ICE murders another unarmed person

TigerGrowls

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Go join up. You can wear a mask and terrorize innocent people. Push women down on the ground, detain children, hell even shoot another citizen. You can be a big man with pepper spray and a gun. Stop spam posting and be a man and join up. No competency test or physical anymore. You’d be great.
How about mind your own business squidward?
 

TigerGrowls

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Update from James Okeefe that I am just copying on here. This is an insurrection disguised as protesters.

“URGENT UPDATE: I’ve never experienced anything quite like today in my life. I’ve interacted with the Cartel and have witnessed some crazy things in the desert in ‘24. But what strikes me is how organized these agitators in Minneapolis are. They have spotters everywhere in the city and suburbs, on street corners, even 30 minutes away from downtown. They have people at hotels that work with them and signal to them which made it making it difficult for us to lose our tail once my cover was blown. Usually I lose a tail. Not this time. We switched locations THREE times. I recorded and posted this while leaving Wayzata, while they were STILL surveilling. We all agreed we must make the threats public ASAP, even if we had people still in the field with the hidden cams.
Earlier around noon, while @camhigby released his report on the Signal threads, I was inside what appeared to be a fully autonomous Zone. No police presence. The police were told to leave. I identified myself as Press and they said they will kill Press and will not let me leave. My skin was fully covered because it was so cold. But because they couldn’t verify who I was, they screamed and started throwing ice bottles at us. One hit, @SKRUCHTENMMA , a marine who was with me. They patted him down like THEY were the authorities, attempting to confiscate any weapons. They were set to destroy our vehicle before we even got to it. I will have a full video report shortly.
But the bigger picture here is more important. I am angry. But not at the agitators. I find myself already angry at the people who don’t understand what we’re dealing with and will do nothing about it. When I got to the suburbs I felt like I was in a simulation.
I believe the American people need to wake up. This moment is a warning about where we’re headed. Fear pushes people to care only about their money and their families—I get it. But when fear turns inward, when self-preservation and greed replace moral courage, evil goes unchallenged. And history shows that what we ignore today will come for all of us tomorrow.
Ironically and incredibly, I see that these Communists do not fear death in the same way most good people seem to. The only thing the Communists fear is exposure itself. And that’s good news because it may be our only option.
I’m dead serious about investigating the prosecutors themselves if they don’t hold these Minnesota fraudsters and violent mobsters accountable for what they’re doing. Stay tuned for the videos.”
- James O’Keefe
 

TigerRagRob

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This video and his quote should end any debate. It was a bad 10 shots, it was a murder, and ICE is completely at fault
Not at all. Two of the shootings was justified for sure. This one may be due to the guys gun having a misfire. Again all three happen with people doing illegal things that they shouldnt be doing because Walz wants it to happen to distract from the largest fraud scheme in our history and he is neck deep involved in it. His own daughter says its true. Sorry if i dont give local officials in MN any credibility. They have a history of not being honest and crooked...
 
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TigerRagRob

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of course I do..independent investigation ..Fed will not trust cops, cops will not trust FED.

How is that all over the place? I believe I said originally, independent...

When the FEDs report comes out and says "good kill" how many on here will believe it. When Minneapolis report comes out and say "murder" how many on the right will believe it.

Right now I wouldn't believe either
The country is broken. Which is why we need to separate before it becomes a murder suicide...
 

baltimorened

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I wonder what the major difference is other than trump himself? Cmon, find two brain cells and rub them together. You can do it. The dots are HUGE and the space between them very small so you can connect them.

As an aside, kind of goes against the narratives of a) no other president cared about deporting people; and b) TACO has done more deportations than any other president in history.
yes, but your last sentence does beg the question, why so many protests this time?
 

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has anybody come across information on the "finger loss" by an agent in minneapolis?

Someone posted that they had seen that the finger loss was actually caused by the agent throwing a flash bang...
But so far, news stories still say the finger was bitten off by a protester.

Just trying to follow up.
 

UrHuckleberry

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I wonder what the major difference is other than trump himself? Cmon, find two brain cells and rub them together. You can do it. The dots are HUGE and the space between them very small so you can connect them.

