ICE murders another unarmed person
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first things first... I think you're biased, because in one of your posts you said you were biased. I don't think irreparably, I still have hope for you. We still have 3 years for you to discover one thing where you'll agree with Trump
Of course you get credit for voting Republican....but not for voting Republican, but for picking who you thought would be best for the country and yourself.
We all have our values. And, i'd bet (figuratively) that not everyone who voted either for or against Trump has equal values. We're all different. As I posted at least once before, my wife is a total, total Trump supporter...she's like an counter Flaw47....she and I don't see eye to eye on everything either, but I still love her. People disagree and that doesn't mean the other is a Nazi, fascist, moron or other (not that you've called anyone else those) it just means they disagree.
Based on some of your posts where you mention your wife, I'd bet your loveable also....misguided but loveable
So I'm lost as to what your thesis is here. I think that I'm voting for the best thing for the country every time I vote. I think that's a Democrat the staggering majority of the time. Without knowing how which specific races I voted in, for who, and why, how do you get to claim I have more of a bias than anyone else? I believe I've already cited to you a few things I thought Trump did an ok job on (and project Warp Speed was good but also something any administration would have done). If I recite, does that make any difference to you?
FWIW, I don't really care that you think I'm biased. I am. The things that irk me are:
- You seem to think you can ignore a lot of what I have to say because of that bias
- You're not very open to the idea that you might, yourself, have the same magnitude of bias
- I'm not biased in favor of Democrats. I'm biased in favor of my values. Democrats just so happen to best represent them. If I were a total fan boy, I wouldn't be able to say that Mamdani's support for rent control is stupid.
Fair enough. Not overly vocal against, but not advocating for. Silence does not have to be acquiescence in this instance.
don't want to get at odds...voting values is unarguable....you think democrats are best to meet those also unarguable
You did cite a couple of Trump support issues, I forgot, sorry (don't highlight too many some on here will call you a trumpist) I'm old, I'm supposed to forget things. still sorry
- I don't ignore what you say, at least not intentionally. I respond to your posts more than anyone else's. (Don't you have to work?)
- I have biases...but, again, you're right, I don't think I am any where close to your magnitude.
- as I said, your values are unarguable. If democrats are best to meet those, you should vote that way. In my case, a democrat candidate might meet some of my values and not others...same applies to republicans....Mamdani is not a democrat.....
thank you (I think)
Line by line here:
- I don't mean to say that you literally ignore me, more than you devalue what I say. You certainly do engage with me plenty. My job is not always that demanding so I unfortunately (or fortunately) have time to talk on here. You'll probably notice I'm less involved here outside of work hours because parenting is much more demanding but, when I have to work, it's full focus for a while.
- I guess I'm going to leave this one alone, we aren't really getting anywhere. But to be clear, while I use your perceived bias to inform my interpretations of what you're saying (and certainly the why), the what of what you're saying will be the most important thing to me.
- Mamdani is a member of the Democratic party so I think my point is valid. If you want someone more mainstream, I think it was asinine that Harris supported no tax on tips/overtime and I'm broadly skeptical of demand side subsidies (so the home loan thing is something I wasn't a fan of) and I wasn't a supporter of the attempted student loan forgiveness. I'm very capable of criticizing my own "side" when I think they're wrong.
They arrested his dad who abandoned him and ran. Assuming that’s true, they couldn’t exactly leave the kid in the street by himself.
Technically he was armed. Not that it matters because he doesn’t seem to have ever reached for the gun.
I’ll let it play out but this looks like a bad shoot. A giant clusterfuck really.
He didn’t.
Best theory I’ve heard is that one agent disarmed the guy (took the gun from his holster), and either he had an accidental discharge OR the gun ‘went off’ and a second agent, thinking the guy was shooting at them, shot ‘back’ and killed him.
Pretti’s (sp?) gun was an Sig 320, and it has a history of accidental discharges (‘going off’).
Overall a ‘bad shoot’ since they shot someone who wasn’t a threat. But how that plays out legally, I have no idea.
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I was being sarcastic because some idiot started a thread before the facts came out
thanks for responding...Mamdani is a Democratic socialist..to quote him, "I ran as a democratic socialist and will govern as a democratic socialist" I doubt most running for congress as democrats in 2026, will want to be cast as democrat socialists..might be wrong,
If it appears I devalue what you say, I apologize. I don't mean to devalue anybody or anybody's opinions. I might disagree, but respect that not everybody sees things the same way I do.
