well I've been away from the munitions world for a while. But all the flash bangs I've seen are similar to hand grenades. But like I said, I haven't seen the same thing you did, and anything is possible.
ICE murders another unarmed person
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When you say rule of law do you mean due process? Or the law that states federal agents have to have a judicial warrant to enter your home?
You cannot claim to be enforcing the rule of law while also breaking it.
NY, lots of people keep saying exactly what you posted. But according to others - legal experts - democrat and republican leaning - that is not so. Their opinion is that the administrative warrant suffices if the person in question has a deportation order - and their are numerous caveats with that , they have to announce, has to be between 6 and 10pm and a couple more.
I'm not a lawyer, and as you might be able to tell, even lawyers disagree on the facts...I'm just attempting to point out that the underlying law is not as clear as we might like
Possible. Sig's had misfire issues in the past. This shows he had one in the chamber and no safety on, very careless. I didnt see the gun drop tho. So it misfired during the struggle???
I think that maybe a false narrative. In the gish gallop of unleashing 3k federal agents to go 'door to door', I'm certain that of the 1000 actual illegals that were arrested, that violence may have been used. Its just that shooting and killing two US citizens is going to catch more coverage.
I feel confident that if they were entered MAGA homes without judicial warrants, etc, or killing people not attacking them in any way, I would be against it.
You can in fact support the overall mission or goal without supporting every single action. You can be for what ICE was created for, and still believe this was unequivocally wrong.
exactly, I support getting rid of violent illegal aliens. This is just unleashing an occupying force on a liberal city because of perceived grievances.
Person in question? So that person has to own the home? If not, what you are saying is the feds can enter any home, anywhere they want, if they “suspect” an illegal might be there. One ice agent can write the administrative warrant for another.
As citizens, we should just trust that federal government has our best interests in mind at all times.
Imagine your reaction if biden was doing this in Florida.
I say Goode was a legit shoot. I dont know yet about this one but I lean to legit. But if Pool is right then it was a tragic mistake by all involved including the guy that got shot. A weapon malfunction causes his gun to fire during the struggle that causes the agents to react and pull their guns and return fire. This is why you dont go armed with a round in the chamber and no safety on and get into an altercation with agents. Its not a game. Two people could have been killed not just one. The lesson that needs to be learned is protest peaceful, dont interfere or obstruct, dont go armed with a round in the chamber and no safety on. Dont resist agents if they take you in custody or just detain you. Detention isnt arrest. If they see who they are looking for in your house they have the right to enter and apprehend them. They dont need a warrant to do that. They dont need a warrant to apprehend an illegal just a deportation order or if they dont have immigration papers when asked. They will be detained until their legal status can be determined...
Not perceived if there are deportation orders. Would not happen if blue cities cooperated with ICE and turn them over when they are arrested locally. This is the result of sanctuary cities. If locals did their job ICE wouldnt need to be doing it like this...
Where all my MAGA friends at now? Listen to what your Fuhrer has said about gun owners. Are you all criminals now?
Minnesota DOC has literally handed over 100% of people undocumented that have come to them. Despite the fact they don’t actually HAVE to. I agree they should, but just saying they have voluntarily done it. 100%. Not a single time have they not.
oh snap this LEO expert goes on Fox News and tells the 100% unvarnished truth. i'm surprised ned is still with us and didn't have an angina attack watching this live yesterday.
Ned: Speaking of "knowing exactly what happened," you posted that "someone yelled 'gun,'" but added that you hadn't heard that on any of the videos. (Neither have I, by the way.). Why are you so sure someone yelled "gun?"
Yep just another thing we dont agree with Trump on. But I agree with most things he does. Thats the difference in being in a cult or not. In a cult you cant ever disagree...
It was unequivocly wrong. The guy did not deserve to die for protesting and resisting arrest. However, that is not mutually exclusive that it was his own fault.
