I think some of both. I drive up and down highway 45 through West Point up to Saltillo every day. I try to keep it around 60 and don't launch. My first set of tires didn't last as many miles as my second one has, in my mind because I haven't launched. When I first got it, it was kind of a toy I had to show off and I am pretty sure I shortened the life of my tires by doing so.
I rented a Tesla on my trip to NY
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I never take more than 5-8 minutes to fill my gas guzzler, pee & get a water or coffee. Bit your point about only charging to 80% is valid. Problem is you don’t really want it getting below 20% either. So that 300 mile range just became effectively 180 miles.
How many Pintos have you seen on the road these days? I can't recall seeing a single one TBH.
But if you are talking about EVs vs ICE cars vs hybrids, per 100,000 of each hybrids catch fire the most often at 3,500 per 100k sold, followed by ICE cars at about 1,500 per 100,000 ICE cars sold, followed by 25 for EVs for 100,000 EVs sold.
Fire risks of hybrid, EV and ICE cars
Data suggests that hybrid cars are more than twice as likely catch fire as gasoline engine cars
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Pintos were last manufactured in 1980 - how many should I expect to see?How many Pintos have you seen on the road these days? I can't recall seeing a single one TBH.
But if you are talking about EVs vs ICE cars vs hybrids, per 100,000 of each hybrids catch fire the most often at 3,500 per 100k sold, followed by ICE cars at about 1,500 per 100,000 ICE cars sold, followed by 25 for EVs for 100,000 EVs sold.
Fire risks of hybrid, EV and ICE cars
Data suggests that hybrid cars are more than twice as likely catch fire as gasoline engine cars
Sounds like EVs other than tesla death traps are extremely safe - legit appreciate the info.
This is true.
To anyone who is going to look at my posts and say I'm a defender of EVs, I'm not. I'll call out misinformation, or outright lies, but I'll also tell the downsides too. For me, there are a lot of upsides and it makes it worthwhile for me. But there are downsides.
For one, on my first day driving it to work, I started at 80% and got there with 60% in June. When winter hit, I usually got to work with about 53-55%, effectively meaning I couldn't go out to lunch or go back in town when I got home without charging ( I can do one or the other in summer but not both). So cold does affect the range, but a few weeks ago I drove 140 miles to and from work in 8 degree weather. It warmed up some by the afternoon, but it was still freezing.
And most people go through tires quicker than ICE cars. I think the quick acceleration has something to do with that.
One thing I've heard people say (incorrectly) is that you can launch (correct) but it's so heavy you can't stop (not true). I can stop faster with regen braking and friction brakes faster than an ICE car can.
I guess my point was they seem to have selectively picked a model in order to get the stats they wanted.
And it's effective. When I found out my car was on the boat on the way over, a guy who I had worked with heard about me getting an EV and told me he hoped my house didn't burn down.
But think about it - with ICE cars you are literally putting a flammable liquid in your car that you burn in order to get the engine to take you places. It's inherently safe, but it's more prone to fires than EVs. I suspect most EV fires are caused by incorrect amp settings on the car when you are charging. I've never seen any data on that though.
OK, I get that. Why not two batteries? One charges while the other is used. When there is a certain level of charge/usage, a transfer switch of some kind kicks in.
Great review. Sounds like a person can't be in a hurry if they want to rent an electric car, even a Tesla where there are more charging stations.
There are 2 batteries. A 12V battery that's similar to a battery in an ICE car and a high voltage battery. That's why there is no alternator. The 12V battery powers the electronics to charge the big battery, which in turn powers the 12V battery when the car is being driven.
If you are talking about range, the big battery is split into several battery packs. It's not one gigantic battery.
Before changing that 12V battery though, you should make sure you know how or get a dealer to do it. I took mine to Roadshow to get them to do it at 2.5 years for maintenance. They told me someone had disconnected theirs and the high voltage fried all of the electronics in theirs. Very expensive repair!
Changing mine was a little over $500. Only maintnance I've done just so I didn't have to get it towed when the 12V battery does eventually die.
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I think you’re right about at the edge of an ev being a good choice for commuting. Any further & you’d be better off with a hybrid. BTW, you can charge to 100% for days you need a few extra miles. You just want those to be rare.
Probably because the battery is so large and heavy so having two of them, even smaller ones, wouldn't be practical. If they totaled to the same size and weight, it might work but would I could see it being a lot more expensive to buy.
Last post for a while on this - I was anti EV until my friend took me around in his Tesla. Let me drive it even. It's really cool, but when BMW came out, I knew I'd rather have it. To my eyes, it's better looking car and with a Tesla I would just feel like one of the crowd. With my i4, I kind of feel unique because I hardly ever see them on the road.
Regenerative braking is what you’re talking about. Tesla has had this beginning with the first car they ever made and continues to be in all Teslas today (and my assumption is that it is on all other EVs in production that are made by other manufacturers, too).
When you remove your foot from the accelerator pedal, the wheel motors function as generators putting some electricity back into the battery. It also means less wear on the brake pads extending their life.
Since this topic has expanded about EV ownership let me add something I found out during the trip. My Brother-in-law has an Ionic, actually his sons, for 4 or 5 years now. The car was originally under his name since it was shortly after his son graduated and they switched it to his sons name after the loan was paid off. They did this so my nephew could buy his own insurance and it would all be on him. His son is 29 and no driving issues and it has proven very expensive to make the switch. The insurance is up around $3,500 for his son alone when it was in the $1800 range under his insurance. He also told me that friends of his with EVs have experienced insurance issues also. Now this is all in NY. However it is definitely something to look into before making a purchase.
Hard to imagine why this car never took off in America. Perfect combination of butt ugly, under-powered and completely unreliable.
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All joking aside I wonder why they don't put a small turbine in the car to charge the battery using a small fan in the front where a fan goes on a fossil burning vehicle goes to turn the turbine, so it charges the battery. You basically have a mini windmill built into the car charging the battery.Get me a car with one of these bad boys on it!!!
I got a pinto for my long distance driver and the Tesla for my work commuter… I’m 17’d****
Didn’t read the article so the answer may be in there… but is this just the cyber truck or all Tesla’s in general?
I reckon the extra drag of a wind turbine would exceed the energy gain, basic Physics.
Same issue of having spinning axles also spin a generator. It can't take in energy while expending it.
It depends on the type of tire. If you have performance summer tires, you may only get 20,000 miles out of them driving "normally". But you can get tires with harder rubber that'll last 60,000 miles but don't hang on to the road quite as well.
I was always told to do a replacement policy. When I asked how much it would be it was going to be about $100 more a month over what I had, but I did a replacement policy and it is only $9 mkre a month.
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Toyota has backed away from ev and now developing hydrogen cars. Long term I believe they will win out. Charging is a show stopper for long trips.
On my second set of tires. Actually 3 if counting the original. Just bought the 3rd set in Nov.
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There is no free lunch on these sorts things. Even if you had a second battery, or realistically all you would have to do is partition a section of cells (which Tesla already does), generators are not 100% efficient. Doesn’t matter if it is using wind or attached to the axel. The force used to turn the generator will exceed what it produces, so you are actually losing range in either scenario.
What about solar hood or roof? If that were a 100% efficient, it could add a small bit of range, but since best case is about 28%, it would not do much. One thing Solar could do is trickle charge during the day while at work etc and replenish the small drains that happen from the systems thar are always on like Bluetooth.
One thing it would do is add a lot of weight & cost to the vehicle. I can’t see that being feasible.