If P4 football programs don't break away

[greenbean.sixpack]

from the NCAA and hire a shrewd and iron fisted commissioner (like Saban), how much longer will CFB be a thing? If it keeps going unchecked and 10 teams or so continue to spend crazy amounts (pricing out the other 40ish -50 ish P4 teams), then fan interest is going to eventually evaporate. We're State fans, even if our team sucks, most are still going to watch college football, if it gets to a point that a handful teams dominate and we have no hope of even a 6-6 record, then fan interest will die. The same holds true for most of the rest of the P4. The portal and NIL/collectives are equally to blame and must be dealt with.

A year ago, I thought by now there'd be some type of framework in place to somewhat level the playing field and reign in the crazy, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to even be on the radar. The NCAA is not capable.

The scheduling of the CFB playoffs makes less than zero sense too. Next year's championship game is scheduled for Jan 25th, 2027. This season, Oregon went three weeks from their last regular season game until their first playoff game. The schedule needs to be arranged as such so the National Championship is played on New Year's Day or the week after at the latest. A lot of momentum/casual fan intent is lost with the current playoff schedule.

 

[Lettuce]

As I said 5 years ago. The richest schools will eventually parallel the top 25.

it’s almost like that now but as we continue down this road it will become inevitable.

it will continue to become harder and harder for MSU to keep up.

Eventually, we will have to cut losses….unless something changes.
I predict, without change, the separation will start around 2030…..where 30 teams will compete in almost an NFL type schedule and playoff.

The rest of us will join and rebuild the old NCAA. It’s not a matter of if….just when.

 

[AttalaDawg72]

Indiana just won the national championship. I don’t think this is going how you guys think it’s going to go. It still needs to be restructured, but the parity has been awesome.

 

[Lettuce]

Indiana just won the national championship. I don’t think this is going how you guys think it’s going to go. It still needs to be restructured, but the parity has been awesome.

I’ll give you Indiana ….and Mark Cuban…..then take a look at the other teams in the playoff. Like I said, before long, there will be no outliers.

 

[Dawg Raid]

The sky is falling… no it’s not on CFB. Still making billions and viewership is at its all time high

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Indiana just won the national championship. I don’t think this is going how you guys think it’s going to go. It still needs to be restructured, but the parity has been awesome.

I agree for this year and maybe the next few. Eventually it will come to a head.

This has nothing to do with traditional Blue Bloods. Indiana and Texas Tech may be the new Blue Bloods.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

The sky is falling… no it’s not on CFB. Still making billions and viewership is at its all time high

I realize that, I mean down the road 10 years or so.

 

[Lettuce]

The sky is falling… no it’s not on CFB. Still making billions and viewership is at its all time high

Ok. I guess we will reconvene this conversation in 2030 after MSU combines for 3 SEC wins in 4 years.

 

[Dawg Raid]

Ok. I guess we will reconvene this conversation in 2030 after MSU combines for 3 SEC wins in 4 years.

Guess what everyone will still be watching

 

[BreckyBratt]

At what point does MSU hire a GM whose job is to understand the big three's coaching habits or a GM for each sport and let them be the ones who recruit HS and make portal decisions? Lebby may have gotten this portal right but wait and see. Jans shat the bed in the portal but can coach the right crew. Just feels like we need coaches handed players they can't seem to find or sign.

 

[Lettuce]

Guess what everyone will still be watching

Not sure your point but ok. Can’t argue with that

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

Not sure your point but ok. Can’t argue with that

I think his point is if everybody is still watching then everybody is still making money and why fix it if it ain't broke.

 

[Lettuce]

I think his point is if everybody is still watching then everybody is still making money and why fix it if it ain't broke.

It is broke. …hence why it’s such a hot topic at the moment.

 

[paindonthurt]

from the NCAA and hire a shrewd and iron fisted commissioner (like Saban), how much longer will CFB be a thing? If it keeps going unchecked and 10 teams or so continue to spend crazy amounts (pricing out the other 40ish -50 ish P4 teams), then fan interest is going to eventually evaporate. We're State fans, even if our team sucks, most are still going to watch college football, if it gets to a point that a handful teams dominate and we have no hope of even a 6-6 record, then fan interest will die. The same holds true for most of the rest of the P4. The portal and NIL/collectives are equally to blame and must be dealt with.

A year ago, I thought by now there'd be some type of framework in place to somewhat level the playing field and reign in the crazy, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to even be on the radar. The NCAA is not capable.

The scheduling of the CFB playoffs makes less than zero sense too. Next year's championship game is scheduled for Jan 25th, 2027. This season, Oregon went three weeks from their last regular season game until their first playoff game. The schedule needs to be arranged as such so the National Championship is played on New Year's Day or the week after at the latest. A lot of momentum/casual fan intent is lost with the current playoff schedule.

What is the ncaa gonna do? Courts have ruled. Not much they can do until CBA happens.