Wow, this is interesting
Current and former lawmakers have urged Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni to intervene to block the agents’ presence in the wake of two fatal shootings during an immigration crackdown in Minneapolis.
Italians furious over deployment of ICE agents to bolster US security at Winter Olympics
Outrage is growing in Italy over the deployment of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents to assist US security operations at the Winter Olympics next month.Current and former lawmakers have urged Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni to intervene to block the agents’ presence in the wake of two fatal shootings during an immigration crackdown in Minneapolis.
Its unlawful and violates RICO. Its not protest its insurrection and if money funding it can be traced to Canadian marxist or China it could be treason. They all also can be charged with murder and if Good was part of that group also then a second murder charge of all the members. This is why Walz called Trump. He needs to make a deal since we got the goods on them. Look for MN to cooperate with the FEDS way more moving forward. They need to move the news to a different topic so MN fades away quietly...Also, a misconception that Pretti was at a "protest" is wrong:
Something getting lost is that there are three distinct major kinds of protest happening in MInnesota.
1. There’s the big peace marches (like friday), which ICE avoids.
2. There is the 24/7 Whipple Building protest, constant low-grade aggression.
3. And then there’s fighting ICE in the streets. That’s 100% rapid response. An ICE attack only lasts minutes, and they happen dozens of times a day, across a 3.7M person metro. People hear whistles and car horns and come running. THAT is the kind Pretti was in.
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Something getting lost is that there are three distinct major kinds of protest happening in MInnesota. There’s the big peace marches (like friday), which ICE avoids. There is the 24/7 Whipple Building protest, constant low-grade aggression. And then there’s fighting ICE in the streets. That’s...www.threads.com
Also, the "signal" chats that maga decided to be all mad about today are simply how the resistance in minneapolis are coordinating when ICE is spotted so they can alert community members, be there to film them to keep them accountable, and for people of color to stay safe (since they are detaining and nabbing anyone who 'looks' like they could be undocumented).
This is by far my favorite nut nut theory.
Amazing the craven lunacy the Trump administration has mainlined without a peep from concerned citizens like blind ned and fatpussy.
blind ned says now hold on Senator Paul let's just wait for all the facts before we get mad that DHS spread false narratives right out the gate...
The SIG p320 has a history of this. SIG had a recall for a fix. Not sure if his gun was ever fixed, but if he didnt send it back then yes. I cant tell in that pic if its a sig. If the gun misfired while they were struggling with him I would call it unfortunate but still a good shoot based on my experience being in firefights. You are talking about one second here in a heated situation when Officers have been ambushed and killed and threats against their lives made and bounty's put on their heads and their families threaten the same. You got an insurgent resisting has a gun and somebody yells gun and the weapon fires. Most officers dont see the gun hear the shot then shoot the perceived threat until he's not a threat. Ive said before my team put over 100 rounds into a car because it was trying to run a checkpoint and we thought it might be a vbied. Point is you shoot until the treat is no longer a threat because more people get killed if you dont. These no time to monday morning quarterback these situations. The decision has to be made in a split second, you dont have time to think about it. You decide and react in less than 1 second to a threat. Not easy choices, thats why its a hard job either in the military or law enforcement and not many people are able to doing those jobs. You got to make a call, being indecisive leads to more death and worst outcomes. Have a thick skin because sometimes you make the wrong call and have to live with that. People died because of your call. But its way worse to freeze and not make a call that gets almost everybody killed. It sucks but thats how mother nature works. Its not pretty most of the time. Life is hard. You make choices and you live and die with them. That guy decided to become an insurrectionist and unlawfully confront Law Enforcement with a faulty loaded weapon and it cost him his life and it caused tensions to rise not only in the city but country...
Almost as good as some of the leftist stuff. I didnt add any Russian hooker material or fake nuke docs to spice it up like you guys do...
I'm not one of "you guys", I'm just also not one of you guys. Either way, I feel really good in saying there will be no RICO claims. I think that as dirty as this administration is and all the double dealing, pardons, and "deals" that trump does for his own gain in some way, shape, or form, I think the concept of starting to spell the word "RICO" would be like radiation to him.
They got the signal chat and RICO is in play thus the panic in MN atm because they know it....They might make a deal to avoid RICO and murder charges. Which is why I say things are going to calm down in MN and locals will assist ICE moving forward...
Uh oh. Doesn't take a whole lot to call this motive...
Federal immigration officers have been collecting personal information about protesters and agitators in Minneapolis, sources told CNN – and had documented details about Alex Pretti before he was shot to death on Saturday.
