IC Thread states UNC will be better than Duke!

hart2chesson

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Such a statement of fair trial!!?? Ha...This state is populated w/Tar Heel high rollers from Judge Dickie Baddour Jr to state DA and RC'er Jim Woodall, and the legislative branch the same way...

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UNC will be a distant fourth in the ACC this year behind Duke, UVA, and Louisville. The three at the top will have some fun trying to get to the top. Heck, UNC may end up behind the Cuse and VT. Now wouldn't that be something?
 
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hart2chesson

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UNC will be a distant fourth in the ACC this year behind Duke, UVA, and Louisville. The three at the top will have some fun trying to get to the top. Heck, UNC may end up behind the Cuse and VT. Now wouldn't that be something?

Yahoo TAHoo!!!
 

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steat says Manley will be a 5 star his senior season. Ole Roy will not even need to perform his usual developing of recruits on this one.
 

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steat says Manley will be a 5 star his senior season. Ole Roy will not even need to perform his usual developing of recruits on this one.


Roy's ability to "coach up" players ain't his strong suit. Sure , some have improved under 'im but his track record in that area is spotty. When it comes to players ranked about the same as Manley , well , it's flat-out awful. Britt , Copeland , Hubert , Stillman White , Watts , Simmons etc. Stiffs , the lot of 'em. These kids just do not end up being productive players for Roy. Manley gonna break the mold? lol
 
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hart2chesson

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"Power #2 position!" Go Roy Go!!!!

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We're not splitting with them this year. We're just not. I understand the rivalry thing, but this year the discrepancy in talent and coaching will not allow them to beat us.

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I agree with you 100%. You should check out some of IC post today. They're claiming KU, UK, and Duke's coaches could learn from Roy, due to them making a title run last season. Also, that Sterling Manley as a Junior will be equivalent to a Freshman Harry Giles. hahaha
 
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Also, that Sterling Manley as a Junior will be equivalent to a Freshman Harry Giles.


Well then. We should appreciate the heads-up. Everyone set your calendars for THREE years from now when Roy turns the nation's 252nd ranked high school recruit into who? Justin Watts? ( Ranked 256 ) Or maybe Jackson Simmons or Stillman White? ( Both unranked. ) Get ready ya'll. I'm frozen with fear already.
 
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Roy's ability to "coach up" players ain't his strong suit. Sure , some have improved under 'im but his track record in that area is spotty. When it comes to players ranked about the same as Manley , well , it's flat-out awful. Britt , Copeland , Hubert , Stillman White , Watts , Simmons etc. Stiffs , the lot of 'em. These kids just do not end up being productive players for Roy. Manley gonna break the mold? lol

Yet the goofs over at THR always brag about how Roy coaches up big men and when a top big turns them down they don't get it. They now use Brice Johnson as proof of Roy's prowess in this area. Lol.
 
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Yet the goofs over at THR always brag about how Roy coaches up big men and when a top big turns them down they don't get it. They now use Brice Johnson as proof of Roy's prowess in this area. Lol.


I've never understood the hype with Roy Williams as a coach. Obviously, he isn't a terrible coach, but a great one??? If it wasn't for his ability to retain 3-5 top 10 HS players for 3-4 years, he wouldn't have a single title. Roy is a systems coach and does less with more. We will truly see his coaching abilities if his 2017 class continues on the path they're on.
 
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I've never understood the hype with Roy Williams as a coach. Obviously, he isn't a terrible coach, but a great one??? If it wasn't for his ability to retain 3-5 top 10 HS players for 3-4 years, he wouldn't have a single title. Roy is a systems coach and does less with more. We will truly see his coaching abilities if his 2017 class continues on the path they're on.
Not unlike his mentor DES who did less with more than any coach in history.Iused to think they were great recruiters both it was rather easy to recruit when you were selling a no class or work required degree
 
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Not unlike his mentor DES who did less with more than any coach in history.Iused to think they were great recruiters both it was rather easy to recruit when you were selling a no class or work required degree


That's one part to the equation. Also, I firmly believe that recruits have noticed Roys tactics when developing top tier talent. Roy has a niche of retaining top tier talent for multiple years. Could you imagine how many titles K would have if he was able to keep these guys longer like Roy??
 
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That's one part to the equation. Also, I firmly believe that recruits have noticed Roys tactics when developing top tier talent. Roy has a niche of retaining top tier talent for multiple years. Could you imagine how many titles K would have if he was able to keep these guys longer like Roy??
Was not that long ago UNC fans mantra was that K selfishly held his players back.My the times they are a changing
 

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Was not that long ago UNC fans mantra was that K selfishly held his players back.My the times they are a changing

I have always chuckled at the end of hoops seasons when the fawning fanboy unc media asks Roy about his possible NBA prospects and his advice for 'em....Invariably its been "I will talk to my people" in the NBA, etc, etc and then advise em....Almost surefire as the sun rising they come back...

