If Riley survives we need to can the strength and conditioning folk...
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Just because you out recruit them ranking wise, doesn't mean you out recruited them in the front 7. Their front 7 was more talented than ours. Sure, some of that might be S&C and player development. But the fact of the matter is that we don't have much talent in our defensive front 7 among upper class men. I think we have some good young guys but they aren't there yet.
Wisky's offensive line had two juniors, two sophomores and a freshman starting, and at least two other freshman played. They have zero senior linemen. We can't sit there and use the youth excuse against them.
Our defensive front seven started a Sr., 4 Jrs., a Soph., and a Fr.
Frankly, they were younger than we were.
Our defensive front seven started a Sr., 4 Jrs., a Soph., and a Fr.
Frankly, they were younger than we were.
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What is wrong with you? Do you sit through Tom's sermons dreaming up things to troll this board with?
I"m serious. What sane person comes on a message board and goes down the list of guys he wants fired week after week? What is wrong with you? I bet you ***** about you husband to all your friends too.
The simple math doesn’t add up here gender amorphous Tom. How can we have guys like Farmer and the Davis boys pushing strength and conditioning records and have a poor program? What I would point out is look at the fellow offensive line room. Farmer came in to the program super strong and didn’t drop off; his fellow line mates don’t look the part, especially upperclassmen like Gates that look no different than when they were in their first year. The coaches and fellow leaders on the team should set the level of accountability and the standard to reach. Everyone internally seems content with where things are at on o line...
The math part now: if you have strength like Farmer and Davis boys that’s only a part of the equation. What is being done Monday through Friday to develop these guys into tough, physical units that can compete with the elites in our division is missing and that’s coaching mostly in my opinion but it does go hand in hand with S & C. At this point you have to go with what you’ve got. Hard to change the blueprint at this point in the season. Riley could change practice habits but I’m not holding my breath
Well then they have much much better recruiting analysis than all the other colleges then
- Dooley - 3 other offers, Illinois,Indiana and vanderbilt
- Jacobs - no other P5 offers
- James - Multiple offers and from top colleges
- Edwards - no other P5 offers
- Sheehy - one other P5 offer - Michigan
- Orr - No other P5 offers
- Sagapolu - multiple P5 offers but mostly from lower schools oregon State offered, WSU offered
Every college athlete, not just in football, today knows that strength and conditioning is crucial. We completely imploded in that 4th quarter and our front 7 could not match a younger group of players on Wisky's offensive line...plus a freshman running back. It's not acceptable.I"m serious. What sane person comes on a message board and goes down the list of guys he wants fired week after week? What is wrong with you? I bet you ***** about you husband to all your friends too.
Adam Carriker just said on the radio that we outplayed Wisconsin for 2-1/2 quarters. The back breaker was that long Taylor TD run after we had tied it up. When Wisconsin gets the lead in the second half they are tough to stop. We had the ball less than 2 minutes in the 4th quarter and it was in large part because our front 7 got abused. Conditioning? Maybe. He singled out one of our DEs but didn't name him and made the point that he wasn't getting it done (I know who it was and am not going to call him out) They repeatedly attacked him. His inability to do his job put pressure on our backers and they appeared to be guessing at which gap to cover and we got ripped when they guessed wrong.
Wisky's offensive line starters (three from the state of Wisconsin):
3* 5.6 David Edwards
3* 5.5 Beau Benschawel
3* 5.5 Michael Dieter
3* 5.6 Jon Dietzen
3* 5.6 Tyler Biadasz
A bunch of three star guys who are younger than we are took us to the woodshed.
3* 5.6 David Edwards
3* 5.5 Beau Benschawel
3* 5.5 Michael Dieter
3* 5.6 Jon Dietzen
3* 5.6 Tyler Biadasz
A bunch of three star guys who are younger than we are took us to the woodshed.
So what's your point. Everybody knows they have a good O line. Wisconsin's media said pre-season that the expectation was that their O line was going to be better this year. They have a system that they have been recruiting to for decades and it shows.
They're also a lot heavier. Hard to hold up that long against those 315+ pounders for that long.
Carriker thought we should be better against Wisconsin in the 3-4 but when you have a DE not holding up his end of the bargain and maybe a little smallish for the 3-4 it's tough. You've got 5 300-335 lb guys working 3 D-linemen and on many plays getting a running start at our backers. When they have the lead they can do that and they wore us down. It's just physics. F=MA. (or something like that)
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Not to mention their o-line has tons more experience than she lied about. She is nothing more than a lying troll preacher.
Point is that people with inferior talent shouldn't be pushing us around.
Also, six out of seven of our offensive linemen that played Saturday were rated higher than every single Wisky offensive linemen. (The only exception was Decker, a 5.6 3* tied their highest rated guy.) Why can't our four star and high three star offensive linemen perform like Wisky?
