ICE murders another unarmed person

FLaw47

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I don’t think I have ever said it was a clean shoot. It was an accidental shoot of which the deceased actions contributed to.

Very unfortunate. Hopefully other protesters learn the lesson.

Calling it an accident beggars belief. It's honestly less believable than "good shot". It's not like he tripped and the gun fell out and shot the guy multiple times.
 
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tboonpickens

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Calling it an accident beggars belief. It's honestly less believable than "good shot". It's not like he tripped and the gun fell out and shot the guy multiple times.
fatpussy also believes that Trump and Epstein accidentally diddled kids so it doesn't count. fatpussy loves him some pedophiles and murderers.
 

tboonpickens

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dude believes Trump and Epstein accidentally molested 100 children, so accidentally shooting someone 10 times is mere child's play for fatpussy, no pun intended of course.
 

dpic73

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Sortor does not speak for the Trump administration. They issued a statement. Nuff said. Accept the L and move on
Seems to have close contacts in the WH so we'll see.


Nick Sortor (a conservative independent journalist and influencer with over 1.4 million followers on X as
@nicksortor) appears to have close contacts inside the White House during the current Trump administration.
Evidence from multiple sources shows a favored relationship with the administration:
  • He attended a White House roundtable hosted by President Trump on "Antifa" in the State Dining Room (around October 2025), where Trump directly engaged with him (e.g., asking him for information to pursue charges related to flag burning).
  • Following his arrest in Portland, Oregon (during an anti-ICE protest in October 2025), Trump personally texted him support ("Nick, I saw you on television. Great job. We are behind you 100%. Let us know if there is anything we can do…"), and the White House publicly defended him.
  • White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt described his arrest as "extremely troubling," claimed he was ambushed by Antifa while documenting events, and highlighted concerns about press freedom.
  • The administration (including AG Pam Bondi) reportedly launched or ordered investigations tied to his incidents (e.g., into Portland Police after his arrest, as he claimed Bondi confirmed to him directly).
  • Reports describe him as having "White House ties" and a "close relationship with the administration," including being amplified or supported in official channels.
  • He has referenced White House statements or actions in his posts (e.g., updates on Air Force One issues "per the White House," or sharing White House videos), and he received a Secret Service patch after assisting near the White House.
While not a traditional White House correspondent (he's an "independent journalist" focused on on-scene reporting for stories mainstream media avoids), he has received notable access and support not typically extended to most reporters. This aligns with the administration's pattern of granting preferential treatment to aligned influencers and new media figures over legacy outlets.Critics (e.g., in Guardian reporting and petitions) have called for revoking his access, viewing it as favoritism toward partisan content creators, but available information confirms he maintains meaningful connections at high levels.

 

TigerGrowls

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Seems to have close contacts in the WH so we'll see.


Nick Sortor (a conservative independent journalist and influencer with over 1.4 million followers on X as
@nicksortor) appears to have close contacts inside the White House during the current Trump administration.
Evidence from multiple sources shows a favored relationship with the administration:
  • He attended a White House roundtable hosted by President Trump on "Antifa" in the State Dining Room (around October 2025), where Trump directly engaged with him (e.g., asking him for information to pursue charges related to flag burning).
  • Following his arrest in Portland, Oregon (during an anti-ICE protest in October 2025), Trump personally texted him support ("Nick, I saw you on television. Great job. We are behind you 100%. Let us know if there is anything we can do…"), and the White House publicly defended him.
  • White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt described his arrest as "extremely troubling," claimed he was ambushed by Antifa while documenting events, and highlighted concerns about press freedom.
  • The administration (including AG Pam Bondi) reportedly launched or ordered investigations tied to his incidents (e.g., into Portland Police after his arrest, as he claimed Bondi confirmed to him directly).
  • Reports describe him as having "White House ties" and a "close relationship with the administration," including being amplified or supported in official channels.
  • He has referenced White House statements or actions in his posts (e.g., updates on Air Force One issues "per the White House," or sharing White House videos), and he received a Secret Service patch after assisting near the White House.
While not a traditional White House correspondent (he's an "independent journalist" focused on on-scene reporting for stories mainstream media avoids), he has received notable access and support not typically extended to most reporters. This aligns with the administration's pattern of granting preferential treatment to aligned influencers and new media figures over legacy outlets.Critics (e.g., in Guardian reporting and petitions) have called for revoking his access, viewing it as favoritism toward partisan content creators, but available information confirms he maintains meaningful connections at high levels.

