I Support Greg Schiano

[rutgersguy2]

I would take less that 5% of what comes out of Kiffins mouth as gospel.

Unless the players unionize and collective bargain, there is nothing the NCAA can do about some entity paying a player. That’s already been decided by the courts. This is window dressing to make some schools feel better about potentially competing.

The schools with the money will win like they always do and no toothless clearinghouse will be able to stop them.

Well you have the TT billionaire with the comments too. For sure there will be some who paint outside the lines like has always been the case but I think it might be curtailed somewhat from the extent that people go over the cap now because of the front loaded deals.

I've always said lawsuits and what not could change the rules again, that's true. Collective bargaining is needed and that may happen somewhere down the line.

I also agree schools with more money will win most of the time. But I also think the pool has widened of who fits in that category now. I also think raising the floor while sort of curtailing the ceiling helps a lot more schools be competitive and while maybe not able to win the whole thing still have very good accomplishments like rankings and playoff appearances from time to time etc..Also regardless of money, roster spots and playing time will always be limited no matter how much money a school has. So some will also be motivated by that. There's a balance between money and playing time opportunity that is different for each individual.

 

[rutgersguy2]

I don't know if this will happen but the chance that it could at all in itself is a perfect example of why raising the floor, even if you're not a top spender, is a big deal. It's just another mechanism that helps talent spread around.


paywall but for the comments

 

[RUTGERS95]

I get those are the revenue generating sports and that's why they will get the most money but I don't think any school is allocating it in such a way to completely starve the other sports.

Athletic departments are pseudo businesses. Loss generating business lines with no potential of profitability aren't kept around in the "real world" but a college athletic department doesn't operate exactly like that.

I get it but what I'm saying is those other sports simply don't matter. Right now, we need a top down every resource approach.

Hell, I'd give football 99% and 1% to mbb

 

[NickRU714]

I get those are the revenue generating sports and that's why they will get the most money but I don't think any school is allocating it in such a way to completely starve the other sports.

Athletic departments are pseudo businesses. Loss generating business lines with no potential of profitability aren't kept around in the "real world" but a college athletic department doesn't operate exactly like that.

The problem is that people want it both ways.

“Run the AD like a business. How can you justify paying Schiano that much with an AD subsidy and losing money. Cut expenses!”

“Ok. We’re cutting 6 sports to reduce expenses.”

“Oh well don’t cut those expenses. We didn’t mean that.”

 

[Caliknight]

I get it but what I'm saying is those other sports simply don't matter. Right now, we need a top down every resource approach.

Hell, I'd give football 99% and 1% to mbb

We tried that and it didn’t work. Dye is already cast. Obviously football is getting the lion share, then MBB, WBB, MLAX/Wrestling, other sports.

We are in line with peer institutions.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Hey as long as swimming and field hockey get their fair share, I'm happy!

 

[RU#1fan]

We gave up 430 yds of offense playing against the 2nd and 3rd string in the 4 th quarter to OSU.

We gave up 509 yds and 40 points to a bad PSU with assistant coaches running the program.

Proud of what? Young men tried hard

GS is done. Multiple scapegoats in numerous OC and DC changes with same results.

bye bye

The Schiano apologists are running out of excuses. It is very likely that we will be having these very same conversations one year now. Hopefully not but Greg has not shown any signs of improvement in game day Coaching, defensive player assignments, selection of competent Staff, etc. Keli needs to find the resources because the change will be now or in 12 months if we want a successful program.

 

[Caliknight]

Hey as long as swimming and field hockey get their fair share, I'm happy!

Like football, every sport is fighting an uphill battle. Our conference mates have crazy NIL by lax standards. All are getting rev share too. I’m amazed how well Brecht competes with how far behind he is in the money game. Dude can identify talent that fits his systems and can coach.

 

[RUTGERS95]

We tried that and it didn’t work. Dye is already cast. Obviously football is getting the lion share, then MBB, WBB, MLAX/Wrestling, other sports.

We are in line with peer institutions.

don't care about our peers, football drives the bus and the other sports, while fun to watch, do not matter in the grand scheme of things. We need to really put all our eggs in football as it's become the face of the school in the modern era. No other endeavor at Rutgers garners the views, money, prestige, or resources that can elevate the school.

that's all I'm saying.