We covered this in another thread a few days ago. Remember the controversy about the memo that the whistleblower exposed that said they could forcibly enter homes with only an administrative warrant when that is not the law? The law states you must have a judicial warrant yet this secret memo signed by Todd Lyons, acting director of ICE, gives them the authority to forcibly enter with only an administrative warrant, which they started following this month. This is not a disagreement between legal experts - it explicitly goes against the 4th amendment.
ICE memo allows agents to enter homes without judicial warrant: Whistleblower complaint
The group Whistleblower Aid says it represents two anonymous U.S. government officials. The group argues the ICE memo violates the Fourth Amendment and DHS policies.
abcnews.go.com
Yet state and local officials have declared sanctuary status and told state and local law enforcement to stand down and not corporate with the FEDS. They have incited people to go and confront ICE during their operations. Haven threaten the Federal Gov with violence. Ive seen no proof they are handing over illegals to the FEDS...
Please stop repeating the lie that he was resisting arrest when every angle of every video showed the opposite. I know you think it helps your argument but it's just a lie you're telling yourself to make you feel better about the brutal actions being perpetrated by these thugs.
I'm not saying that, lawyers are saying that. My point was that there is an open question about whether an administrative warrant is adequate in some instances. Someone posted that there is a lawsuit, so a court will decide.
I'm not sure at all.. I've seen multiple sources report that agents yelled "gun, gun, gun". But like I posted, I haven't heard it in any of the videos I've seen. Noem said it on Sunday TV shows....she woudn't lie would she?
I genuinely cannot tell if you're being cheeky here or not.
Show me my little partisan board cancer. Take a screenshot of him resisting arrest to prove your spin. Otherwise you're just a liar.
How about the new video angle that shows one of the ice agents involved walking away and clapping after a US citizen was shot to death. This is the result of trump unleashing poorly trained, grievance filled morons as federal agents.
Top Minnesota corrections official denies DHS claim that the state is releasing dangerous criminals
Paul Schnell, Minnesota's corrections commissioner, rejects DHS' claims that state authorities have been releasing hundreds of dangerous criminals, rather than turning them over to ICE.
www.cbsnews.com
Then I would stop repeating things as if they are true. They have not released a single undocumented criminal. And DHS is taking credit for arresting those that have been given to them by the DOC.
I guess being on all fours and getting pistol whipped is resisting these days. Just accept the pistol to your face. Who cares if all you were doing is non-threateningly blocking a woman from getting pepper sprayed. Accept the metal to your face or die.
Even if it was true there was an accidental discharge, that should not, among even minimally competent individuals, have caused a group of officers to unload many shots into the body of an unarmed man kneeling before them with his hands on the ground. In Normalville (which, sadly, doesn't exist any longer) they all see the guy's hands ... and a non-special-needs individual tells other officers he has disarmed the man ... so everyone knows the shot couldn't come from the murder victim. Again, this assumes this latest narrative is true, which is far from certain.
Bovino attack dog making an *** out of himself on CNN.
He basically just justified murder under the concept of Minority Report. We have the right to kill someone based on what we think they are going to do (under very limited to non-existent evidence) even though that reality never manifests.
He basically just justified murder under the concept of Minority Report. We have the right to kill someone based on what we think they are going to do (under very limited to non-existent evidence) even though that reality never manifests.
Screenshot isnt good enough. Go watch the many videos thats been posted. You have but you dont operate ever in good faith. You lie then double and triple down on those lies despite all the proof against you. I wont mention names but I have some really good good faith chats with people on the left here in private. We dont agree on many things but its civil and respectful. Something thats just not in your dna. Sometimes I show them something they didnt know and they do the same for me. I think they are good people even tho we dont agree on many things. I dont find you to be a good person. My image of you is a 5ft 2 guy with a bowl cut and a moostache(Some will get that reference) with anger issues and small Vienna energy...
Exactly, I will also add that there is no evidence he was being arrested - they were just pushing him and the female out of the way and pepper-spraying them. How can you be resisiting arrest when you aren't being arrested? Their arguments are hollow.
yea, that's not what the FEDs are reporting. And, Homan and bovinio are still saying that Minneapolis is not turning over migrant criminals. So seems we have a discrepancy of "facts"