ICE murders another unarmed person
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ICE Barbie stirring the hornets nest with this comment
Wait, Growls. Come on dude. You have found your people warring against the deep state, qanon, etc. on the internet. It is where you have found your truth and your people. It's your hobby- everything you believe on the internet, you repost on here.
So when the narrative turns away from where you want it, you try and belittle people's frustration with animal videos? I understand you also post cute animal videos in another thread, but multiple american citizens are dead and people are mad about it.
This is quite the weird turn my guy
FWIW - AI is not picking up any record of Walz referring to the protesters as “murdered”.
Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen as it occasionally get things wrong, but maybe you misremembered something?
@baltimorened I listened again and did hear him say "seeing your son murdered in front of the world", which I agree is not a good framing.
why is it not a good framing? he's describing what was caught on video from multiple angles. only a moron would dispute the merits of that claim.
if you were reacting to the Rodney King video for the first time, would you be expected to totally neuter your reaction?
I'm fine calling it a murder on a personal level. I do think in this context that the chief executive for the state that would likely be charging for murder shouldn't make that sort of statement. I doubt it would amount to anything at all legally (especially when the shooter hasn't been named) but he should have stayed more legally neutral.
Edit: I don't think this in the same ballpark as what the Trump administration has said. I think it's better to be over zealous in an investigation (as there's still a trial) than say "NOTHING TO SEE HERE!"
Ugh, this is a mess. Apparently he was quoting Pretti's parents?
I have no issue with public officials quoting reality. It's the ******** that Bovino/Noem/Trump and the deplorables are pushing when we have actual video evidence to fully disprove their narrative that is the issue right now.
"Matt Walsh and these other right-wing empty men who think they're avatars of über-masculinity particularly hate Alex Pretti because he exemplified the virtues they love to extol but are too cowardly to actually embody.
They cosplay as trad men by dressing up in campy plaid shirts and sitting in podcast studios with a log cabin aesthetic.
Alex Pretti went to the street to fight for causes he believed in, protected and helped others in both how he protested (he was helping two women when ICE grabbed him) and in his work as an ICU nurse. He lived the values they pretend defines them, all while they lack the courage to ever do or risk anything. He's a reminder to them of what they're not: a mirror showing their own fragility.
That's why they feel vicariously strong watching ICE agents shoot him in the back and killed him."
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nope, I've relooked at it 3 times and Walz used the word murdered. I'd attach it if I knew how
I have Google chrome, type in Walz briefing of pretties killing...up come a few briefings
I don't disagree with comparison with Trump. My only point with all of this is that we need an independent investigations..having DHS or Minneapolis police do it will just lead to more questions. I can't envision Tboone, dpic, huckleberry or you accepting Noem announcing we've completed our investigation and find no guilt: and I can't envision tiger growls etc al accepting an investigation done by Minneapolis police announcing we've filed charges against XXXX for murder.
not the way I interpreted it, but hey, I'm not perfect...
Do you feel as if Walz is an unbiased party in this or the Good shooting? I don't and I don't consider Trump, Noem etc all to be unbiased either.
Do it in the cute animals thread. It has no place here and you know it
I'm answering in reverse order. I don't believe an unbiased person exists so that's not a standard I seek. I don't get the feeling from Walz that he's so angry that can't have oversight over an investigation. I do get the feeling that Noem and Trump emphatically cannot be trusted to head an investigation. They've already demonstrated that they're willing to squash investigations.
Let's say for a moment that this isn't a murder and that Walz "forces" an investigation. The investigation returns no evidence to support a murder and Walz forces them to take it to a grand jury. The grand jury still has to return an indictment and a jury still has to convict. The guy would probably be held during that time, which would suck.
Let's take the inverse. Trump directs Noem to kill any investigations and Noem obliges (again, this has already be witnessed). It's just done (on a federal level).
All the underage rape victims of Trump & Friends say "hi!" ... as does Epstein's ghost.
Let's also be clear about something. Tiger Growls liking the outcome of something is like an anti-endorsement and vice versa. For everything thing that there is, there's going to a person who doesn't agree with it. Best not to bother trying to convince them.
Agreed ... why, I remember on 9/11/2001, when we found out a bunch of Middle Eastern folks had hijacked the planes, we all made sure to not be judgy, because there was a possibility they were justified in flying planes into skyscrapers ... maybe the other passengers said something mean to them or something.