He is connected but he was wrong this time imo. I support Bovino going to another state and bringing in homan in at this time. Deportations will continue. This is an insurrection and you should be ashamed to support it.
 
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🚨 Watters: President Trump has already REMOVED 10,000 illegals from Minneapolis.

That’s not just enforcement — that’s an entire congressional district wiped off the map.

No wonder Democrats are panicking.

Fewer illegals means fewer rigged districts, fewer fake “votes,” and less power for the radical left.

This is what REAL border enforcement looks like.

Keep going. America is watching.
 
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1, IMHO, the most beneficial aspect of requiring that search warrants be issued by judges or magistrates is that they are independent or the agency seeking the warrant. Imagine having warrants being issues by administrative judges, which I interpret to mean judges who are employees of the agency which would be seeking their approval of said warrants? So if they don't approve a sufficient percentage of warrants, are they subject to discipline or removal? I realize that the military employs a system of Judge Advocate General ("JAG") officers. I don't pretend to know much about how the JAG Corps works. They are officers and they hold ranks, which makes them subordinate, I believe, to higher ranking non-attorney military officers, but I imagine that the military takes some pains to insulate the JAG Corps from influence by non-attorney military brass. If they did not, there would be little respect for the actions or decisions of military judges.

A second beneficial aspect of requiring that search warrants be issued by judges or magistrates is that judges and magistrates typically have a fairly good understanding of the law and the Constitution, and what constitutes "probable cause."

2. You obviously depart from most of the more ardent Trump Supporters on this Board, but I think it verges on guffaw inducing for you to maintain that you are not a Trump supporter.
nope, not, but where I think he is right, I.e., he agrees with me, I'm a trump supporter. But on issues where he's wrong, I.e., he doesn't agree with me, not a trump supporter. As I have said, I'm AC/DC (not in the bear/Knox way) when it comes to politics, have voted both D and R , based on policies and benefits. I'm not like Flaw47 who says he votes democrat...period. And maybe like you, who based on our years on Blue white and here, might mirror flaw.

Some of you guys can't seem to get your heads around the simple fact that everything Trump does is not bad....he actually does some good things (law of averages maybe). Heck, I even think that Biden and Obama did some good things (law of averages again). So to those folks I appear to be all over the map...not so...I have my opinions/beliefs/ views and they don't track a democrats or republican platform. It is possible to a politician to be right sometimes and wrong others.

OK, back to my legal question...JAG officer, all lawyers, have been "seconded" to serve as immigration judges...went to school to learn the laws and did whatever you have to do to become a judge. They are still military, and I have no idea of the chain of command (who they report to). OK never mind..I asked my second most favorite lawyer, Google AI, and immigration judges cannot issue judicial warrants only administrative
 

fatpiggy

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he wasn't transsexual was he? You're just toying with all of us
Well, it wasn't a comment really worthy of rebuttal.

The events leading to the shooting appear to be accidental. That is, i believe the gun unintentionally discharged causing the other agent to appropriately defend himself. Each of the 10 shots was not accidental, the situation was accidental. But everyone knows that, and that is why it was a troll question in which a well thought out response was not needed.
 