It is unclear how Pretti first came to the attention of federal authorities, but sources told CNN that about a week before his death, he suffered a broken rib when a group of federal officers tackled him while he was protesting their attempt to detain other individuals.
A memo sent earlier this month to agents temporarily assigned to the city asked them to “capture all images, license plates, identifications, and general information on hotels, agitators, protestors, etc., so we can capture it all in one consolidated form,” according to correspondence reviewed by CNN.
Pretti’s previous encounter is another reflection of the aggressive approach federal agents are taking with observers and protesters – a philosophy underscored by the request for agents to collect information about protesters whose activities are broadly protected by the First Amendment.
The Department of Homeland Security has repeatedly warned of threats against federal law enforcement officers during immigration enforcement operations—and criticized protesters who they argue are impeding those operations. On Tuesday, the department also publicized an online tip form to share information about people allegedly harassing ICE officers.
“When our law enforcement encounter a violent agitator who is breaking the law, obstructing law enforcement or assaulting them, our law enforcement make records to advance prosecution. This is not ground breaking, it is standard protocol,” said DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin in a statement.
The earlier incident started when he stopped his car after observing ICE agents chasing what he described as a family on foot, and began shouting and blowing his whistle, according to a source who asked not to be named out of fear of retribution.
Pretti later told the source that five agents tackled him and one leaned on his back – an encounter that left him with a broken rib. The agents quickly released him at the scene.
“That day, he thought he was going to die,” said the source.
Pretti was later given medication consistent with treating a broken rib, according to records reviewed by CNN.
Earlier this month, a DHS official in Minneapolis sent a memo to Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations officers assigned to the state on temporary duty asking them to use a form to input information on protesters and agitators.
The form — titled “intel collection non-arrests” — allows agents to fill in personal information of agitators and protesters who they encounter. It’s not clear whether other agencies in Minnesota are also using the form.
Previously, agents had informally shared information about protesters and agitators with each other, the memo said.
Pretti’s name was known to federal agents, according to a source – though it’s unclear whether the new intake form was used to share his information.
It’s also not clear whether the federal agents who encountered Pretti on Saturday recognized him before they confronted him – eventually wrestling him to the ground, taking a gun from his waistband and then fatally shooting him.
Some Trump officials have spoken publicly about the idea of creating a database of protesters, though it’s not clear what ICE has done with the information collected through the form circulated to agents in Minneapolis.
“One thing I’m pushing for right now … we’re going to create a database where those people that are arrested for interference, impeding and assault, we’re going to make them famous,” Tom Homan, Trump’s border czar, told Fox News earlier this month. “We’re going to put their face on TV. We’re going to let their employers, in their neighborhoods, in their schools, know who these people are.”
On Sunday, a DHS spokeswoman denied the agency was compiling a database of “domestic terrorists” after a video in Maine showed a federal agent recording the license plate of a woman observing him during an operation and telling her, “We have a nice little database and now you are considered a domestic terrorist.”
McLaughlin told CNN about the Maine incident, “There is NO database of ‘domestic terrorists’ run by DHS. We do of course monitor and investigate and refer all threats, assaults and obstruction of our officers to the appropriate law enforcement. Obstructing and assaulting law enforcement is a felony and a federal crime.”
In her statement to CNN on Tuesday, she reiterated that there is no DHS database.
Federal officials have made clear they are investigating anti-ICE activities they allege crossed the line into violence.
On Monday, FBI Director Kash Patel said the agency was investigating Signal group chats used by observers to share information about ICE activities, warning on a conservative podcast that people cannot “create a scenario that illegally entraps and puts law enforcement in harm’s way.”
On Tuesday, DHS announced it was launching an investigation into a US citizen “who attempted to purchase a firearm on two separate occasions,” allegedly stated she wanted to “protect herself from ICE Agents, and also to kill ICE Agents.”
Federal immigration officers have been collecting personal information about protesters and agitators in Minneapolis, sources told CNN – and had documented details about Alex Pretti before he was shot to death on Saturday.
It is unclear how Pretti first came to the attention of federal authorities, but sources told CNN that about a week before his death, he suffered a broken rib when a group of federal officers tackled him while he was protesting their attempt to detain other individuals.
A memo sent earlier this month to agents temporarily assigned to the city asked them to “capture all images, license plates, identifications, and general information on hotels, agitators, protestors, etc., so we can capture it all in one consolidated form,” according to correspondence reviewed by CNN.