The answer is strength, conditioning, and coaching.
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Why are we comparing our offensive line to their offensive line? Shouldn’t we compare their offensive line talent to our defensive line talent?
I felt like our OLine held up pretty well throughout the night...
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Because if we are going to get Wisky like results on offense, our strength and conditioning program must improve there too.
As did Carriker and he knows a helluva lot more than some confused wife/cross dressing husband or whatever the heck he/she is....
I would certainly say it isn't all S&C. Wisc 93 yard drive to go up 24-17 was a long methodical *** whopping. And our defense was very well rested at that point since it was just after half and they had only one short series after halftime.
I think we had a few players that effort and desire lacked and it started the ball rolling. It is amazing what confidence and momentum can do for those with it and those without.
Anyone have a chat with Epley lately? It would be great to get updated every year on strength and conditioning testing. Maybe he is silent because there has been no progress? Last I remember anything was when Riley was hired.
We're always saying on here our recruits are better than Wisconsins, yet when I watch on Sundays I see a lot of Wiscy guys in very prominent and not so prominent roles all over the place. Heck Gordon, Watt, Wilson, I can't remember em all but they have a lot of players on rosters. Is that all their superior development? I'd guess at the NFL level it's talent. Maybe they are better at judging it.
This doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot but I always noticed our QB's used to have these forearms and biceps that were just ripped to the max. I then look at Tanner Lee and POB and go huh?
I don't care for that S&C head guy either. He looks like he got fat and I saw him bouncing around the sideline a few weeks ago like some unprofessional goofball.
What all that has to do with anything, I don't know, but just some stuff I noticed.
I don't care for that S&C head guy either. He looks like he got fat and I saw him bouncing around the sideline a few weeks ago like some unprofessional goofball.
What all that has to do with anything, I don't know, but just some stuff I noticed.
It's also being mentally tough. A culture you build through practicing during the week. The truth is, according to all recruiting services, Nebraska does recruit better than Wisconsin & Iowa. Recruiting services can't rate intangibles that apparently Wisky is good at identifying in their recruits. Because watching the games on the field, Wisky & Iowa play tougher. It's multiple aspects, S&C and coaches recruiting kids that are talented, but have the animal mentality. Kids that are self motivated and are willing to work hard. Wisconsin's staff gets the most out of what they got to work with, that's for sure.
That’s not my point... you are saying our OLine is more talented, but how do you compare them against each other? Their OLine gave up more sacks than ours, in spite of the holding... They opened bigger holes than our OLine, but ours didn’t do bad there either, throughout the game.
The problem wasn’t strength and conditioning for our OLine... the problem was finishing. We don’t finish drives. Is that an S and C issue? It doesn’t seem like it...
Wisky's offensive line went almost 320 across the board. One guy was close to 340.
Just because we have a better recruiting ranking doesn't mean we out recruited them at all. This idea that higher ranking equals more talent is asinine.
We had over 300 yards of offense in the first half, they did not record a single sack, Ozigbo ran for almost 100 in the first half. All of this against what is considered a great defense. Don't forget that we barely had the ball the 2nd half. People keep acting like we did not manage 50 yards the entire game.
You practice how you play right? Wisky and Iowa have bloodbath practices. What are we doing?
I could be wrong but I don't think Wisconsin's offense would have been as successful as our offense if they were playing against the Wisconsin defense.
What excuses? Our OLine has nothing to do with their OLine...
It’s called logic, not excuses.
Well then I guess Pelini did recruit well - Its not a matter of recruiting ranking its which colleges are offering players you sign. If we are competing with multiple P5 colleges for our recruits and Wisconsin is competing against North Dakota State and yet they now appear to be better players guess where the difference lies - Coaching
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....all talk, opinions and guesses. This guy here nailed it on the money. There’s a reason Badgers plug in new OLine and RBs every year and never miss a beat. It’s because they have been running same system for years, recruiting same type players for years and have a stock pile of players literally cut out of there blue prints just waiting for there turns. It’s as simple as that, not S&C, not star power and talent or any of that. It’s simply they been recruiting this exact type of OLine and RBs for years and they are coaching them up to perfection on how to run there style of offense they run. Want to admit to it or not, that’s all it is.
Here it goes again - we get abused by team give up 250 yards rushing to a freshman RB and now its " We are close its just one player"Carriker thought we should be better against Wisconsin in the 3-4 but when you have a DE not holding up his end of the bargain and maybe a little smallish for the 3-4 it's tough. You've got 5 300-335 lb guys working 3 D-linemen and on many plays getting a running start at our backers. When they have the lead they can do that and they wore us down. It's just physics. F=MA. (or something like that)
How many times are you going to keep defending this staff when the product on the field is crap