ICE murders another unarmed person

UrHuckleberry

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Sorry you dont get to carry a gun and a shot comes from your gun then claim to not be a threat. Once that shot rings out you are justified to shoot until you feel the threat is neutralized. If you had ever been in a firefight you would understand this. as far as pedos go those insurgents obstructing ICE do protect pedos and you support that. You also support groomers teaching our kids anal sex in 3rd grade and showing sexual explicit material in class. I wonder if you might be a member of Atlanta NAMBLA. Are you a registered SO in GA?
HE NEVER TOUCHED HIS GUN IN PRESENCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
 

TigerRagRob

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I do not trade bitcoin, but from what I am seeing at the moment, it is back down close to 87,000
Ups and downs of the market. Buy the dips and sell the highs. I do trading in forex and futures with some crypto. Locate the next strong resistance level and see if it bounces back up after it touches...
 
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TigerRagRob

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HE NEVER TOUCHED HIS GUN IN PRESENCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
You cant tell that and the gun did fire. In a life or death fight you only have a split second to react. Again its not a game. The stakes are life and death. Hesitate and you or one of the members of your team dies. Dont F around and try to cosplay some GTA fantasy you might have...
 

tboonpickens

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Which is their Constitutionally-protected right.



As the Constitution dictates.



This illustrates a fundamental misunderstanding the Constitution, generally, and how it speaks to the current issues. The feds have exclusive jurisdiction over implementation of immigration law, and its enforcement. States CAN help with enforcement, if they want, but they aren't required to do so (thanks to the Constitution), and there should be no expectation that they will, even if some states have ... or even if all states have, in the past.

So, yes, the Federal government MUST "do it themselves" unless they get help, which they aren't entitled to. It's called "doing your job."

Regardless of whether State governments (or other local authorities) help the Feds do their job for them, or if they don't, states and local authorities still have rights and protections (as do their residents). Just because the Feds are "doing it themselves" doesn't mean they can do anything they want, and no one has a right to complain. So the "cooperation" States and local authorities, and the states' residents want, is to not violate the Constitution, and other valid laws and regulations adopted thereunder, while the Feds do the job they're required to do. And States and local authorities can insist on the Feds not violating these rights, and still refuse to cooperate with the Feds in doing the Feds' job for them.



If you're still not able to comprehend this, let me give you an analogy. You're the head of bathroom maintenance. The corporate charter states the head of bathroom maintenance is solely in charge of toilet cleaning. But there are others you hire for other tasks ... sink cleaners, urinal cleaners, etc. Now, sometimes the sink and urinal cleaners finish up early and help you clean the toilets, because you're lazy. But they don't NEED to do so. It shouldn't be an expectation they do it for you. Because it's your job.

So, when the urinal and sink cleaners refuse to help you, you throw a fit and say "fine, I'll do it myself," and in your tizzy, you're tossing turds and toilet water all over the place, getting them on the urinals and in the sink. The sink and urinal cleaners have a right to not have you throw turds at them, or at/in what they just cleaned ... they're not "asking for your cooperation" ... and you're wrong to say "oh, now you want my cooperation when you won't cooperate with me on the underlying issue?"

Do you understand?
guarantee that ned does not in fact understand 💯
 

tboonpickens

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crosseyed cuck podcaster that moron Trump put in charge of the FBI gets obliterated by Fox News simp and then the MN Gun Owners Caucus


 

UrHuckleberry

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You cant tell that and the gun did fire. In a life or death fight you only have a split second to react. Again its not a game. The stakes are life and death. Hesitate and you or one of the members of your team dies. Dont F around and try to cosplay some GTA fantasy you might have...
You can tell that. You can 100% tell that. Seeing both his hands is the first clue. wtf are you even talking about
 

fatpiggy

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MTG, in her own batshit way, weighs in and defends our constitutional rights and calls ******** on the DHS narrative shared by morons like fatpiggy that this man was doing anything illegal before he was murdered in cold blood.

He was clearly resisting arrest. Shown on video.

:13 seconds of resisting before being shot.

I don’t like that he got shot, he didn’t deserve it. However, it was his own fault.
 

baltimorened

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So do you support a full investigation or not? You're all over the place.
of course I do..independent investigation ..Fed will not trust cops, cops will not trust FED.

How is that all over the place? I believe I said originally, independent...

When the FEDs report comes out and says "good kill" how many on here will believe it. When Minneapolis report comes out and say "murder" how many on the right will believe it.

Right now I wouldn't believe either
 
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FLaw47

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of course I do..independent investigation ..Fed will not trust cops, cops will not trust FED.

How is that all over the place? I believe I said originally, independent...

When the FEDs report comes out and says "good kill" how many on here will believe it. When Minneapolis report comes out and say "murder" how many on the right will believe it.

Right now I wouldn't believe either

So... Who is able to do an independent investigation? I'm at a loss if it can't be local, state, or federal.
 

baltimorened

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So... Who is able to do an independent investigation? I'm at a loss if it can't be local, state, or federal.
well that is above my pay grade...but look we've already had the head of DHS and President say ICE agents justified....mayor and governor have said murder, or something to that effect. How open minded could an investigation headed by either of these parties be?

Like I said will those on the left accept an investigation headed by DHS? Same for those on the right with investigation headed by Minneapolis police. Just my opinion for sure.
 

