Seems like there is some interest on this board as to who we hire. Who do think it will be? Just curious to see what the pack thinks.
I think we hire Sumlin. Who do you think we get to replace Nutt?
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Seems like there is some interest on this board as to who we hire. Who do think it will be? Just curious to see what the pack thinks.
From what I've read on nafoom, y'all seem to prefer an offensive guy. I'm thinking that since Nutt has the reputation of someone who was in charge of the offense that a defensive guy with the confidence to hire a good OC and let him work would be a good bet.
Has the fact that they completely threw out all their traditions been completely lost on you? Right or wrong, they did it. I don't know the motivation, but with Ole Miss, it's likely all about football recruiting.
Honestly I agree w/ SLUdawg about them NOT hiring a black HC. The reason, quite simply put they & MOST of thier fans are Rebels. Most of thier fans were pissed after losing that stinkin' flag, then that stupid "dixie" song. I know ALOT of people who like them JUST because of the corelation to that stigma. I personally think they have the type of players that Sumlin's offense could flourish in. He would be a good fit based on his style of coaching. But I honestly believe if I were a blackbear i'd want to get away from the offensive style coach. They need a mean defensive/disciplinarian style of coach. Chavis would get my vote IF I were a Bear & i'm not. Just the comment's Nutt had on yahoosports about how "it's hard to recruit black kids to come to ole miss". Kinda spells doom for Sumlin. Malzhan isn't gonna leave for yall. Leach would be the Nutt 2nd coming. He's too nutty for an SEC program.
hulkbuster said:
I'm also not sure how you correlate Nutt saying its hard to recruit black kids to OM to Sumlin struggling with it...
Im gonna tread lightly becasue I dont want this thread to turn into stupidUM racial flaming jokes. I just do not think UM will do anything else that could be a controversial/possibly divisive move for the fan base. Even though its not a race thing, I believe Leech falls into this category as well (too controversial). I believe UM needs a hire the whole fanbase WILL rally behind. The reason I think they dont go crazy throw heavy spread and Archie will push for a more traditional pro style is because the fact that ms hs football produces lackluster qb and wrprospects. A run oriented attach is what the ms hs talent can fit into for msu and um
Sumlin is on the cusp of the BCS Top Ten and has a great shot at a BCS bowl. No way he leaves that to the cluster 17 that is currently Black Bear athletics. I think you will fall down your list further than that. I think you will end up with Freeze and nafoom will be giving each other reach arounds for having a guy with head coach experience and previously recruited the area. And honestly, he would be a solid hire.
but I imagine it will come from one of three areas:
Assisstants: Mullen, Franklin and Muschamp were all hired from this pool.
Retreads: Old coaches looking for one more shot--Mike Leach, Terry Bowden, etc.
Young mid major guys: Hugh Freeze, Christobal, etc. These are low salary guys looking for a payday and a chance.
What you will not get at this point is a successful head coach like Sumlin or top assisstant like Malzahn. Quite frankly, Ole Miss is toxic right now due to firing 3 coaches in 7 years, not knowing who your boss will be due to Boone's departure, an uprising from Forward Rebels, a fractured fan base and alot of hard feelings in your camp. No one who is successful or has this as his first chance is going to take a hard look even with some money thrown at him.
Hugh Freeze may be a fall back, but I'll take a shot at a rumor I heard to try to restore some instant credibility: Phil Fulmer.
Assisstants: Mullen, Franklin and Muschamp were all hired from this pool.
Retreads: Old coaches looking for one more shot--Mike Leach, Terry Bowden, etc.
Young mid major guys: Hugh Freeze, Christobal, etc. These are low salary guys looking for a payday and a chance.
What you will not get at this point is a successful head coach like Sumlin or top assisstant like Malzahn. Quite frankly, Ole Miss is toxic right now due to firing 3 coaches in 7 years, not knowing who your boss will be due to Boone's departure, an uprising from Forward Rebels, a fractured fan base and alot of hard feelings in your camp. No one who is successful or has this as his first chance is going to take a hard look even with some money thrown at him.
