my appointments on time. If you owned it and had a home charger it would be a little better. It is just a specific tool for doing specific tasks. It is not a do it all tool.
Great info!
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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My son-in-law has one, and I had much the same impression you had the first time I rode in it. I can see the advantages of having an electric car, but I would not want to charge them continually as you pointed out. It's not that I'm above having one. I don't like having the first few versions of anything. I'd rather wait until they've been developed for about 10 years.
 

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. I don't like having the first few versions of anything. I'd rather wait until they've been developed for about 10 years.
this is a great strategy. Let others deal with working out the bugs & for the promised battery, charging & infrastructure improvements. Same reason I never buy the first generation of any new car or the 1st year of any new generation.
 

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I rented one recently. Got it with 100% charge. Drove a little, had about 85% left when I was headed back to the airport the next day. Stopped at two charging places (they were not Tesla specific) and both had all spots occupied by vehicles that were not charging. I returned the car as is, and was not charged anything additional.
 

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I went to NY this past weekend because I was being inducted into the inaugural group of my High School's Sports Hall of Fame. I decided to rent an EV and got a Tesla Model 3. Flew into LGA on Friday and was staying with my cousin in Lake Ronkonkoma which is about 47 miles. On Saturday I had to drive to Floral Park, about 41 miles, and back. Then back to LGA on Sunday.
Started at 100% charge and it was a slow drive with 5 pm traffic from the city to Eastern LI. Took 1.5 hours and got the charge down to 75. I went to a Tesla Supercharger Saturday morning and it took 1 hour 40 minutes to get it back to 95 percent and cost about $23. So did my Saturday travel to FP and back and it got down to 62. I was supposed to return to Hertz with a full charge so I found a super charger about 37 miles into the Trip back to LGA. It only took 1 hour to go from 38 to 100 this time. It defaulted to 80 percent since it was a high volume charge station but was pretty easy with the app to bump it to 100. Not sure what the cost was on that fillup.

So, I was impressed with the car itself in the technology and speed. The acceleration is very cool. I used the navigation everywhere because it's been a long time since I drove the area. It was very impressive along with the screen showing all that is going on around you.

For a rental car it was tricky at first because not everything is intuitive for how you are used to interfacing with a car. I wasn't sure how to get it into Park the first time I stopped. Definitely better to get the phone app than just use the backup key card. Again not very intuitive, but I am a programmer for 40 years and was able to get it working but it took time. I actually had to approve a firmware upgrade during the trip which made the car not usable for 55 minutes. I did figure out cruise control but could not figure out how to increase the speed other than stopping it and setting it again at the new speed. Adjusting side mirrors was weird in that left and right was toggling the little round button on the steering wheel but up and down was using the scroll wheel on that button.

One more thing that was very annoying. On the Sunday drive to LGA it had snowed 6 inches during the night. The road folks did a great job and the roads had all been plowed but they obviously where still wet. I am on 495 and the cars are putting the grimy water into the air on the windshield. The wipers seemed to be totally automatic. So I found how to clean the windshield. But then the wipers would come back on just enough to spread the grimy water all over the windshield and I had to run the washer again. I could not turn it off and only run the wipers when I wanted to. There might be a way, but I didn't want to figure it out at 65 mph. The warning for low washer fluid came on as I got back to Hertz.

The conclusion is that I would not rent one again because that necessary charging time on such a short trip is a nuisance. It took up time that I could have done some reminiscing and visiting old stomping grounds. Instead I had to be sure to give myself enough lead time to be sure I could make my appointments on time. If you owned it and had a home charger it would be a little better. It is just a specific tool for doing specific tasks. It is not a do it all tool.
This is going to make me sound like a moron but Rented an EV once off Turo to scoot over to New Orleans for the weekend. Can’t remember the make, Toyota maybe? Holy sh-it did not realize how long those things took to charge. Also didn’t realize only certain charging stations work for certain cars even if the plug fits. Thought I was charging it at station in Rouses parking lot for 5 hours while I was doing things to come back and find out it wasn’t charging it at all even though the green charge light was on. Then had to drive around town for 45 minutes to find one that charged the car I rented. Was an absolute nightmare.

