ICE murders another unarmed person

[dpic73]

so he was a repeat offender

This is you trying to blame the victim to provide cover for the brutal behavior of Mango Mussolini's shock troops but you will not win.

America knows what happened here and no matter how you slice it, he was not responsible for his own death. The video doesn't lie so you can stop spamming the board with propaganda that nobody but maga miscreants will buy.

The real domestic terrorists are in the highest branches of our government.

 

[fatpiggy]

Oh look at this little angel that was just there to direct traffic

 

[dpic73]

Oh look at this little angel that was just there to direct traffic

Yes, they tackled him and broke his rib and that means what?

 

[Jfcarter3]

She's obviously bright. Be curious the same analysis but to the right. Because the other side of that coin 110% exists.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Oh look at this little angel that was just there to direct traffic

Again, I'd argue motive at a bare minimum and probably premeditation in the wrongful death law suit.

 

[LafayetteBear]

The SIG p320 has a history of this. SIG had a recall for a fix. Not sure if his gun was ever fixed, but if he didnt send it back then yes. I cant tell in that pic if its a sig. If the gun misfired while they were struggling with him I would call it unfortunate but still a good shoot based on my experience being in firefights. You are talking about one second here in a heated situation when Officers have been ambushed and killed and threats against their lives made and bounty's put on their heads and their families threaten the same. You got an insurgent resisting has a gun and somebody yells gun and the weapon fires. Most officers dont see the gun hear the shot then shoot the perceived threat until he's not a threat. Ive said before my team put over 100 rounds into a car because it was trying to run a checkpoint and we thought it might be a vbied. Point is you shoot until the treat is no longer a threat because more people get killed if you dont. These no time to monday morning quarterback these situations. The decision has to be made in a split second, you dont have time to think about it. You decide and react in less than 1 second to a threat. Not easy choices, thats why its a hard job either in the military or law enforcement and not many people are able to doing those jobs. You got to make a call, being indecisive leads to more death and worst outcomes. Have a thick skin because sometimes you make the wrong call and have to live with that. People died because of your call. But its way worse to freeze and not make a call that gets almost everybody killed. It sucks but thats how mother nature works. Its not pretty most of the time. Life is hard. You make choices and you live and die with them. That guy decided to become an insurrectionist and unlawfully confront Law Enforcement with a faulty loaded weapon and it cost him his life and it caused tensions to rise not only in the city but country...

You devoted several hundred words to an attempt to manufacture a self defense argument for those ICE agents. Unfortunately, you don't know what kind of gun Pretti in fact had, or whether the first shot that was fired was in fact Pretti's gun. It certainly doesn't look like it from the videos, which show an ICE agent plucking a gun from Pretti's holster and exiting the scrum in order to set it aside about a second before the first shot was heard, and you could see that it did not come from the gun in that agent's hand.

Neither can you provide any evidence of someone yelling "gun" prior to the first shot. No such video has surfaced. Rather, we have video of the gun being removed by an ICE agent and ICE agents turning over the corpse and exclaiming "Where's the gun?!" Whoops, no gun!

The rest of your post is a bunch of apologia about shooting first and asking questions later, decrying "Monday morning quarterbacks," and asserting that Pretti was "an insurrectionist" who "unlawfully confront[ed] Law Enforcement." Good luck selling that. Even Erick Erickson disagrees with you there. He repeatedly notes that Pretti was attempting to lead the woman who had been roughly shoved into the snow by an ICE agent away from the scene when an ICE agent grabbed him and began pepper spraying him.

 

[dpic73]

 

[tboonpickens]

This dude is a bag fumbling machine right now. Just totally in the zone.

 

[tboonpickens]

You know it's bad when the Italians don't want your fascist mafioso in their country.

 

[dpic73]

This dude is a bag fumbling machine right now. Just totally in the zone.

It all depends on what protest you're talking about.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

Oh look at this little angel that was just there to direct traffic

 

[firegiver]

you get a strawman and you get a strawman.
Ya'll don't even care to understand other people and just project nonesense to make fun, while people literally got killed. This is the definition of bad faith.

 

[tboonpickens]

interesting to see how Europeans view the monstrosities of the Trump regime.

 

[dpic73]

interesting to see how Europeans view the monstrosities of the Trump regime.

Ugh, says it concerns him that he's a foreigner in this country. Hate how the world now views us smh.