Hell, I'd cut a ton sports as well

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

The Schiano apologists are running out of excuses. It is very likely that we will be having these very same conversations one year now. Hopefully not but Greg has not shown any signs of improvement in game day Coaching, defensive player assignments, selection of competent Staff, etc. Keli needs to find the resources because the change will be now or in 12 months if we want a successful program.

If we don’t make a bowl game next year, Greg will be on the hot seat or possibly gone. There are at least 10 good reasons though why he will and should be given an opportunity to fix the D and special teams this offseason and potentially turn things around next year. Starting with the fact that issues the team struggled with this year are areas where he’s had historic success in the past. That alone is at least reason to have some hope that he could succeed. This isn’t a situation like the retention of Ash in 2019 for financial reasons even though we knew he was an epic disaster. It’s nothing like that. We were a couple snaps / calls away from winning 2 more games than we did. Disappointing season, but not close to a Sky is falling situation right now.

 

[Caliknight]

I get it but what I'm saying is those other sports simply don't matter. Right now, we need a top down every resource approach.

Hell, I'd give football 99% and 1% to mbb

You might not but other people do, including our AD. It’s called acting like a Big Ten school. Of something, anything has the word Rutgers emblazoned on it, we should all want them to be exceptional. It’s why the SCs and Michigans of the world are who they are. They win in everything they do. Again, our AD gets it. She’s quickly realized there are a few sports we have a real shot at winning national championships in.

Football is already the face of the department. Not sure what you are talking about. The school invested more in football last year than many of other peers.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Football is already the face of the department. Not sure what you are talking about. The school invested more in football last year than many of other peers.

Yeah, but all of that is irrelevant until we have our gold encrusted field house!

 

[jsol_05]

Yes, he failed to get the personnel he needed either through recruiting or the transfer portal to put a serviceable defense on the field. And yes, he makes in game decisions that drive anyone with good football acumen crazy. Those things are on him. But you should also know that with no help from Hobbs and very little money from our collectives, he assembled a team that was good enough to be 8-4, with slightly better execution against Iowa, Minnesota, and Penn State. Call me an apologist all you want. But for him to do that with the help he was provided is pretty darn good.

Losing sucks but if you look reality squarely in the face, he's our best option right now.

Before you call me a homer, I'll be the first person to tell you that Pike isn't cut out for the NIL era. That program needs an exit strategy. But football needs to stay the course with coach Schiano.

What course are we on with GS, he will be entering his 7th season, how long is the course? If he pulls another 4-5 wins in 2026, what do we do then?

 

[MADHAT1]

I don't know if this will happen but the chance that it could at all in itself is a perfect example of why raising the floor, even if you're not a top spender, is a big deal. It's just another mechanism that helps talent spread around.


paywall but for the comments

might have started flipping then found more Bulldog money headed his way to stay and that's why thee pushback

 

[Loyal-Son]

The university is doing more to support Schiano than many other peer schools. See the size and spend on his staff. It’s massive.

Almost completely WRONG, but what should we expect from you? Supposedly you played a sport at RU, but somehow you cannot grasp the fact that the team with the most talent is likely going to win. HOw in hell do you not grasp that?

Schiano has been given better than average funds to hire his staff. You got that one thing right.

As for everything else, he is massively underfunded. Right now, you need to have the funds to BUY good players, and we are dead LAST in the B1G.

It is the "Jimmie's and the Joe's". Having 20 % of the funds of the conference leaders is not going to buy you the talent you need.

Anyone who has ever coached at any level will tell you that you can develop players, but the teams that are going to win have the guys out there who were already the most talented the moment they walked on the field.

 

[Loyal-Son]

Mrs. Schiano we appreciate your support for your son.
However after going 15-39 in B1G games after 6 seasons the majority of rational fans say it’s time to move on.

Please substitute clueless for rational, and I agree with you.

 

[Loyal-Son]

Hust out of curiousity when does he need to actually produce? A .278 confrence winning percentage not gettign it done. Even if you forget the first 3 years he still at 9-18 or .300. At what point do all the excuses end? I mean every team can say if we excuted better in loses we would win more games. At the end of the day coaches are hired to win football games, not collect talent that can hypothetically win championships.