 

[MaroonSadness99]

from the NCAA and hire a shrewd and iron fisted commissioner (like Saban), how much longer will CFB be a thing? If it keeps going unchecked and 10 teams or so continue to spend crazy amounts (pricing out the other 40ish -50 ish P4 teams), then fan interest is going to eventually evaporate. We're State fans, even if our team sucks, most are still going to watch college football, if it gets to a point that a handful teams dominate and we have no hope of even a 6-6 record, then fan interest will die. The same holds true for most of the rest of the P4. The portal and NIL/collectives are equally to blame and must be dealt with.

A year ago, I thought by now there'd be some type of framework in place to somewhat level the playing field and reign in the crazy, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to even be on the radar. The NCAA is not capable.

The scheduling of the CFB playoffs makes less than zero sense too. Next year's championship game is scheduled for Jan 25th, 2027. This season, Oregon went three weeks from their last regular season game until their first playoff game. The schedule needs to be arranged as such so the National Championship is played on New Year's Day or the week after at the latest. A lot of momentum/casual fan intent is lost with the current playoff schedule.

I agree that the p4 should break away. I agree that they should end the season earlier. But there is more parity in college football than there has ever been. Indiana just won the title. Ole Miss was in the final four. Texas Tech is near the top. You’re not seeing the situation very clearly since our team sucks.

 

[85Bears]

Currently the msu problem is more mismanagement and poor coaching than money. If nothing else, CignettI proved coaching can beat money. And coaching includes, hiring a staff, building culture, evaluating talent.

give a good coach 30 million and he could win ten games.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Did y'all read what you wrote on the first 2 comments? How is anything you said any different than the past 60 years? When has MSU ever caught up in that time frame? We had exactly 1 number 1 ranking for 1 week in that entire time frame? MSU has never been a factor in NCAA football and people have hung around all this time.

I have been posting for years how there needs to be some artificial process to help assure parity.

Plus Indiana just shot down your theory. This horrible system has provided more parity than anything else in the past 60 years. However, I don't think it's sustainable. There needs to be budget limits for each school.

 

[Lettuce]

Y’all arnt paying attention. OM has spent record money on the portal over the last 3 years. Tech is spending top 5-10 money in the portal. Indiana is linked to Cuban spending big money.

Then look at the other teams. Do I need to name them?

 

[paindonthurt]

I’ll give you Indiana ….and Mark Cuban…..then take a look at the other teams in the playoff. Like I said, before long, there will be no outliers.

Is ole miss a top 25 richest school?

 

[Lettuce]

My point: the big money teams will eventually completely pull away where the gap will be so great, we will have the same teams in the playoff every season.

Yes, it’s not much different than years past but this will only make the rich richer. The system is not sustainable.

 

[Lettuce]

Is ole miss a top 25 richest school?

They are currently spending like it…hence the results. Eventually even OM won’t be able to keep up.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

It is broke. …hence why it’s such a hot topic at the moment.

According to who ?? A handful of fans of a losing football program ? What do you think the point of college football is ? Its about selling airtime for commercials. Which makes most of the money. The people that matter get the money. Hence it ain't broke for the people that matter. As long as viewer numbers continue to increase it's not broken

 

[Lettuce]

According to who ?? A handful of fans of a losing football program ? What do you think the point of college football is ? Its about selling airtime for commercials. Which makes most of the money. The people that matter get the money. Hence it ain't broke for the people that matter. As long as viewer numbers continue to increase it's not broken

We will just have to disagree

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

We will just have to disagree

I dont like it either. But it's a big business now. Maybe people will quit watching.

 

[Lettuce]

I dont like it either. But it's a big business now. Maybe people will quit watching.

You sound like the British.

Don’t tread on me.

 

[wdawg44]

Guess what everyone will still be watching

Nfl? Porn?

 

[olblue]

The sky is falling… no it’s not on CFB. Still making billions and viewership is at its all time high

I don’t think there has ever been more interest in the game.

 

[Lettuce]

Interest equals ratings. Ratings equal markets. Markets equals money.

Wait for 5 more helpless seasons by mid power 4’s. We will all see

 

[L4Dawg]

The sky is falling… no it’s not on CFB. Still making billions and viewership is at its all time high

How much Triple A minor league baseball do you watch on TV?

 

[L4Dawg]

Is ole miss a top 25 richest school?

They have a billionaire backing them.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

from the NCAA and hire a shrewd and iron fisted commissioner (like Saban), how much longer will CFB be a thing? If it keeps going unchecked and 10 teams or so continue to spend crazy amounts (pricing out the other 40ish -50 ish P4 teams), then fan interest is going to eventually evaporate.

What is the ncaa gonna do? Courts have ruled. Not much they can do until CBA happens.

Pain is correct. P4 breakaway will not help at all. All you would be doing is getting another 'NCAA', which is powerless. The G6 aren't the ones complaining, so why would breaking away from them matter?