 

[dpic73]

Not only do they not care, they will respond to our disgust with a string of giggle emojis

 

[baltimorened]

you get a strawman and you get a strawman.
Ya'll don't even care to understand other people and just project nonesense to make fun, while people literally got killed. This is the definition of bad faith.

not sure of bad faith, but definitely bad judgement.

From all indications Pretti was a good human being, sticking up for his beliefs. You can agree with him or disagree , still his death is a tragedy...

 

[dpic73]

interesting to see how Europeans view the monstrosities of the Trump regime.

"Their aim is simply to break you to pieces"

 

[CU Alumnus]

You go to jail. There is no oopsie.

Here’s where I’m coming from. And I’m not disagreeing with you.

Agenr 1 finds gun. Has an AD/ND

Agent 2 heard gunshot and reacts to it. Kills suspect.

Agent 1 didn’t kill the guy but his mistake led to the issue.

Agent 2 was reacting to the gunshot. Is that procedure?

My opinion - agent 2 is in the ****. Shooting in response before assessing where the gunfire is coming from, on a crowded street in a city, is just NOT a good idea.

 

[tboonpickens]

only one answer here...send the ICE Gestapo to TX!

 

[TheValley91]

Here’s where I’m coming from. And I’m not disagreeing with you.

Agenr 1 finds gun. Has an AD/ND

Agent 2 heard gunshot and reacts to it. Kills suspect.

Agent 1 didn’t kill the guy but his mistake led to the issue.

Agent 2 was reacting to the gunshot. Is that procedure?

My opinion - agent 2 is in the ****. Shooting in response before assessing where the gunfire is coming from, on a crowded street in a city, is just NOT a good idea.

It shows how poorly trained/run ICE is.

And we still don't know any of the names of the agents involved in this either. Zero transparency.

 

[tboonpickens]

It shows how poorly trained/run ICE is.

 

[dpic73]

ICE cannot detain or search without a judicial warrant. "We don’t need one," is a lie.

 

[CU Alumnus]

The SIG p320 has a history of this. SIG had a recall for a fix. Not sure if his gun was ever fixed, but if he didnt send it back then yes. I cant tell in that pic if its an sig. If the gun misfired while they were struggling with him I would call it unfortunate but still a good shoot based on my experience being in firefights. You are talking about one second here in a heated situation when Officers have been ambushed and killed and threats against their lives made and bounty's put on their heads and their families threaten the same. You got an insurgent resisting has a gun and somebody yells gun and the weapon fires. Most officers dont see the gun hear the shot then shoot the perceived threat until he's not a threat. Ive said before my team put over 100 rounds into a car because it was trying to run a checkpoint and we thought it might be a vbied. Point is you shoot until the treat is no longer a threat because more people get killed if you dont. These no time to monday morning quarterback these situations. The decision has to be made in a split second, you dont have time to think about it. You decide and react in less than 1 second to a threat. Not easy choices, thats why its a hard job either in the military or law enforcement and not many people are able to doing those jobs. You got to make a call, being indecisive leads to more death and worst outcomes. Have a thick skin because sometimes you make the wrong call and have to live with that. People died because of your call. But its way worse to freeze and not make a call that gets almost everybody killed. It sucks but thats how mother nature works. Its not pretty most of the time. Life is hard. You make choices and you live and die with them. That guy decided to become an insurrectionist and unlawfully confront Law Enforcement with a faulty loaded weapon and it cost him his life and it caused tensions to rise not only in the city but country...

Three things:

1). Thank you for your service. Seriously
2). Dude - paragraphs. PLEASE
3). You’re comparing a police interaction in a US city to a military one in I assume Iraq or Afghanistan. I don’t think that’s the right take.

I get that these agents are nervous and hyper vigilant. And I get that the Minnesota and Minneapolis law enforcement communities and politicians, as well as Trump and ICE Barbie, are helping cause this by their inaction and open hostility. The ICE agents are kind of caught in the middle.

But that doesn’t justify this kind of crap.

But it does demonstrate why there needs to be local law enforcement involvement.

 

[dpic73]

 

[CU Alumnus]

You devoted several hundred words to an attempt to manufacture a self defense argument for those ICE agents. Unfortunately, you don't know what kind of gun Pretti in fact had, or whether the first shot that was fired was in fact Pretti's gun. It certainly doesn't look like it from the videos, which show an ICE agent plucking a gun from Pretti's holster and exiting the scrum in order to set it aside about a second before the first shot was heard, and you could see that it did not come from the gun in that agent's hand.