Another completely stupid comment, as confirmed by the people who posted "likes".

 

[ru66+]

As an Alum and fan, I also called President Barchi's office to put my name down on a list supporting Schiano's hiring. That was then. 6 years later all other schools that play in major conferences would have moved on from the Head Coach due to performance that doesn't meet expectations.

Posted in another thread, In 6 Years (54 B1G games played), GS has a beaten a total of 2 B1G Teams that finished with winning records. 2024 Minnesota finished at 8-4 (1 good win for Rutgers) and a 2023 NW team finished strong with a winning record. Rutgers beat NW in Game 1, the first game of David Braun taking over the program. That's it. Otherwise, Rutgers has beaten nobody else In Conference with a winning record under the GS regime. That's sad. No ranked teams, no upsets. I threw out the OOC games against weaker conferences, as well as, the Miami bowl win where Miami started their 3rd string QB and mainly developmental players, excluding Restrepo and a few others.

The fact that he wasted the best Rutgers offense in a Decade, coupled with the hiring of Robb Smith for a 3rd time while taking forever to make that hire (Smith has failed at multiple stops such as Minnesota and Arkansas), makes me a supporter for wholesale coaching change.

After one of the most devastating losses of the last decade, I spent Saturday night sulking. What was Greg Schiano doing? He was on the phone flipping a recruit from Louisville to Rutgers.

Why do people forget who said " per capita he (Schiano )is the best coach in America-- President Tate. This talk of firing Schiano is a watse of time..No AD is pissing away money to fire him and no "donor" will be asked for $ to do so. They're begging for $ for NIL first and foremost. Untill they get him comparable $ that other BIG programs provide their coaches it's unreasonable and wrong to judge him.In addition they're begging regular donors to contribute to the excellence fund to offset what they need for revenue sharing. And there's a small fact that no major coach will come to RU without assuring he gets more money than he deserves and more than comparable NIL $ that BIG schools get. On top of it all our BS talking fans only give with their mouths while expecting others to give .Firing him now is just a wet dream for those with severe Schiano derangement syndrome.

 

[NickRU714]

Almost completely WRONG, but what should we expect from you? Supposedly you played a sport at RU, but somehow you cannot grasp the fact that the team with the most talent is likely going to win. HOw in hell do you not grasp that?

Schiano has been given better than average funds to hire his staff. You got that one thing right.

As for everything else, he is massively underfunded. Right now, you need to have the funds to BUY good players, and we are dead LAST in the B1G.

It is the "Jimmie's and the Joe's". Having 20 % of the funds of the conference leaders is not going to buy you the talent you need.

Anyone who has ever coached at any level will tell you that you can develop players, but the teams that are going to win have the guys out there who were already the most talented the moment they walked on the field.

If it's true that part of the Revenue Share allocation is not being spent directly on players (as was said on TKR PSU Post Game podcast - see approx minute 39) then Schiano has himself to blame for not having more money for players.
Then he's literally taking money for his own spending instead of putting it towards retaining/acquiring players.

 

[RUDivision]

You are so wrong it's laughable. But keep spewing that bile and hatred.

No hatred at all! Just Smart business

"You always hear me talking about what? Winning” President Tate

Both Tate and Zinn talk about winning and excellence. Greg and staff have fallen short and have not shown they can be either.

It is the smart move with the launch of R NiL looking to gain support funding. We need someone RU can get behind so they all will go!

The hatred I feel is from yourself defending a dead man walking Coach and staff!

 

[RUDivision]

Rev share is $20MM. Zero chance LSU is only spending $5MM on NIL

Agreed the new model just brings college football back to pre Nil days.

Everyone will start in the same place but the true, free thinking, blue blood schools will find ways to pay players to gain the advantage.

 

[DJ Spanky]

The hatred I feel is from yourself defending a dead man walking Coach and staff!

Put your money where your mouth is. I predict Greg Schiano will be the Rutgers Head Football Coach next season. Wanna bet on it?