FLaw47

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well that is above my pay grade...but look we've already had the head of DHS and President say ICE agents justified....mayor and governor have said murder, or something to that effect. How open minded could an investigation headed by either of these parties be?

Like I said will those on the left accept an investigation headed by DHS? Same for those on the right with investigation headed by Minneapolis police. Just my opinion for sure.
I think what clearly needs to happen at this point is the state needs to start gathering evidence, convene a grand jury if warranted, indict, and bring him to trial with a jury. At that point it doesn't matter what people accept. The federal government is clearly refusing to do ANYTHING.
 

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Not to disrespect the importance of this thread, but the range of crisis situations in motion that are being lost in the fog of war seems unimaginable

Better phrase may be fog of social media
 

baltimorened

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I think what clearly needs to happen at this point is the state needs to start gathering evidence, convene a grand jury if warranted, indict, and bring him to trial with a jury. At that point it doesn't matter what people accept. The federal government is clearly refusing to do ANYTHING.
I don't know about that. Noem said on TV this morning that DHS is conducting an investigation
 

UrHuckleberry

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I don't know about that. Noem said on TV this morning that DHS is conducting an investigation

Hard to trust any investigation when the leaders of the investigators have already bold faced lied about facts people could see were lies with their own eyes. But I’m sure the states rights party will support MN in its lawsuit.
 

FLaw47

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I don't know about that. Noem said on TV this morning that DHS is conducting an investigation

I think our federal officials have done an awful lot to discredit themselves (I have not seen a state official be have similarly but I'm open to being wrong on that). Is DHS even allowed to bring criminal charges of this nature? Doesn't seem like their jurisdiction at all.
 

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Republican Governor of Vermont, Phil Scott:

“Enough. It’s not acceptable for American citizens to be killed by federal agents for exercising their God-given and constitutional rights to protest their government.

At best, these federal immigration operations are a complete failure of coordination of acceptable public safety and law enforcement practices, training, and leadership.

At worst, it’s a deliberate federal intimidation and incitement of American citizens that’s resulting in the murder of Americans. Again, enough is enough.

The president should pause these operations, de-escalate the situation, and reset the federal government’s focus on truly criminal illegal immigrants. In the absence of presidential action, Congress and the courts must step up to restore constitutionality.”
 

baltimorened

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I think our federal officials have done an awful lot to discredit themselves (I have not seen a state official be have similarly but I'm open to being wrong on that). Is DHS even allowed to bring criminal charges of this nature? Doesn't seem like their jurisdiction at all.
I don't know..I just reported what she said about an investigation
 

tboonpickens

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I don't know..I just reported what she said about an investigation
ned have you ever watched a North Korean press conference? how about Putin? you must have been hanging on every word of the Kremlin back in the good old Cold War days.

must have been so hard for 40 yo ned to navigate the Cold War when both sides were sharing so much information.
 

baltimorened

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You know, you're allowed to be incredulous towards elected official on both sides <3.

But the fact that they've said they won't even investigate Renee Goode has wrecked their credibility pretty severely on this.
I don't know if you're reading my posts, or if I'm misreading you, but in my post I said trump,Walz,, vance , frey, Homan and bovino. I'm not incredulous about any elected official, I just think all of them heave disqualified themselves from an investigation based on the statements. (in spite of the belief that non of them know what they're talking about)
I wan't talking about Noem and Good, the only thing I was referring to was pretti.

By the way, the question about investigations and someone mentioned grand jury etc. I saw a roundtable where, there was a discussion about jurisdiction - federal or state. As you might expect, there was disagreement as to whether or not state would have any jurisdiction.
 

FLaw47

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I don't know if you're reading my posts, or if I'm misreading you, but in my post I said trump,Walz,, vance , frey, Homan and bovino. I'm not incredulous about any elected official, I just think all of them heave disqualified themselves from an investigation based on the statements. (in spite of the belief that non of them know what they're talking about)
I wan't talking about Noem and Good, the only thing I was referring to was pretti.

By the way, the question about investigations and someone mentioned grand jury etc. I saw a roundtable where, there was a discussion about jurisdiction - federal or state. As you might expect, there was disagreement as to whether or not state would have any jurisdiction.

What have the MN officials said to discredit their ability too oversee an investigation? Noem and Trump have both weighed in extremely directly on the immediate situation.
 

baltimorened

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What have the MN officials said to discredit their ability too oversee an investigation? Noem and Trump have both weighed in extremely directly on the immediate situation.
no question Noem and Trump are out over their skis...Walz made the comment at a press conference that pretti was "murdered", he then made comments about the federal government that can "kill, injure or menace and kidnap citizens off the streets". It's pretty clear to me that, in his mind, he has found ICE guilty of murder.

So IMO both the state and the Fed leaders have disqualified themselves from being impartial. You can disagree, and I certainly can't argue with your opinion.
 

FLaw47

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no question Noem and Trump are out over their skis...Walz made the comment at a press conference that pretti was "murdered", he then made comments about the federal government that can "kill, injure or menace and kidnap citizens off the streets". It's pretty clear to me that, in his mind, he has found ICE guilty of murder.

So IMO both the state and the Fed leaders have disqualified themselves from being impartial. You can disagree, and I certainly can't argue with your opinion.

I cannot find anywhere that Walz has said he was murdered. Got a link?

ICE is very objectively killing, menacing, and injuring. There is absolutely 0 dispute.