Hugh Freeze may be a fall back, but I'll take a shot at a rumor I heard to try to restore some instant credibility: Phil Fulmer.
And regardless of whatever some random RAT poaster postulates on this board, it's meaningless.
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Fulmer wouldn't fit on a bill-boardvery well. Rebs needa glory guy, lady Rebs must approve of looks, pizzaz, show-biz approachto rivals...ummmm, how much ya give for Dan?
Leach is living comfortably in Key West and would be a TERRIBLE fit for OM. They like coaches that tow the party line with respect to "tradition", and Leach is one that likes to buck it and set new ones. With the revolving door that is in Oxford right now, I see him easily passing on this one. Leach will have his choice of jobs in the next year or two. Especially since cash flow isn't a problem for him these days.Hump4Hoops said:
Barkman Turner Overdrive said:
Conference realignment.
we will see 4 super conferences with 18-20 teams each that will break from the NCAA in the coming years. Good stable coaches will be clamoring to get in with the "haves" and even a school like the bears will be a "haves" vs "have not" when this happens. Not saying he would leave Houston but it is something to consider bc they will certainly be left out of the Super Conferences based on market share and fan base size.
Both would be good hires in my opinion.
Sumlin would be like Leach without the baggage. As for the whole Race thing that is even more reason Ole Miss would hire him. Anyone thinking they'd pass over a guy because of his race does not understand the thinking of the current administration at Ole Miss. This would be a huge positive in their eyes. I think he's a good candidate regardless of his race. And as for whether the Ole Miss job is a good one or not every SEC job is good. Let's be honest college football has changed any gig at an SEC school is better than most all other jobs. Even the Vandy job is becoming a plum gig.
Freeze is familiar, has a good record, and has connections in Memphis. He's a bit of a reach to the lower ranks but I think he's an up and comer that someone will snap up soon.
Sumlin would be like Leach without the baggage. As for the whole Race thing that is even more reason Ole Miss would hire him. Anyone thinking they'd pass over a guy because of his race does not understand the thinking of the current administration at Ole Miss. This would be a huge positive in their eyes. I think he's a good candidate regardless of his race. And as for whether the Ole Miss job is a good one or not every SEC job is good. Let's be honest college football has changed any gig at an SEC school is better than most all other jobs. Even the Vandy job is becoming a plum gig.
Freeze is familiar, has a good record, and has connections in Memphis. He's a bit of a reach to the lower ranks but I think he's an up and comer that someone will snap up soon.
He is in a similar situation as Schiano was in a few years at Rutgers. He obviously has a great team this year with a shot at a BCS bowl, but he loses Keenum next year and I'm guessing they'll return to being mediocre without Keenum.<div>
</div><div>I think Sumlin cashes in and takes the OM job if offered. Hell, Schiano was the hottest name in coaching 4 years ago and now he may not have a job next year.</div>
</div><div>I think Sumlin cashes in and takes the OM job if offered. Hell, Schiano was the hottest name in coaching 4 years ago and now he may not have a job next year.</div>
SLUdog said:
That's going to be the norm for most places that aren't elite level jobs.
You're either going to hire a guy that succeeds, and he's going to leave you for another better job after 3-5 years, or you're going to hire someone who fails, and you're going to be firing him after 3-5 years.
Very rarely will you have a coach do just enough to keep his job but fail just enough to not get looks from bigger, better jobs, if you are a mid-level program, and even if you do that, eventually that guy is going to likely not be around for longer than 8-10 years in this type of market.
I would think most coaches would see our job, like yours, as one where you can come in, get good pay and a chance at the spotlight to use us as a way to jump to a bigger, better job.
If the coach we hire doesn't see us that way, he's probably not going to win very much, and we'll be firing him instead of replacing him after he leaves us for a better gig. Unless Mullen stays at a mediocre level of losing to all of the good teams and beating most of the bad teams to win right around 6-7 games a year, he'll more than likely get an offer at a more elite job and take it someday, no matter what he says to you now.