 

[RUDivision]

Put your money where your mouth is. I predict Greg Schiano will be the Rutgers Head Football Coach next season. Wanna bet on it?

That’s very bile and wrote with hatred. #Gregmustgo

 

[rutgersguy2]

I don't know if this will happen but the chance that it could at all in itself is a perfect example of why raising the floor, even if you're not a top spender, is a big deal. It's just another mechanism that helps talent spread around.


paywall but for the comments

There you go. Who would've ever thought of such a thing pre-NIL or portal days. So much more is possible for everyone these days.

 

[Rob from NJ]

Why do people forget who said " per capita he (Schiano )is the best coach in America-- President Tate. This talk of firing Schiano is a watse of time..No AD is pissing away money to fire him and no "donor" will be asked for $ to do so. They're begging for $ for NIL first and foremost. Untill they get him comparable $ that other BIG programs provide their coaches it's unreasonable and wrong to judge him.In addition they're begging regular donors to contribute to the excellence fund to offset what they need for revenue sharing. And there's a small fact that no major coach will come to RU without assuring he gets more money than he deserves and more than comparable NIL $ that BIG schools get. On top of it all our BS talking fans only give with their mouths while expecting others to give .Firing him now is just a wet dream for those with severe Schiano derangement syndrome.

 

[ru66+]

Stupid a$$.Plus you're a weak pU$$y-- no originality.

 

[Anon1754923206]

What the f*** does it mean to be the alleged best coach per capita in America? Compared to other very mediocre coaches?

 

[DJ Spanky]

That’s very bile and wrote with hatred. #Gregmustgo

So you can't back it up. Jellyfish are jealous at how spineless you are.

 

[RU#1fan]

Please substitute clueless for rational, and I agree with you.

Please substitute Clueless for Son for your Username and I get it.
2 B1G wins in 6 years against programs with winning records. LMAO
Schiano is 4-31 lifetime as a HC against Top 25 Teams.
Resorts to hiring a retread DC that nobody wanted(and he fired before).
Per On3 has Average NIL that ranks 12th in Conference..not the bottom.
Yeap he is the one to lead us to success in the B1G.

 

[Rob from NJ]

Please substitute Clueless for Son for your Username and I get it.
2 B1G wins in 6 years against programs with winning records. LMAO
Schiano is 4-31 lifetime as a HC against Top 25 Teams.
Resorts to hiring a retread DC that nobody wanted(and he fired before).
Per On3 has Average NIL that ranks 12th in Conference..not the bottom.
Yeap he is the one to lead us to success in the B1G.

Shush. You're going to upset the Schiano Groupies, who are still living in 2006, with these facts.

 

[RUDivision]

So you can't back it up. Jellyfish are jealous at how spineless you are.

Back what up that Greg knew and is getting fired for being awful and embarrassing at his job?

Mr DJSoanky I think you need to change the song or spank it again and calm down.

 

[RUDivision]

If we don’t make a bowl game next year, Greg will be on the hot seat or possibly gone. There are at least 10 good reasons though why he will and should be given an opportunity to fix the D and special teams this offseason and potentially turn things around next year. Starting with the fact that issues the team struggled with this year are areas where he’s had historic success in the past. That alone is at least reason to have some hope that he could succeed. This isn’t a situation like the retention of Ash in 2019 for financial reasons even though we knew he was an epic disaster. It’s nothing like that. We were a couple snaps / calls away from winning 2 more games than we did. Disappointing season, but not close to a Sky is falling situation right now.

So the two areas where Greg is best at SP teams and Speciak teams are what Greg is best at? For the record I agree. I think Greg is best suited as a Sp teams coach in college or the NFL.

That being said both were atrocious this year. His strengths were are downfall. His record on the BIG is awful. His record against top 25 or even BIG teams with a winning record is completely putrid.

Everyone likes comparing us to our peers in the BIG. If you want to compare us then Greg is done today.