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nope, not, but where I think he is right, I.e., he agrees with me, I'm a trump supporter. But on issues where he's wrong, I.e., he doesn't agree with me, not a trump supporter. As I have said, I'm AC/DC (not in the bear/Knox way) when it comes to politics, have voted both D and R , based on policies and benefits. I'm not like Flaw47 who says he votes democrat...period. And maybe like you, who based on our years on Blue white and here, might mirror flaw.

Some of you guys can't seem to get your heads around the simple fact that everything Trump does is not bad....he actually does some good things (law of averages maybe). Heck, I even think that Biden and Obama did some good things (law of averages again). So to those folks I appear to be all over the map...not so...I have my opinions/beliefs/ views and they don't track a democrats or republican platform. It is possible to a politician to be right sometimes and wrong others.

OK, back to my legal question...JAG officer, all lawyers, have been "seconded" to serve as immigration judges...went to school to learn the laws and did whatever you have to do to become a judge. They are still military, and I have no idea of the chain of command (who they report to). OK never mind..I asked my second most favorite lawyer, Google AI, and immigration judges cannot issue judicial warrants only administrative

I have voted for Republicans before, does that reduce my bias by 95%?
 
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Well, it wasn't a comment really worthy of rebuttal.

The events leading to the shooting appear to be accidental. That is, i believe the gun unintentionally discharged causing the other agent to appropriately defend himself. Each of the 10 shots was not accidental, the situation was accidental. But everyone knows that, and that is why it was a troll question in which a well thought out response was not needed.
well, just for accuracy, not everyone knows the shooting or situation was accidental. I, for one, don't and I could give you a slew of names from on here - starting with Flaw47, Layfayttebear who don't either.
Now, I'll wait for the results of an investigation, but the two I've named have already determined that the shooting was out and out murder.

not being argumentative, just striving for accuratcy
 

fatpiggy

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well, just for accuracy, not everyone knows the shooting or situation was accidental. I, for one, don't and I could give you a slew of names from on here - starting with Flaw47, Layfayttebear who don't either.
Now, I'll wait for the results of an investigation, but the two I've named have already determined that the shooting was out and out murder.

not being argumentative, just striving for accuratcy
I'm not claiming everyone knows the shooting was accidental.

I'm claiming one should be able to infer from my comments that I was not referring to each individual shot being an accident (I don't think the gun accidentally fired 10 times. This should be obvious.) I was referring to the whole situation as a whole as an accident.

Aren't police trained to shoot center mass to kill? He was well within is authority to defend himself in that situation. Law enforcement aren't sitting ducks. He heard "gun!, gun!" from a friendly agent, and saw a perp on the ground struggling for :10 seconds plus, and then saw the protester seemingly reach for his gun on his waist.

Whether that is what actually happened or not, it is reasonable from the video to say that the officer reasonably thought that is what happened. It was reasonable, because of all the commotion and interference the protesters were causing. The whistles, the pushing and shoving, the yelling, the resisting, the possession of the gun (He violated the terms of his carry license when approaching and being aggressive with the officer).

So, i will always maintain the officers right to defend himself in that situation. I also don't believe anyone should be killed for protesting. No one should be killed for resisting arrest. No one should be killed for carrying a firearm. This is why i call the shooting an accident.
 
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I'm not claiming everyone knows the shooting was accidental.

I'm claiming one should be able to infer from my comments that I was not referring to each individual shot being an accident, i was referring to the whole situation as a whole as an accident.

Aren't police trained to shoot center mass to kill? He was well within is authority to defend himself in that situation. Law enforcement aren't sitting ducks. He heard "gun!, gun!" from a friendly agent, and saw a perp on the ground struggling for :10 seconds plus, and then saw the protester seemingly reach for his gun on his waist.

Whether that is what actually happened or not, it is reasonable from the video to say that the officer reasonably thought that is what happened. It was reasonable, because of all the commotion and interference the protesters were causing. The whistles, the pushing and shoving, the yelling, the resisting.I don't think anyone would argue

So, i will always maintain his right to defend himself in that situation. I also don't believe anyone should be killed for protesting. No one should be killed for resisting arrest. No one should be killed for carrying a firearm. This is why i call the shooting an accident.
I'm not debating, and I don't think anyone else would either, the officer's right to defend himself.