There really is no solution, it is what it is. Well there is, but it's not attainable. All the SCHOOLS would have to come together and agree to a set of rules, which will never happen, because their individual will to win outweighs having a stable system. And it's the P4 who won't agree, not the G6. G6 just happy to be included, haven't heard a peep from them. Give them a spot in the playoff and they are fine. Shlt if the schools would come together, they could roll back NIL and portal, because they could enforce there own rules and the courts wouldn't matter at that point. Oh, you sue us? Well we don't want you on our team anymore, and neither does anyone else". The only reason these lawsuits have an effect is because each school is so desperate to win.

Collective bargaining may help, I don't know enough about it. But I don't bet on that, Tom Mars wants it because it helps him and makes him look like the good guy so he can keep suing and making money. But I suppose anything that introduces literally ANY control could help. But I'm really against the employee route, because that ends with unlimited eligibility, etc.

 

[DawgNsuds]

Did y'all read what you wrote on the first 2 comments? How is anything you said any different than the past 60 years? When has MSU ever caught up in that time frame? We had exactly 1 number 1 ranking for 1 week in that entire time frame? MSU has never been a factor in NCAA football and people have hung around all this time.

I have been posting for years how there needs to be some artificial process to help assure parity.

Plus Indiana just shot down your theory. This horrible system has provided more parity than anything else in the past 60 years. However, I don't think it's sustainable. There needs to be budget limits for each school.

agree here, the thing I will say is the current system is causing a fundamental shift

Legacy fan base is being alienated, higher cost of attending is affecting their engagement. Ticket prices, Booster club donations and over all cost is having them re-evaluate their spend. Many on these message boards have already admitted to opting out for the TV option which impacts attendance.
Annual "free agency" will erode the connection to the players, we love our university, but I believe that a familiarity with players, especially amongst the kids who are the next generation of supporters is important.

All of these things will lead to a need to commercialize the program in order to feed the every growing beast of maximized revenues.

our current state of losing compounds all of this.

My generation, who have been multidecade ticket holders are beginning to question if this is where we want our discretionary funds to go

My thoughts are, even though currently the viewership has expanded, I feel that is temporary and as Bruce states, if there isn't some guardrails put in place, the game will suffer. Time will tell

just my opinion, apologies for the run on sentences and ramblings, but I've only had one cup of coffee

 

[patdog]

Why would P4 break away? Those 4 conference commissioners, and especially the P2 commissioners, already control everything.

 

[85Bears]

Why would P4 break away? Those 4 conference commissioners, and especially the P2 commissioners, already control everything.

It’s all about espn broadcast rights And to a lesser extent fox. Conference commissioners are little puppets.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

We had exactly 1 number 1 ranking for 1 week in that entire time frame?

It was four weeks. Four glorious weeks.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Legacy fan base is being alienated, higher cost of attending is affecting their engagement. Ticket prices, Booster club donations and over all cost is having them re-evaluate their spend. Many on these message boards have already admitted to opting out for the TV option which impacts attendance.
Annual "free agency" will erode the connection to the players, we love our university, but I believe that a familiarity with players, especially amongst the kids who are the next generation of supporters is important.

We say that, but a lot of these Bama/Auburn/Georgia types have just carried on like nothing has changed. It's like they are connected, but not really connected. What the big fanbases have that we don't have is just huge amounts of both types of fans......the ones that buy season tickets (like you're describing of yourself), and then the sidewalk ones that probably didn't even attend school but still are diehard, and show up to games a few times a year maybe.

All of these things will lead to a need to commercialize the program in order to feed the every growing beast of maximized revenues.

No doubt this is true.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

It’s all about espn broadcast rights And to a lesser extent fox. Conference commissioners are little puppets.

I agree that this is the only thing that would cause a true breakaway, but this is not what @greenbean.sixpack was talking about. There's no moral thing driving this.

That said, I do think we may have crossed the line toward keeping the FBS intact. It's not like G6 teams are jumping ****, they are still trying to get into the FBS, not the other way around. And the playoff is expanding, and conferences are nothing more than scheduling alliances, too big to view them all equally. So I'm hoping this thing stabilizes as far as the conferences go.

I do think it should only be allowed to play other FBS teams. Get rid of the FCS stuff.

 

[Podgy]

Currently the msu problem is more mismanagement and poor coaching than money. If nothing else, CignettI proved coaching can beat money. And coaching includes, hiring a staff, building culture, evaluating talent.

give a good coach 30 million and he could win ten games.

There aren't a bunch of Cignetti's to choose from

 

[Podgy]

It's broken. Look at how much money Ole Miss and others are spending on something that's broken. People love to spend money on broken things including ESPN and other networks.

 

[85Bears]

There aren't a bunch of Cignetti's to choose from

there are several dozen choices better than Arnett and Lebby.