Pretti’s previous encounter is another reflection of the aggressive approach federal agents are taking with observers and protesters – a philosophy underscored by the request for agents to collect information about protesters whose activities are broadly protected by the First Amendment.
The Department of Homeland Security has repeatedly warned of threats against federal law enforcement officers during immigration enforcement operations—and criticized protesters who they argue are impeding those operations. On Tuesday, the department also publicized an online tip form to share information about people allegedly harassing ICE officers.
“When our law enforcement encounter a violent agitator who is breaking the law, obstructing law enforcement or assaulting them, our law enforcement make records to advance prosecution. This is not ground breaking, it is standard protocol,” said DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin in a statement.
The earlier incident started when he stopped his car after observing ICE agents chasing what he described as a family on foot, and began shouting and blowing his whistle, according to a source who asked not to be named out of fear of retribution.
Pretti later told the source that five agents tackled him and one leaned on his back – an encounter that left him with a broken rib. The agents quickly released him at the scene.
“That day, he thought he was going to die,” said the source.
Pretti was later given medication consistent with treating a broken rib, according to records reviewed by CNN.
Earlier this month, a DHS official in Minneapolis sent a memo to Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations officers assigned to the state on temporary duty asking them to use a form to input information on protesters and agitators.
The form — titled “intel collection non-arrests” — allows agents to fill in personal information of agitators and protesters who they encounter. It’s not clear whether other agencies in Minnesota are also using the form.
Previously, agents had informally shared information about protesters and agitators with each other, the memo said.
Pretti’s name was known to federal agents, according to a source – though it’s unclear whether the new intake form was used to share his information.
It’s also not clear whether the federal agents who encountered Pretti on Saturday recognized him before they confronted him – eventually wrestling him to the ground, taking a gun from his waistband and then fatally shooting him.
Some Trump officials have spoken publicly about the idea of creating a database of protesters, though it’s not clear what ICE has done with the information collected through the form circulated to agents in Minneapolis.
“One thing I’m pushing for right now … we’re going to create a database where those people that are arrested for interference, impeding and assault, we’re going to make them famous,” Tom Homan, Trump’s border czar, told Fox News earlier this month. “We’re going to put their face on TV. We’re going to let their employers, in their neighborhoods, in their schools, know who these people are.”
On Sunday, a DHS spokeswoman denied the agency was compiling a database of “domestic terrorists” after a video in Maine showed a federal agent recording the license plate of a woman observing him during an operation and telling her, “We have a nice little database and now you are considered a domestic terrorist.”
McLaughlin told CNN about the Maine incident, “There is NO database of ‘domestic terrorists’ run by DHS. We do of course monitor and investigate and refer all threats, assaults and obstruction of our officers to the appropriate law enforcement. Obstructing and assaulting law enforcement is a felony and a federal crime.”
In her statement to CNN on Tuesday, she reiterated that there is no DHS database.
Federal officials have made clear they are investigating anti-ICE activities they allege crossed the line into violence.
On Monday, FBI Director Kash Patel said the agency was investigating Signal group chats used by observers to share information about ICE activities, warning on a conservative podcast that people cannot “create a scenario that illegally entraps and puts law enforcement in harm’s way.”
On Tuesday, DHS announced it was launching an investigation into a US citizen “who attempted to purchase a firearm on two separate occasions,” allegedly stated she wanted to “protect herself from ICE Agents, and also to kill ICE Agents.”
No one in MN is panicking. The left isn't panicking. All this signal chat stuff is simply to get the conspiracy theorists riled up again. Citizens are allowed to communicate and congregate together, using messaging apps.
You're letting your echo chamber get you all hot and bothered- its just propaganda dude
Sorry thats just you in denial and hoping its not true. Remember what you told me before in private. That applies here....
What I told you in private is that there is OF COURSE propaganda on both sides as a mean to control. I try and call it on both sides- I've yelled at many a far leftist on here who have made sh it up, their leftist propaganda about there being "no midterms," calling everyone on the right "nazi's" etc.
I really hate propaganda/echo chambers and try to be equal opportunity in my calling out of clear propaganda bs.
I see nothing that he did unlawful. Standing in the road directing traffic isn't unlawful. When asked to go to the sidewalk, he did. Filming, not unlawful. Seeing someone be the target of excessive force by LE and helping them up isn't unlawful. Getting sprayed in the face with pepper spray, for no reason at all, not unlawful. Getting tackled by 5 guys, getting beat, pistol whipped, etc, not sure what else you're supposed to do. Most people when getting beaten instinctively move to cover their fact and ribs. He was down on all 4s protecting himself while being pistol whipped. If agents can shoot you with no consequences when at no point in danger from you, then they can do what they want. You also don't have a right, if they can kill you for said right.