Ended up having to extend the rental an extra day because I didn’t anticipate that.
Will never rent one again. Juice not worth the squeeze.
 
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IBleedMaroonDawg

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this is a great strategy. Let others deal with working out the bugs & for the promised battery, charging & infrastructure improvements. Same reason I never buy the first generation of any new car or the 1st year of any new generation.
It is the battery that worries me more than anything. I have a feeling that the version of the battery they have now is going to be replaced within five years..
 

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Just another perspective as an owner of a Model 3 for 6 years now. I have no idea what is wrong with the Super Charger you stopped at, but I get 30MPH charge per hour with my dryer outlet. 75% to 95% would be about how long that would take with the home charger. Most of the new Super Chargers will dump in over 1000 miles an hour (I can convert to KW, but MPH are easier to understand) based on the level of the battery.

There is a manual mode for the windshield wipers.

At least in Florida, planning for a charge is a near non event. Besides the fact the map will plan it for you, if you head down 75 you can’t go too far without finding an exit with a charger.

That being said, there is a learning curve and I would not rent a non Tesla product just because of the charging infrastructure and time it takes to charge. EV’s are not right for every situation, but I would only trade mine for another one at this point.

If you go back and look, many thought when I first posted the purchase, the car was disposable after 5 years, but I still have rover 90% of original range. Many Model 3’s are still going strong after 200,000 miles on he same battery with almost zero maintenance cost.
 

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One more thought. With the increased technology in all cars, one rental strategy is to rent the car you own, or very close to it. I did that in Detroit last summer. Made it much easier to drive an unfamiliar urban freeway system at night when I knew the car like the back of my hand. Either that or rent the car you're thinking about buying.
 

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Just another perspective as an owner of a Model 3 for 6 years now. I have no idea what is wrong with the Super Charger you stopped at, but I get 30MPH charge per hour with my dryer outlet. 75% to 95% would be about how long that would take with the home charger. Most of the new Super Chargers will dump in over 1000 miles an hour (I can convert to KW, but MPH are easier to understand) based on the level of the battery.

There is a manual mode for the windshield wipers.

At least in Florida, planning for a charge is a near non event. Besides the fact the map will plan it for you, if you head down 75 you can’t go too far without finding an exit with a charger.

That being said, there is a learning curve and I would not rent a non Tesla product just because of the charging infrastructure and time it takes to charge. EV’s are not right for every situation, but I would only trade mine for another one at this point.

If you go back and look, many thought when I first posted the purchase, the car was disposable after 5 years, but I still have rover 90% of original range. Many Model 3’s are still going strong after 200,000 miles on he same battery with almost zero maintenance cost.
I have read that supercharging kills the battery. So if you’re constantly charging at home, your battery should last a long time. All these rental teslas that are being rented for uber/lyft use are getting supercharged two times daily and their batteries are going to be toast. No clue if that’s right or if Uber drivers are actually renting teslas (can you constantly change cars? I thought they had to approve the car)
 
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Just another perspective as an owner of a Model 3 for 6 years now. I have no idea what is wrong with the Super Charger you stopped at, but I get 30MPH charge per hour with my dryer outlet. 75% to 95% would be about how long that would take with the home charger. Most of the new Super Chargers will dump in over 1000 miles an hour (I can convert to KW, but MPH are easier to understand) based on the level of the battery.

There is a manual mode for the windshield wipers.

At least in Florida, planning for a charge is a near non event. Besides the fact the map will plan it for you, if you head down 75 you can’t go too far without finding an exit with a charger.