As an aside, kind of goes against the narratives of a) no other president cared about deporting people; and b) TACO has done more deportations than any other president in history.
Assuming that is 4mm importations since I’m continually reading open boards and wide open
 

baltimorened

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Isn't this just another situation where "who do you believe" comes into play. I have read many stories from all over media where Walz and Frey have touted their lack of support for and actions not to support ICE. And ICE, whose credibility is rapidly declining, has said the same thing. Now "a voice from the wilderness comes out and says the opposite.
 
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tigres88

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Ok, so the MAGA spin has been at work overnight, ready for the week! Now the blame gets shifted to the protestors over 2 things so far:

1. They have a signal chat where they are communicating about how they are resisting. It got leaked! The protestors are at fault for ICE murdering 2 citizens because they communicate how to resist tyranny.

2. Some ICE resistance manifesto has come out. It got leaked! The protestors are at fault for ICE murdering 2 citizens because a (maybe real) manifesto is getting passed around about tactics to resist a tyrannical government.

Can't wait for MAGA to really shill this all week. Yall have no shame
 

FLaw47

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well it's good to see you are so open minded. You'd be a great juror if the ICE agents were ever tried in court

In this very thread, to you in fact, I admitted that I was wrong and even argued with my fellow left of center people that the thing I was wrong about actually mattered (if only a little). I'm not going to sit here and say that I'm perfect but everything is relative and you've got some nerve telling me that I'm the close minded one.

In fact, look right here:
yes, but your last sentence does beg the question, why so many protests this time?

It's been explained to you ad nauseum what the protests are about and you flat out refuse to incorporate it into your thinking on this subject.

I update my opinions on things based off of good arguments and facts. The right leaning people on this board, to their general discredit, seldom present me with either. You gave me a youtube search term that I pulled up and re-listened to and then I updated my opinion. I bent over backwards to try and work with you on this. In this thread. One other person cited a part of the Constitution that I was unfamiliar with as well and I admitted that I was wrong.

Your argument of "aww shucks, people are saying different things so I'm just going to keep saying platitudes on the board that add nothing to the conversation" has never been a good one. I understand people see this different ways. I disagree that it makes it impossible to get to something resembling the truth and I disagree that it removes our responsibility to actually think about things. In addition, people will disagree on every topic that there has ever been or ever will be. So bringing it up is a waste of time, it adds nothing to the conversation. I've pointed this out to you and you continue to bring the same point with no updates or refinements and expect it to matter. It doesn't.

I'm going to paint with too broad of a brush here when it comes to Conservatives and ingesting difficult information:

 

UrHuckleberry

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Isn't this just another situation where "who do you believe" comes into play. I have read many stories from all over media where Walz and Frey have touted their lack of support for and actions not to support ICE. And ICE, whose credibility is rapidly declining, has said the same thing. Now "a voice from the wilderness comes out and says the opposite.
It's really not. They could easily share a single criminal in MN DOC that hasn't been passed to ICE in response. But they won't. In fact, they will continue to add any criminals turned over to them as their arrests like they've done before.
 
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has anybody come across information on the "finger loss" by an agent in minneapolis?

Someone posted that they had seen that the finger loss was actually caused by the agent throwing a flash bang...
But so far, news stories still say the finger was bitten off by a protester.

Just trying to follow up.
Hopefully his trigger finger.
 

UrHuckleberry

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has anybody come across information on the "finger loss" by an agent in minneapolis?

Someone posted that they had seen that the finger loss was actually caused by the agent throwing a flash bang...
But so far, news stories still say the finger was bitten off by a protester.

Just trying to follow up.
Just wanted to reiterate that that was just something I heard, not that was reported, etc.

But another reason I want them to all have body cams. It protects them as much as it holds them accountable.
 

fatpiggy

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In this very thread, to you in fact, I admitted that I was wrong and even argued with my fellow left of center people that the thing I was wrong about actually mattered (if only a little). I'm not going to sit here and say that I'm perfect but everything is relative and you've got some nerve telling me that I'm the close minded one.

In fact, look right here:


It's been explained to you ad nauseum what the protests are about and you flat out refuse to incorporate it into your thinking on this subject.

I update my opinions on things based off of good arguments and facts. The right leaning people on this board, to their general discredit, seldom present me with either. You gave me a youtube search term that I pulled up and re-listened to and then I updated my opinion. I bent over backwards to try and work with you on this. In this thread. One other person cited a part of the Constitution that I was unfamiliar with as well and I admitted that I was wrong.