Or, and I'm just spitballin' here ... we can just deal in reality.
We have to stop letting MAGAts try and tell us that reality isn't real.
That poor guy was obviously murdered, just like Renee Good. It's not a situation where "well, maybe it wasn't this" or "maybe there was some justification." It's OK to say it, regardless of your position. Murder. Federal agents are now murdering citizens with expressed impunity from the leadership hierarchy of the Second Reich.
Look, I don't think what Walz said is a big deal. I also think it'd have been marginally better had he not said it. It would have cost nothing. And I'm not going to go hard at Ned whilst being wrong and not acknowledge that I was wrong.
Amazing how easy this is
Ok, for all the BaCk ThE bLUe geniuses we have in this thread (except when it comes to J6 of course), here is a frame by frame analysis by a former NYPD lieutenant.
I challenge any of the chuds here, even Mr. Magoo ned to disagree with this breakdown by yet another subject matter expert LEO who has spoken out against this murder.
I challenge any of the chuds here, even Mr. Magoo ned to disagree with this breakdown by yet another subject matter expert LEO who has spoken out against this murder.
like I said, everybody will have an opinion. I certainly can't say yours is any worse or better than mine. I still think independent investigations is better. And I also agree that I don't know who conducts an independent query.
Heck people still can't agree on what mueller's investigation decided
Yeah but he saw Stephen Miller say something different! How can you know which one is true?
My comment wasn't responding to you but I don't really think "independent investigation" is a thing here. And there are people who roughly know what the Mueller probe said and people who are spewing BS. I'm not interested in trying to appease idiots.
it's not you, but there are people who say same thing in the opposite direction.
It all comes back to what I have said many times, "what you see depends upon where you sit"...people can see the same thing and come away with opinions 180 degrees apart. crazy world
He considered these people to be patriots
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God you're embarrassing. Just a Beta *****. I'd be willing to bet you are an epic failure at everything you do. ****** child, ****** friend, ****** employee, ****** human, just ****** all the way around. trump *****.
Weird, none of them interfered with the officers and resisted arrest. And they are all still alive today.
This reminds me of the anti-vax threads. You willingly post clear propaganda all day. You know you do. You want to. We all know you do, and you think its a service to people to "show them the way" however incredibly misguided it is.
I don't give you sh i t for it, because you're consistent. But when the things you shill for everyday affect real american citizens, and they're upset about it, at least defend your position if you want to contribue. Don't denigrate their *also valid* positions by acting like it's not a big deal, nor post stupid animal memes in a real thread where the big boys are talking.
Let your twitter bots do your talking, fine. But don't come in here with people who are talking rationally, with bs. We let you do your bs, and push back on you when we think its wrong or clear propaganda. But the stuff in this thread is a direct outcome of all the things you shill for- so at least engage in an intelligent manner, or just don't engage.
It's insulting and you're better than that
Weird that’s not the standard for being alive in civilized first world nations.
I’m still trying to see what you are referring to as resisting arrest. The guy had his back to the goons while he was trying to help a woman (note she wasn’t attacked by a trans swimmer) and they immediately converged on him in a wolfpack while he tried to get his bearings to avoid being flattened on the concrete under the weight of the jackboots. He was on his hands and knees with his cellphone in one hand still while these officers attacked him from all angles for basically 30 seconds before executing him.
Where the **** is he resisting arrest? Not that it matters to sentient beings.
Shocking that the pedophile protector would have a favorable view of criminals.
It's this simple. If 4 adult males asked you to surrender, how long would it take? It would take me 1 to maybe 2 seconds. The fact that 4 grown, adult males were working for :13 seconds to get cooperation from the suspect, and still didn't have control at the time of shooting, is clear evidence of resisting arrest.
No one is saying he deserved to get shot. No one is saying ICE acted perfectly. What we are saying is that this bozo inserted himself into a situation and caused undo risk. He broke the law in several ways and was intending to agitate. He didn't deserve to die, but he and only he is responsible for his own death. When he interfered with ICE and resisted arrest, he increased the risk of something going wrong exponentially. And he paid the price with his life. It's ugly. It's unfortunate.
You would like to see our politicians from both sides come together and reach an agreement for comprehensive immigration reform.