But, I just don't think I'm at a position to agree this pretti shooting was accidental, (the situation was being at the wrong place, wrong time, wrong actions of 2 people) . I have not seen anything that leads me to believe I have any accurate idea of what happened. I've read, from people who believe they firmly know what happened but unfortunately opinions/facts range from your accidental to Flaw47's murder.
 

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I'm not debating, and I don't think anyone else would either, the officer's right to defend himself.

But, I just don't think I'm at a position to agree this pretti shooting was accidental, (the situation was being at the wrong place, wrong time, wrong actions of 2 people) . I have not seen anything that leads me to believe I have any accurate idea of what happened. I've read, from people who believe they firmly know what happened but unfortunately opinions/facts range from your accidental to Flaw47's murder.

Go ahead and quote me saying it was a murder. You're making a lot of assumptions about what other people believe and stating it as fact (bias!?). Weirdly this only seems to be something you do to the left of center folks. Can't figure out why that'd be (bias!?).
 

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When's the last time you voted for a Democrat for federal office?
2020...moved then to florida and in 2022 voted for Rubio, in 2024 voted for Scott. Now, if you saw the Democratic candidate put up in both those elections, even you would have voted Republican. Have voted for democrats presidential candidates Clinton, Kerry (I knew him), Obama, (I knew Mccain, couldn't vote for him)

Had I lived in Pa - my previous state, I would have voted for Shapiro...Republican candidate was weak, IMO
 

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2020...moved then to florida and in 2022 voted for Rubio, in 2024 voted for Scott. Now, if you saw the Democratic candidate put up in both those elections, even you would have voted Republican. Have voted for democrats presidential candidates Clinton, Kerry (I knew him), Obama, (I knew Mccain, couldn't vote for him)

Had I lived in Pa - my previous state, I would have voted for Shapiro...Republican candidate was weak, IMO

So do I get any credit for having voted Republican as recently as 2012? I've also voted for Republicans in primaries much more recently than that, does that count?

What I don't understand is why you think me having a hard time voting for a Republican anytime soon means I'm irreparably biased. I have my values and the current Republican party does not represent them at all. I'm happy to spell out my values and you can tell me why I'm wrong on that.
Voting against my values wouldn't make me unbiased, it'd make me a moron.
 

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based on that logic we should all be killed now, including the last person standing.
Exactly. Now maybe you're starting to understand how dangerous it is to say someone showed up to do something (as an assassin/ to commit mass murder / to inflict maximum damage) without the proof to back it up, yet he was treated as though he had actually committed one of those actions.
 
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So do I get any credit for having voted Republican as recently as 2012? I've also voted for Republicans in primaries much more recently than that, does that count?

What I don't understand is why you think me having a hard time voting for a Republican anytime soon means I'm irreparably biased. I have my values and the current Republican party does not represent them at all. I'm happy to spell out my values and you can tell me why I'm wrong on that.
Voting against my values wouldn't make me unbiased, it'd make me a moron.
first things first... I think you're biased, because in one of your posts you said you were biased. I don't think irreparably, I still have hope for you. We still have 3 years for you to discover one thing where you'll agree with Trump

Of course you get credit for voting Republican....but not for voting Republican, but for picking who you thought would be best for the country and yourself.

We all have our values. And, i'd bet (figuratively) that not everyone who voted either for or against Trump has equal values. We're all different. As I posted at least once before, my wife is a total, total Trump supporter...she's like an counter Flaw47....she and I don't see eye to eye on everything either, but I still love her. People disagree and that doesn't mean the other is a Nazi, fascist, moron or other (not that you've called anyone else those) it just means they disagree.

Based on some of your posts where you mention your wife, I'd bet your loveable also....misguided but loveable :)