If P4 football programs don't break away

85Bears

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Oh we get it. We just don't agree that Leach left a dumpster fire.

27-26-27 - those are the rankings of 2021-2023 classes. The 2021 and 2022 transfer portal classes were pretty dead on too. Arnett comes in for the 2023 portal and runs a bunch off and signs some bums to run his new RuNdAbAwL offense. Oh look, Lenny comes around in 2024 and runs off even more, including 9 young linemen (both sides). And of course his incoming hit rate is terrible. And he did it again in 2025 after he had his 'system' in place. Pretty Croomtastic if you ask me.

Please tell me how the 17 this indicts Leach on anything except being a great coach. Do you really not think he would have hit YET AGAIN in the portal in 2023 and 2024 had he lived? Of course he would, and we'd have lived at 7-5 and 8-4, maybe even better if our alumni had stepped up for him.

Oh and by the way, we're doing the same stupid shlt with this current portal class. But hey we may pay Seaton 8M and he may drive us to 5 wins again.
Time is proving how dumb the elite dawgs/brad peterson crowd is. Next year will be 2-10/3-9 and then another rebuild. This program won’t see 9-4 top 20 for at least a decade or until new leadership takes over.

folks who are still bashing Leach in 2026 richly deserve 2-22 in the sec
 

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Time is proving how dumb the elite dawgs/brad peterson crowd is. Next year will be 2-10/3-9 and then another rebuild. This program won’t see 9-4 top 20 for at least a decade or until new leadership takes over.

folks who are still bashing Leach in 2026 richly deserve 2-22 in the sec
They are certain getting the program they wanted.

But they don't even realize that Lenny needs to throw to be successful. They are RuNdAbAwLiN everybody. That's why I don't hate Lenny himself, he's got some good offensive concepts. He just wasn't ready to build a program himself and he wasn't really a fit at MSU. And now, due to the influence he's turned his team into something that doesn't do what he likes to do.

As for the Arnett situation, he was young too, and let the idiots get to him. We REALLY needed strong leadership at the point he was hired that could guide him, and unfortunately Cohen had left. Cohen, for all his faults, would have made damn sure the RuNdAbAwL crowd wasn't running things. I say that but they essentially are the ones that made things so miserable that he left.

The hiring of Arnett himself wasn't a bad move.....that's generally the best thing to do when things are going well.......because you want to keep things the same to the extent practical. But not at MSU, we got so many experts that know exactly how to run things.....into the ground.
 

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They are certain getting the program they wanted.

But they don't even realize that Lenny needs to throw to be successful. They are RuNdAbAwLiN everybody. That's why I don't hate Lenny himself, he's got some good offensive concepts. He just wasn't ready to build a program himself and he wasn't really a fit at MSU. And now, due to the influence he's turned his team into something that doesn't do what he likes to do.

As for the Arnett situation, he was young too, and let the idiots get to him. We REALLY needed strong leadership at the point he was hired that could guide him, and unfortunately Cohen had left. Cohen, for all his faults, would have made damn sure the RuNdAbAwL crowd wasn't running things. I say that but they essentially are the ones that made things so miserable that he left.

The hiring of Arnett himself wasn't a bad move.....that's generally the best thing to do when things are going well.......because you want to keep things the same to the extent practical. But not at MSU, we got so many experts that know exactly how to run things.....into the ground.
In the era of nil the boosters have more control than ever especially without a really strong AD. So I don’t expect anything to change. We have found the enemy and he is us. The damage is self inflicted.
 

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How long before players file a lawsuit to get out of classes? After that, will some teams merge like what is going on with our CC? Will Alabama absorb UAB like Saban wanted?
 

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The sky is falling… no it’s not on CFB. Still making billions and viewership is at its all time high
People love saying things like “viewership is at an all-time high” without really diving into why that might be the case.

I would contend that viewership is at an all time high because the overwhelming majority of the population in our country is in the B1G footprint, and they are now leading the pack after spending the better part of 2 decades as a doormat conference.

Said before and I will say again….getting on board with the portal and NIL was the biggest mistake that the SEC ever made.
 
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People love saying things like “viewership is at an all-time high” without really diving into why that might be the case.

I would contend that viewership is at an all time high because the overwhelming majority of the population in our country is in the B1G footprint, and they are now leading the pack after spending the better part of 2 decades as a doormat conference.

Said before and I will say again….getting on board with the portal and NIL was the biggest mistake that the SEC ever made.
Still a good thing. More people interest and watching
 

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I agree for this year and maybe the next few. Eventually it will come to a head.

This has nothing to do with traditional Blue Bloods. Indiana and Texas Tech may be the new Blue Bloods.
I think the more correct description would be "Green Bloods"; it's all about the Benjamins!! Show me the green!!
 

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I think the more correct description would be "Green Bloods"; it's all about the Benjamins!! Show me the green!!
Indiana is above average resources and outstanding coaching, Texas Tech is outstanding resources and below avg coaching. high School Joey McGuire is not the guy.
 
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I don't think Dicky even comes close to approaching the wealth of the oil and tech billionaires funding some of programs.
Arkansas has more wealthy boosters than ole Miss but Arkansas hired a schit coach, will be interesting to see if their boosters open their wallet. They froze out Pittman.
 

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Arkansas has more wealthy boosters than ole Miss but Arkansas hired a schit coach, will be interesting to see if their boosters open their wallet. They froze out Pittman.
From what I've read, the Waltons don't give a lot to sports. They also have Jerry Jones, but don't know how involved he is.
 
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Arkansas has more wealthy boosters than ole Miss but Arkansas hired a schit coach, will be interesting to see if their boosters open their wallet. They froze out Pittman.
I think part of Arkansas problem is their really big money alumni don’t really care about funding Arkansas football.
 