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That's one part to the equation. Also, I firmly believe that recruits have noticed Roys tactics when developing top tier talent. Roy has a niche of retaining top tier talent for multiple years. Could you imagine how many titles K would have if he was able to keep these guys longer like Roy??
Agreed there was a chart on this site recently which showed that all but one of Roy"s recruits was drafted lower than their HS rankings even after multiple years at UNC.I directly asked Carolina Blue to comment on this to date no response
 

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It's proven that kids ranked above 100 (as many of Roy's latest recruits are) just do not produce to any significant level while they play for 'im. Is what it is. However...since unx is missing out on signing the highly-rated Mickey D'ers they're used to...the tarhole nation would have us believe that THESE kids will do what ALL the previously 100+ rated kids didn't. That , my friends , is known as "Turd Painting 101." Don't get me wrong. If Roy can ink some elites in the near future then things will be fine. If not? unc won't be competing at the level their fans are used to. They just won't. Were it not for Roy's unique ability to turn highly-rated recruits into multi-year players , we'd already be seeing the decline on the court.
 

hart2chesson

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. Were it not for Roy's unique ability to turn highly-rated recruits into multi-year players , we'd already be seeing the decline on the court.

I would be interested to know where James Michael McAdoo ranked nationally coming out of HS. After a big splash his freshman year, that was one of Roy's CLASSIC CASES of UNDERACHIEVING with a player IMO....There was SERIOUS SPECULATION he was headed to THE LEAGUE after his freshman campaign.He is in the NBA now, but is nothing like the player "experts" were talking of after his rookie year at UNC.Consider if McAdoo had achieved the prosperity his upside showed his freshman year??? The McAdoo factor did nothing to help recruiting for Roy....

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I would be interested to know where James Michael McAdoo ranked nationally coming out of HS. After a big splash his freshman year, that was one of Roy's CLASSIC CASES of UNDERACHIEVING with a player IMO....There was SERIOUS SPECULATION he was headed to THE LEAGUE after his freshman campaign.He is in the NBA now, but is nothing like the player "experts" were talking of after his rookie year at UNC.Consider if McAdoo had achieved the prosperity his upside showed his freshman year??? The McAdoo factor did nothing to help recruiting for Roy....

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He was top five
 

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According to the ESPN rankings at the time , he was #6...

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2011/order/true


Following his freshman season , he decided to return to unx...


His late-season performance pushed him into the lottery of many mock drafts.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...urn-north-carolina-tar-heels-sophomore-season


Also returned for his JUNIOR year as well. How'd that work out...?


McAdoo came to the Tar Heels as an emerging star with hopes of being a lottery pick in the NBA draft after his career in Chapel Hill. Those ambitions fell well short on Thursday night, as the two-time second-team All-ACC player fell out of both rounds and is now simply looking to crack a roster.



Thank you , Roy. Don't ya PUSH a kid out the door if the draft position and money's there? Another note. According to those ESPN rankings , only THREE kids in the Top 10 weren't OAD. Thomas and Nash both stayed 2 years. JMM? He stayed in college the longest. 3 seasons. Only TWO players in the Top 15 stayed 3 years. Birch and , of course , JMM. Ya have to drop down to the 18th , 19th and 20th-ranked kids to find anyone who stayed LONGER than JMM. Oh yeah. That dadgum scandal ( or "junk" as Roy calls it ) has hurt unx recruiting. Please.
 
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Agreed there was a chart on this site recently which showed that all but one of Roy"s recruits was drafted lower than their HS rankings even after multiple years at UNC.I directly asked Carolina Blue to comment on this to date no response

When did you ask me this? Was it on THR or here?
 

hart2chesson

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According to the ESPN rankings at the time , he was #6...

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2011/order/true


Following his freshman season , he decided to return to unx...


His late-season performance pushed him into the lottery of many mock drafts.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...urn-north-carolina-tar-heels-sophomore-season


Also returned for his JUNIOR year as well. How'd that work out...?


McAdoo came to the Tar Heels as an emerging star with hopes of being a lottery pick in the NBA draft after his career in Chapel Hill. Those ambitions fell well short on Thursday night, as the two-time second-team All-ACC player fell out of both rounds and is now simply looking to crack a roster.



Thank you , Roy. Don't ya PUSH a kid out the door if the draft position and money's there? Another note. According to those ESPN rankings , only THREE kids in the Top 10 weren't OAD. Thomas and Nash both stayed 2 years. JMM? He stayed in college the longest. 3 seasons. Only TWO players in the Top 15 stayed 3 years. Birch and , of course , JMM. Ya have to drop down to the 18th , 19th and 20th-ranked kids to find anyone who stayed LONGER than JMM. Oh yeah. That dadgum scandal ( or "junk" as Roy calls it ) has hurt unx recruiting. Please.


Great info!!! Great insight, per usual DJ!!

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