That being said, there is a learning curve and I would not rent a non Tesla product just because of the charging infrastructure and time it takes to charge. EV’s are not right for every situation, but I would only trade mine for another one at this point.

If you go back and look, many thought when I first posted the purchase, the car was disposable after 5 years, but I still have rover 90% of original range. Many Model 3’s are still going strong after 200,000 miles on he same battery with almost zero maintenance cost.
Curious how often you’ve replaced tires?
 

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When I drive other vehicles it always makes me appreciate GM engineering for interiors. I'm 5'11 175 and my Z71 fits me like a glove, doesn't hurt my back on long trips and all the controls are simple and where they are supposed to be. I can't imagine worrying about my battery running down when I really needed it. Makes me wonder how many of these go dead on the road or in a parking lot?
 

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I bought a Tesla 2 months ago - the Model Y Performance. I was very anti-EV until I started crunching numbers on fuel and then test drove one. The Tesla is the best vehicle I've ever owned - it's easy and just fun as **** to drive. I drive 120+ miles a day for work commute so it makes sense for me. I was spending $350-$400 a month in gas but now spending about $100 in electricity.

I had a home charger installed and I never worry about battery. All I have to do is plug it in when I get home. But as far as long trips are concerned I'm not 100% sure I'd want to take it just do to the frequent charging stops. I haven't gone more than a 150 mile trip so that's still tbd.

Having said that, my wife drives an ICE SUV and I'm not sure I'd want to have 2 EV's just in case of a long power outage or some cataclysmic event.
 

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Can't find a clip but this is the perfect spot for Seinfeld's:

"When we get in a rental car at the airport, we get on the highway going 75 mph, and THEN we start figuring out how to actually operate the vehicle."
 

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Someone essplain me this. There is an alternator on gas powered cars that keeps the battery charged. How has Tesla not figured out how to do similar? I know that the rotation of the motor supplies the alternator what it needs, but a Tesla has wheels that turn. Seems they could harness that.
 
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Someone essplain me this. There is an alternator on gas powered cars that keeps the battery charged. How has Tesla not figured out how to do similar? I know that the rotation of the motor supplies the alternator what it needs, but a Tesla has wheels that turn. Seems they could harness that.
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Hydrogen cars are the future. A standard connector for fill up or setting a standard for fuel cells will allow fast turnaround and you won't be facing a $15,000 fee to replace your batteries. Water vapor is the emissions.
 

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Someone essplain me this. There is an alternator on gas powered cars that keeps the battery charged. How has Tesla not figured out how to do similar? I know that the rotation of the motor supplies the alternator what it needs, but a Tesla has wheels that turn. Seems they could harness that.
They do, that's why they get better mileage in the city than on the highway.
 

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Someone essplain me this. There is an alternator on gas powered cars that keeps the battery charged. How has Tesla not figured out how to do similar? I know that the rotation of the motor supplies the alternator what it needs, but a Tesla has wheels that turn. Seems they could harness that.
very different kinds of batteries. I don't know if it's possible to have a big enough alternator to charge an EV battery, that'd be a question for Elon's folks
 

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Hydrogen cars are the future. A standard connector for fill up or setting a standard for fuel cells will allow fast turnaround and you won't be facing a $15,000 fee to replace your batteries. Water vapor is the emissions.
The sounded promising a few years ago. But I think they've hit some pretty big roadblocks. One of which would be producing and storing the hydrogen efficiently, economically and safely.
 

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Hydrogen cars are the future. A standard connector for fill up or setting a standard for fuel cells will allow fast turnaround and you won't be facing a $15,000 fee to replace your batteries. Water vapor is the emissions.
I was tangentially involved in a project at State involving hydrogen-fueled cars in 2003. Hydrogen was the future then, too.
 
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Someone essplain me this. There is an alternator on gas powered cars that keeps the battery charged. How has Tesla not figured out how to do similar? I know that the rotation of the motor supplies the alternator what it needs, but a Tesla has wheels that turn. Seems they could harness that.
Teslas use regenerative braking, which returns some power to the battery when you take your foot off the accelerator.