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I think part of Arkansas problem is their really big money alumni don’t really care about funding Arkansas football.
That may suck even worse than our situation. At least we know we don’t have a bunch of billionaire alumni. It would be even worse to know you had the richest family in the US and they have little interest in supporting football.
 

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That may suck even worse than our situation. At least we know we don’t have a bunch of billionaire alumni. It would be even worse to know you had the richest family in the US and they have little interest in supporting football.
The way I’ve heard it is all their big boosters got in a fight over the Chad Morris hire which Jerry jones pushed and was a disaster and after that they all got mad and said screw it. Tyson chicken dude paid for Calipari,and basketball out of his,own pocket. Silverfield was a garbage hire so I have no idea what they are doing now.
 

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I agree that the p4 should break away. I agree that they should end the season earlier. But there is more parity in college football than there has ever been. Indiana just won the title. Ole Miss was in the final four. Texas Tech is near the top. You’re not seeing the situation very clearly since our team sucks.
That's not parity. Previously college football was dominated by blue blood programs. We are now transitioning to college football dominated by programs who spend the most. That's not parity, it's just a new paradigm for deciding the 10 teams that have a chance to win a championship. We're in the transition period between two eras.

What sucks is that we don't have much chance under either system. But I'd rather the one where we have a chance to land a couple homegrown players, develop some 3 stars, catch Bama on a mediocre year, and win the SEC. That is in no way possible now. Heck, winning the SEC doesn't even mean anything now.

Imagine if there was no salary cap in the NFL. Jerry Jones would buy a championship every 3-4 years. That's where college football is now. NFL has actual parity were you have to put together players, coaches, schedule, and luck to win it all. ANY team that does it could win the Super Bowl.
 

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That's not parity. Previously college football was dominated by blue blood programs. We are now transitioning to college football dominated by programs who spend the most. That's not parity, it's just a new paradigm for deciding the 10 teams that have a chance to win a championship. We're in the transition period between two eras.

What sucks is that we don't have much chance under either system. But I'd rather the one where we have a chance to land a couple homegrown players, develop some 3 stars, catch Bama on a mediocre year, and win the SEC. That is in no way possible now. Heck, winning the SEC doesn't even mean anything now.

Imagine if there was no salary cap in the NFL. Jerry Jones would buy a championship every 3-4 years. That's where college football is now. NFL has actual parity were you have to put together players, coaches, schedule, and luck to win it all. ANY team that does it could win the Super Bowl.
There’s a lot of room between winning the national championship and absolutely sucking. How about winning more than you lose, is that possible .?
 

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That's not parity. Previously college football was dominated by blue blood programs. We are now transitioning to college football dominated by programs who spend the most. That's not parity, it's just a new paradigm for deciding the 10 teams that have a chance to win a championship. We're in the transition period between two eras.

What sucks is that we don't have much chance under either system. But I'd rather the one where we have a chance to land a couple homegrown players, develop some 3 stars, catch Bama on a mediocre year, and win the SEC. That is in no way possible now. Heck, winning the SEC doesn't even mean anything now.

Imagine if there was no salary cap in the NFL. Jerry Jones would buy a championship every 3-4 years. That's where college football is now. NFL has actual parity were you have to put together players, coaches, schedule, and luck to win it all. ANY team that does it could win the Super Bowl.
That's one reason why college won't go to that model, because it would compete with the NFL and lose.

College has always been about getting the most talent you can, from anywhere you can. Only thing that has changed is what you can spend money on and the transfer stuff, which was shifting anyway. If they had just started allowing NIL in 1985 instead of hammering SMU, all this would be immaterial at this point.

Two things we should not want in college ball - players as employees/CB/all that shlt and unlimited eligibility. That kills off the remaining 'college' part of it. MSU fans just want it because they think it'll help us win. Bad, bad idea to make selfish decisions like that.

We are losing because Leach died without an AD in place, and we've made 3-4 stupid decisions stacked on top of each other since.
 

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That's one reason why college won't go to that model, because it would compete with the NFL and lose.

College has always been about getting the most talent you can, from anywhere you can. Only thing that has changed is what you can spend money on and the transfer stuff, which was shifting anyway. If they had just started allowing NIL in 1985 instead of hammering SMU, all this would be immaterial at this point.

Two things we should not want in college ball - players as employees/CB/all that shlt and unlimited eligibility. That kills off the remaining 'college' part of it. MSU fans just want it because they think it'll help us win. Bad, bad idea to make selfish decisions like that.

We are losing because Leach died without an AD in place, and we've made 3-4 stupid decisions stacked on top of each other since.
Dabo's "sit out a year" after a transfer is a pretty good solution, I think. Not really a new idea, since that how it was for many years, but it would solve a lot of the current issues.

First, it doesn't interfere with NIL. NIL is a settled right, and rightly so. So any improvements must account for a person's ability to earn market value.

Second, it would naturally reduce the chaos (number of transfers, value of contracts, etc) by market forces, not regulation. Yes, schools could decide to pay a player to sit on the bench for a year, but everyone involved knows that your value is going down in that year, both in marketability and skill level.
 

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Dabo's "sit out a year" after a transfer is a pretty good solution, I think. Not really a new idea, since that how it was for many years, but it would solve a lot of the current issues.

First, it doesn't interfere with NIL. NIL is a settled right, and rightly so. So any improvements must account for a person's ability to earn market value.

Second, it would naturally reduce the chaos (number of transfers, value of contracts, etc) by market forces, not regulation. Yes, schools could decide to pay a player to sit on the bench for a year, but everyone involved knows that your value is going down in that year, both in marketability and skill level.
NCAA already lost a lawsuit against that.