Your argument of "aww shucks, people are saying different things so I'm just going to keep saying platitudes on the board that add nothing to the conversation" has never been a good one. I understand people see this different ways. I disagree that it makes it impossible to get to something resembling the truth and I disagree that it removes our responsibility to actually think about things. In addition, people will disagree on every topic that there has ever been or ever will be. So bringing it up is a waste of time, it adds nothing to the conversation. I've pointed this out to you and you continue to bring the same point with no updates or refinements and expect it to matter. It doesn't.

I'm going to paint with too broad of a brush here when it comes to Conservatives and ingesting difficult information:

"It's been explained to you ad nauseum what the protests are about and you flat out refuse to incorporate it into your thinking on this subject."

Can someone fill me in? I genuinely don't understand the protests. What are we protesting? The way ICE is doing it's job?
 
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tigres88

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"It's been explained to you ad nauseum what the protests are about and you flat out refuse to incorporate it into your thinking on this subject."

Can someone fill me in? I genuinely don't understand the protests. What are we protesting? The way ICE is doing it's job?
- Undocumented immigrants, in general, are statistically less likely to cause crimes than citizens

- There are around 11-14 million undocumented immigrants in America currently (this is only 1-2 million more than in 2015) accounting for only 4% of the population.

- The removal of undocumented immigrants has NEVER been handled by sending armed agents in the streets, never been handled by those armed agents having quotas, never been given the license to go into people's homes, etc. This is a complete reversal of how ICE agents have ever handled deportation or the removal of undocumented people.

- The draconian and authoritarian nature of these methods have gotten people really upset, thus they have been protesting

These are facts.^^ I'm happy to go into my opinion if you'd like
 

FLaw47

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"It's been explained to you ad nauseum what the protests are about and you flat out refuse to incorporate it into your thinking on this subject."

Can someone fill me in? I genuinely don't understand the protests. What are we protesting? The way ICE is doing it's job?

Yes
 

dpic73

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Update from James Okeefe that I am just copying on here. This is an insurrection disguised as protesters.

“URGENT UPDATE: I’ve never experienced anything quite like today in my life. I’ve interacted with the Cartel and have witnessed some crazy things in the desert in ‘24. But what strikes me is how organized these agitators in Minneapolis are. They have spotters everywhere in the city and suburbs, on street corners, even 30 minutes away from downtown. They have people at hotels that work with them and signal to them which made it making it difficult for us to lose our tail once my cover was blown. Usually I lose a tail. Not this time. We switched locations THREE times. I recorded and posted this while leaving Wayzata, while they were STILL surveilling. We all agreed we must make the threats public ASAP, even if we had people still in the field with the hidden cams.
Earlier around noon, while @camhigby released his report on the Signal threads, I was inside what appeared to be a fully autonomous Zone. No police presence. The police were told to leave. I identified myself as Press and they said they will kill Press and will not let me leave. My skin was fully covered because it was so cold. But because they couldn’t verify who I was, they screamed and started throwing ice bottles at us. One hit, @SKRUCHTENMMA , a marine who was with me. They patted him down like THEY were the authorities, attempting to confiscate any weapons. They were set to destroy our vehicle before we even got to it. I will have a full video report shortly.
But the bigger picture here is more important. I am angry. But not at the agitators. I find myself already angry at the people who don’t understand what we’re dealing with and will do nothing about it. When I got to the suburbs I felt like I was in a simulation.
I believe the American people need to wake up. This moment is a warning about where we’re headed. Fear pushes people to care only about their money and their families—I get it. But when fear turns inward, when self-preservation and greed replace moral courage, evil goes unchallenged. And history shows that what we ignore today will come for all of us tomorrow.
Ironically and incredibly, I see that these Communists do not fear death in the same way most good people seem to. The only thing the Communists fear is exposure itself. And that’s good news because it may be our only option.
I’m dead serious about investigating the prosecutors themselves if they don’t hold these Minnesota fraudsters and violent mobsters accountable for what they’re doing. Stay tuned for the videos.”
- James O’Keefe
Did he get shot in the head?
 

tboonpickens

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Wonder if some Republicans are finally explaining to Grandpa how badly he is tanking the midterms and their foreseeable future once he kicks the bucket...

Fox News reporter:


Right winger: