ICE murders another unarmed person
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if you're "pulling a ned", does that mean you're coming out from the dark side? Or is this just a temporary "seeing the light"
Neither, fortunately or not. Just acknowledging that at this moment in time I'm not going to dig into this one topic. I'm tired.
been there. You know, communication loses a lot when done via emails, social media boards etc. You get a chance to communicate, but can't experience the facial or body expressions and as a result, you're not really sure how the other interprets your words..because in our language and due to our individual upbringings different words have different meaning to people. It's like, I know what I meant when I said it, but I don't know how you interpreted it.
The underlying thing is that things pass..and then we move on to the next.
OK now I am changing subjects, I'm pretty sure you have been following the Epstein files, not as actively as @firegiver but...
did you see the story today that Gislane Maxwell has come out with a statement that 25 men had reached settlements with victims. It wasn't reported, but I'd assume that NDAs are part of the settlements and that, IMO, may be why none of them have come forward and why they are so demanding in the redacting of Epstein documents (just supposition on my part)
I actually haven't been following the Epstein files very much. Not because I don't think it's important to hold pedophiles accountable or anything (I obviously do). I just don't really have any optimism that it'll amount to anything. Also I'm just not sure what could be in there that would move someone from one political camp into another (and I'm more interested/concerned with national politics than I am individual criminals).
The Minnesota stuff seems to have broken through in a way that gives me some hope that people will change their voting patterns for until Trump is gone.
I'd love it people who vote against Trump but for the GOP generally would recognize that the GOP they keep voting for does virtually nothing to curb Trump's worser impulses (again though, the Minnesota stuff seems to be changing that) and would vote differently until that element is stamped out of the party.
I fully expect Trump and Noem to declare this driver a domestic terrorist and call for immediate execution.
"Now hold on a second...there are two sides to every coin and i'm not sure this young lady was actually hit by this car. I can't make it out clearly from the 4k video." @baltimorened probably
And are we sure it was a hit and run? It looked like he slowed down for a few seconds.
Got a link to that Minn law quote yet? We are still waiting for you to tell us where you got that source from!!! Otherwise, It's kind of ironic that you are calling out others for lying, wouldn't you say? Did you just make it up, or did you get it from some random person and posted it as if it were a fact?
I gave a link to the whole law in detail so go read it dont be lazy. I linked to the law but you need to read it. I provided the state statue's and the link to the MN site where the laws are listed. Thats after I c&p the law to begin with. If you are too lazy to go look thats on you...
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I have no problem with ICE arresting criminals and deporting them. But from their own site, a pretty large percentage of ICE arrests are folks with no other criminal record. Note that ICE also counts anyone with a charge against them as being a criminal. I freely admit that I'm not especially keen to deport folks that are here working, paying taxes, and raising families.
I do however have a MAJOR problem with them shooting US citizens who are only protesting. I also have a MAJOR problem with US government officials intentionally lying to the public about the people that were shot and killed. If these folks are interfering with ICE/Border Patrol operations, then arrest them, put them on trial, and lock them up. No problem with that.
Here's the source of my assertations of ICE arresting an increasing number of illegal immigrants w/o no other records.
As ICE Arrests Increased, a Higher Portion Had No U.S. Criminal Record - FactCheck.org
While the Trump administration insists that it is targeting the "worst of the worst" in its immigration enforcement, it has not provided information to substantiate that, and the data that is available suggests the claim has become less accurate over time.
www.factcheck.org
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Sec. 624.7181 MN Statutes
www.revisor.mn.gov
It does not say what you were told it says. Happy to have any MAGA dunk on me for this.
@fatpiggy @MTTiger19 @ANEW @baltimorened
Can someone not on my side just tell TRR he's been misled? Or help me find what he's talking about.
@TigerRagRob willing to self ban myself for a week if you can provide a link to the actual statute rather than just the state website. You have been lied to.
Without actually knowing the detailed law on the subject matter ... just ask yourself if that would make any sense. If local police can't arrest federal agents for violations of state laws, who can? Are you suggesting federal agents can act with impunity, and commit as many state law violations as they want?
Of course they can. But you saw the clip of that LAPD chief, right? Saying he's not going to jack up any feds for mask violations. That's a choice they're making. They aren't prohibited from doing so ... he just said it's a public policy decision (selective enforcement ... which happens daily, for better or worse, in all areas of the law).
Sorry, I'm not claiming to know either way. I suspect you're probably right but I'm acknowledging that I'm not going to be bothered to look into it. The overall point, though, was that some local law enforcement might feel like they can't or shouldn't try to arrest federal agents. That's all.
I can assure you, state and local cops can arrest federal agents for violations of state laws. No need to look it up.
The Supremacy Clause only shields feds from prosecution for acts that are done within the scope of what their federal duties (so if a state law prohibited something that is allowed and necessary for a federal agent to discharge his duties, lawfully under federal law, state police couldn't arrest them for these acts) ... but murder, for instance, is not within the scope of their federal duties (at least, under the Constitution, before Trump destroyed it and instituted the fascist dictatorial Trumpstitution).
Hey I don't have a dog in this fight. there are 37,000 page in this thread and i'm not going to dig through it to find the link and then plow through minnedishu state statutes. I couldn't find what TRR was referring to either, in all honesty. According to AI, showing up to a protest amed in and of itself isn't is a no-no per AI. Thatt rapidly changes however if you start resisting arrest or whatver and you go from "my right" to "felony" pretty quick.Sec. 624.7181 MN Statutes
It does not say what you were told it says. Happy to have any MAGA dunk on me for this.
@fatpiggy @MTTiger19 @ANEW @baltimorened
Can someone not on my side just tell TRR he's been misled? Or help me find what he's talking about.
@TigerRagRob willing to self ban myself for a week if you can provide a link to the actual statute rather than just the state website. You have been lied to.
Not even trying to be aggressive and gotcha. But it’s just a really simple thing. Not an opinion thing. Someone lied to him. He should know.
Not a lie when i did a C&P from a site with the laws listed. Which law are you contending with?Sec. 624.7181 MN Statutes
It does not say what you were told it says. Happy to have any MAGA dunk on me for this.
@fatpiggy @MTTiger19 @ANEW @baltimorened
Can someone not on my side just tell TRR he's been misled? Or help me find what he's talking about.
@TigerRagRob willing to self ban myself for a week if you can provide a link to the actual statute rather than just the state website. You have been lied to.