Obstruction,interfering,resisting,unlawfully carrying a firearm with no ID, Conspiracy, Rico violations. The whole signal group there are guilty of many of those charges except the gun and resisting stuff. Only the people resisting detainment or arrest would the resisting apply to...
Waiting on you to ever call out the leftist propaganda. I dont recall that ever happening. Did you ever call out the guy was armed and not unarmed? Did you call out ICE arrested a 5 year old?
I haven't invented charges to try to excuse "my team" killing someone. I don't like a GREAT NUMBER of Democrats, disagree with a lot of policies, and know that many on the left embellish, manipulate, have titles of articles that don't match the actual article, I think there are violent people on the left, I think there are complete nut jobs on the left that I wouldn't be surprised if they did anything, there are drug addicts, there are conspiracy theorists, there are fraudsters, there are criminals, there are pedophiles, there are rapists, etc etc etc. "My side" is somewhere close to half the country, and with that many millions of people, there are people of all failings you want. I have never denied any single part of this. I try to discuss specific instances, because I don't ever want to say no one on my side will do this, or everyone on your side would do this. Because that is literally the dumbest thing anyone could do. Act like everyone on the left does XYW or everyone on the right acts like ABC. I look at this situation, and I see all the videos of the agents shoving people around, beating on them, and eventually shooting them. I don't have to know what my team says about any of this to know that I am against it.
You're not paying attention if you haven't seen him call out people on the left, sometimes harshly. Let's just say he's not a shrinking violet in that regard haha. I'd also advise you that if you have private conversations with people, you shouldn't air them publicly or they'll no longer trust you.
Now back to posting tweets from paid influencers who will speak for your nutty conspiracies.
far from invented. There is a reason Walz went running to Trump after they found out their Signal group had been infiltrated and their secret was out. Thats why their platforms look like Hitlers bunker right before the Russians charged in. Try to destroy all evidence and leaving the state and county. But its the internet and its forever...
And I think that is all nonsense. They want the surge out of their city, they want people to stop dying. People to stop being profiled. "Running to Trump". The governor of a state calling the president when federal things are going on in their state isn't "running to" anyone. Did you see that people were all provided with a script of things to say about that call afterwards? To try to control the narrative. (google Brad Finstad),
You know how you know your influenced by propaganda? By making propaganda on your propaganda machine explaining that you aren't influenced by propaganda. Then your audience of echo chamber yes men, all hug each other over this message and repeat the mantra: We arent' influenced by propaganda.
"Patel said in an interview with conservative podcaster Benny Johnson that he wanted to know whether any Minnesota residents had put federal agents “in harm’s way” with activities such as sharing agents’ license plate numbers and locations.
“You cannot create a scenario that illegally entraps and puts law enforcement in harm’s way,” he said in the interview, which was posted to YouTube.
The investigation quickly drew skepticism from free speech advocates who said the First Amendment protects members of the public who share legally obtained information, such as the names of federal agents or where they are conducting enforcement operations.
“There are legitimate reasons to share such information, including enabling members of the public to observe and document law enforcement activity and to hold officials accountable for misconduct,” Aaron Terr, director of public advocacy at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, said in an email.
“Given this administration’s poor track record of distinguishing protected speech from criminal conduct, any investigation like this deserves very close scrutiny,” he said.
For months, digital tools have been at the center of how people have pushed back against immigration enforcement efforts in Minnesota and across the country. The administration’s opponents have used group text chats to track Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations, share photos of suspected ICE vehicles and raise awareness for neighbors. In June, administration officials criticized ICEBlock, an app designed to share information about ICE sightings. Apple removed the app from its app store in October, prompting a lawsuit from the app’s developer alleging the administration unlawfully pressured Apple to remove it.
“The ability of everyday citizens to hold government agents to account, by observing them and advocating for change, is what has distinguished the American experiment with democracy from authoritarian regimes around the world,” Abdo said in an email.
“Unless the FBI has evidence of a crime, and not just evidence of activity the Constitution protects, it should stand down,” he said."
FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal groups tracking ICE, Patel says
FBI Director Kash Patel made the statement after right-wing media figures said they joined the chats and claimed participants were obstructing law enforcement.
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