Neither can you provide any evidence of someone yelling "gun" prior to the first shot. No such video has surfaced. Rather, we have video of the gun being removed by an ICE agent and ICE agents turning over the corpse and exclaiming "Where's the gun?!" Whoops, no gun!

The rest of your post is a bunch of apologia about shooting first and asking questions later, decrying "Monday

I’m pretty sure they’ve confirmed the gun was a 320. Which is the problematic gun.

It shows how poorly trained/run ICE is.

And we still don't know any of the names of the agents involved in this either. Zero transparency.

They don’t seem to know WTF they’re doing.

I do agree with not releasing names though. Release names and next thing you know the agents’ families will be targeted. Then **** gets REALLY ugly.

 

[yoshi121374]

Jesus. Literally no shame and all a joke to you. A man is dead at the hands of our government.

 

[TigerRagRob]

Three things:

1). Thank you for your service. Seriously
2). Dude - paragraphs. PLEASE
3). You’re comparing a police interaction in a US city to a military one in I assume Iraq or Afghanistan. I don’t think that’s the right take.

I get that these agents are nervous and hyper vigilant. And I get that the Minnesota and Minneapolis law enforcement communities and politicians, as well as Trump and ICE Barbie, are helping cause this by their inaction and open hostility. The ICE agents are kind of caught in the middle.

But that doesn’t justify this kind of crap.

But it does demonstrate why there needs to be local law enforcement involvement.

No just talking about the moment when shots are fired and all the things being processed in one second...

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

Jesus. Literally no shame and all a joke to you. A man is dead at the hands of our government.

And a lot of innocent teenage girls are dead at the hands of the illegals you freaks are trying to protect. No shame

 

[dpic73]

And a lot of innocent teenage girls are dead at the hands of the illegals you freaks are trying to protect. No shame

Do you see us posting funny memes about those girls?

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

Do you see us posting funny memes about those girls?

So you admit it was funny

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

Do you see us posting funny memes about those girls?

Also these girls weren’t agitators that were strapped with 9MM and 2 magazines

 

[fatpiggy]

So which of these do our leftist friends not agree with?

 

[dpic73]

So you admit it was funny

No, I didn't find it funny at all.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

Do you see us posting funny memes about those girls?

Also @tboonpickens commented on how trashy Laken Riley’s fam was if memory serves. Does that count?

 

[dpic73]

Also @tboonpickens commented on how trashy Laken Riley’s fam was if memory serves. Does that count?

I know better than to trust the words of an obnoxious, juvenile punk like you. I'll let him answer for that.

 

[Moogy]

So which of these do our leftist friends not agree with?

Is this a parody account?

How is it the White House doesn't have the foggiest notion of what the Constitution says?

This is beyond embarrassing.

Or dangerously a blatant signal that they're not even going to pretend that the Constitution matters any longer.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

I know better than to trust the words of an obnoxious, juvenile punk like you. I'll let him answer for that.

K

 

[TheValley91]

I’m pretty sure they’ve confirmed the gun was a 320. Which is the problematic gun.

They don’t seem to know WTF they’re doing.

I do agree with not releasing names though. Release names and next thing you know the agents’ families will be targeted. Then **** gets REALLY ugly.

Police officers have their identies made public when there is a death of a civilian. Because these agents are nameless/faceless, it creates even more distrust in the community.

Not releasing their names in fear is a poor excuse IMO.

 

[dpic73]

I literally went to war—or they told me I went to war—to fight against,” he says. Since he was arrested, he’s continued protesting. Mother Jones senior reporter Julia Lurie spoke to Austin outside the Whipple Federal Building, where ICE is based. “When they say, ‘Why would you be out here?’ How the **** could I not be out here?” he says. “My nation is under attack."

 

[firegiver]

So which of these do our leftist friends not agree with?

Not following due process. Unleashing a federal military force on the streets of America to solve a problem that was solved better with boring due process.
Get some warrants. Do the police work and get some warrants and conduct yourselves with decency.
Shoving citizens to the ground and pistol whipping them, is not a good look. Its a bad look. Stop doing that. Stop telling ICE they have BLANKET IMMUNITY.