You seem to be looking for a perpetual motion machine. You cannot take energy from the battery to accelerate the car and simultaneously return that energy to the battery.

We'll, I guess you COULD, but you would lose energy in the process and drain the battery even faster.
 
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Someone essplain me this. There is an alternator on gas powered cars that keeps the battery charged. How has Tesla not figured out how to do similar? I know that the rotation of the motor supplies the alternator what it needs, but a Tesla has wheels that turn. Seems they could harness that.
Basically what I understand in a simplistic term is the electricity can only flow one way. So if it is being used it can't take any in. When you take your foot off the accelerator and stop the outflow it can now take inflow.

Because I always wondered like with the old bicycle light that had a little shaft you would drop on the front tire and it would generate electricity for the head light, why you can't have a generator on each rotating shaft to generate power and extend the battery charge. But it seems the battery can't accept this energy as it is expending energy.
 

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I was supposed to return to Hertz with a full charge
This is why you shouldn't buy a used EV from a rental place. For battery maintenance, you are supposed to keep it between 20 and 80%. Going up or down a little won't hurt it much if it's not done very frequently, but you should never go to 100%.
 

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Yeah. Those charging times & 55-minute down time are dealbreakers. If you’re driving locally or short trips & charging at home it might be different. BTW, congratulations.
When you charge to 80% on any fast charger higher than 60 kW, I have never spent m ore than 30 minutes. Usually when I go to a Buccees by the time I go in and go to the bathroom and get a drink, I am almost done. I've actually had to pay before because I couldn't get out in time and I didn't do anything other than what I just mentioned - go to the bathroom and get a drink.

Charging to 100% takes significantly longer and hurts the battery health. If I were to charge to 100%, yeah it would take a long time.
 
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The thought of having to charge/plan a charge gives me a lot of anxiety
I've been to Nashville a few times and an hour east of Atlanta a few times. I've spent a total of about 5 minutes planning charging stops on each trip. I had free charging on Electrify America so I just opened the app and looked up charging stations along the way. Easy peasy.
 

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It is the battery that worries me more than anything. I have a feeling that the version of the battery they have now is going to be replaced within five years..
If your time frame was 10 years, only 4% of those sold in 2015 have had to have their battery replaced. Overall, the number is 2.5%

 

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I bought a Tesla 2 months ago - the Model Y Performance. I was very anti-EV until I started crunching numbers on fuel and then test drove one. The Tesla is the best vehicle I've ever owned - it's easy and just fun as **** to drive. I drive 120+ miles a day for work commute so it makes sense for me. I was spending $350-$400 a month in gas but now spending about $100 in electricity.

I had a home charger installed and I never worry about battery. All I have to do is plug it in when I get home. But as far as long trips are concerned I'm not 100% sure I'd want to take it just do to the frequent charging stops. I haven't gone more than a 150 mile trip so that's still tbd.

Having said that, my wife drives an ICE SUV and I'm not sure I'd want to have 2 EV's just in case of a long power outage or some cataclysmic event.
This is basically my situation. I drive a BMW i4 and a total of 140 miles (at a minimum). I've put 103,000 miles in around 2.5 years. Very little battery loss (maybe 2%). No oil changes, no maintenance to think about. I hope to drive mine until I can no longer get in and out of a car and have to go to an SUV. Even then, I want it to be an EV.
 
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I'm at 103,000 miles on my i4 and replaced them one time. I'm probably about to have to replace them a second time.
That’s solid. Ran into someone the other day who said they were replacing every 20k on average. Perhaps driving style or worse roads where they live?
 
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I drove a Tesla for the first time not long ago. The power and acceleration those cars have are very impressive. Really fun car to drive. I’m several years away from needing a new car but would consider a Tesla for my next vehicle.