 

[RUDivision]

Why do people forget who said " per capita he (Schiano )is the best coach in America-- President Tate. This talk of firing Schiano is a watse of time..No AD is pissing away money to fire him and no "donor" will be asked for $ to do so. They're begging for $ for NIL first and foremost. Untill they get him comparable $ that other BIG programs provide their coaches it's unreasonable and wrong to judge him.In addition they're begging regular donors to contribute to the excellence fund to offset what they need for revenue sharing. And there's a small fact that no major coach will come to RU without assuring he gets more money than he deserves and more than comparable NIL $ that BIG schools get. On top of it all our BS talking fans only give with their mouths while expecting others to give .Firing him now is just a wet dream for those with severe Schiano derangement syndrome.

See Kiffins press conference. See rev share. See Greg being tossed out

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

So the two areas where Greg is best at SP teams and Speciak teams are what Greg is best at? For the record I agree. I think Greg is best suited as a Sp teams coach in college or the NFL.

That being said both were atrocious this year. His strengths were are downfall. His record on the BIG is awful. His record against top 25 or even BIG teams with a winning record is completely putrid.

Everyone likes comparing us to our peers in the BIG. If you want to compare us then Greg is done today.

Throughout his coaching career, yes. This year was an exception.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Back what up that Greg knew and is getting fired for being awful and embarrassing at his job?

Mr DJSoanky I think you need to change the song or spank it again and calm down.

I am stating that I disagree with you, that Schiano is not going to be fired, and that barring some terrible health calamity he will be coaching Rutgers Football next season. You claim he will be fired. I am offering to bet you on this, but you appear to not have faith in your take. Whaddaya say?

 

[RU#1fan]

Back what up that Greg knew and is getting fired for being awful and embarrassing at his job?

Mr DJSoanky I think you need to change the song or spank it again and calm down.

All he knows is how to spank his monkey.

 

[Caliknight]

Almost completely WRONG, but what should we expect from you? Supposedly you played a sport at RU, but somehow you cannot grasp the fact that the team with the most talent is likely going to win. HOw in hell do you not grasp that?

Schiano has been given better than average funds to hire his staff. You got that one thing right.

As for everything else, he is massively underfunded. Right now, you need to have the funds to BUY good players, and we are dead LAST in the B1G.

It is the "Jimmie's and the Joe's". Having 20 % of the funds of the conference leaders is not going to buy you the talent you need.

Anyone who has ever coached at any level will tell you that you can develop players, but the teams that are going to win have the guys out there who were already the most talented the moment they walked on the field.

You claim my statement was wrong, then go on a diatribe about something I’ve never even said. Supposedly played lol. You’re a bizarre dude.

Schiano supporter staff is massive. The school invested more in football than Oregon spent last year. Think about that for a second.

Kelli should hand pick a GM and hire them herself and force Schianos hand, while reducing his over bloated support staff including his family. He won’t like it but it’s the best thing for Rutgers.

 

[seansherm]

OK- stated it wrong. All schools have significant money to pay players. And how that directly affects NIL - is that there are now new guidelines that must be followed. While I know that some schools still have some significant Donors who came do a legit big money NIL, most of the majority can no longer do the "no work for pay" NIL deals that have been happening. Yeah- they will find ways around it but no team should be allowed to say they do not have the cash for players. All they can say is that our school decided to use it elsewhere.

You believe this? Wake me when we start to hear about deals being turned down. There is a reason coaches are still being promised a certain level of NIL despite "new" rules.

 

[RUAldo]

Sorry to say it but RU Football is a losing proposition. We will never have the alumni network or commitment to compete with the traditional powerhouses. The tri-state area simply doesn’t care enough about college football. BTW, where is the support from the RU football alumni? Any of those former players especially the ones that made it to the NFL writing checks?

 

[kupuna133]

You claim my statement was wrong, then go on a diatribe about something I’ve never even said. Supposedly played lol. You’re a bizarre dude.

Schiano supporter staff is massive. The school invested more in football than Oregon spent last year. Think about that for a second.

Kelli should hand pick a GM and hire them herself and force Schianos hand, while reducing his over bloated support staff including his family. He won’t like it but it’s the best thing for Rutgers.

It’s not like the numbers aren’t public information. Rutgers spent in the top 10-15 of all NCAA football programs on their operational budget.

Here are all the FY24 FOOTBALL operating budgets

You asked, so I made the spreadsheet.

www.extrapointsmb.com

recruiting budget was also top 15.