If Riley survives we need to can the strength and conditioning folk...

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Boyd Epley said we are about 2 years behind in certain things when it comes to SandC, or something of that nature. that is put squarely on those coaches heads, Boyd needs to step in and take them to where they are supposed to be and then you will see a change in how they block, tackle and so forth.
 

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Wisky's offensive line had two juniors, two sophomores and a freshman starting, and at least two other freshman played. They have zero senior linemen. We can't sit there and use the youth excuse against them.

Our defensive front seven started a Sr., 4 Jrs., a Soph., and a Fr.

Frankly, they were younger than we were.
Their OL averaged around 323. Big ol Wisky boys. Can't tell mobile mountains. I think it shows that the Huskers under Riley just have not been able to attract the big physical OL. Part of Cav problem
 
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Their OL averaged around 323. Big ol Wisky boys. Can't tell mobile mountains. I think it shows that the Huskers under Riley just have not been able to attract the big physical OL. Part of Cav problem
Thank you for helping to prove my point about strength and conditioning. It looks like Wisky DEVELOPED those guys through their strength and conditioning program. Here's is the weight of those guys as recruits and then their playing weight this season.

6'6"...225 lbs.....315 lbs.....3* 5.6 David Edwards
6'6"...252 lbs.....317 lbs.....3* 5.5 Beau Benschawel
6'5"...295 lbs.....328 lbs.....3* 5.5 Michael Dieter
6'5"...334 lbs.....336 lbs.....3* 5.6 Jon Dietzen
6'4"...270 lbs.....316 lbs.....3* 5.6 Tyler Biadasz

So Wisky's strength and conditioning program put the following weight on their linemen: 90, 65, 33, 2, 46. And remember that none of those guys are seniors and over half of these guys are underclassmen so those transformations happened relatively quickly.
 
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Well then I guess Pelini did recruit well - Its not a matter of recruiting ranking its which colleges are offering players you sign. If we are competing with multiple P5 colleges for our recruits and Wisconsin is competing against North Dakota State and yet they now appear to be better players guess where the difference lies - Coaching
Bingo.
Callahan.
Pelini.
Riley.
Three staffs in a row that can't develop worth a crap.
 
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Thank you for helping to prove my point about strength and conditioning. It looks like Wisky DEVELOPED those guys through their strength and conditioning program. Here's is the weight of those guys as recruits and then their playing weight this season.

6'6"...225 lbs.....315 lbs.....3* 5.6 David Edwards
6'6"...252 lbs.....317 lbs.....3* 5.5 Beau Benschawel
6'5"...295 lbs.....328 lbs.....3* 5.5 Michael Dieter
6'5"...334 lbs.....336 lbs.....3* 5.6 Jon Dietzen
6'4"...270 lbs.....316 lbs.....3* 5.6 Tyler Biadasz

So Wisky's strength and conditioning program put the following weight on their linemen: 90, 65, 33, 2, 46. And remember that none of those guys are seniors and over half of these guys are underclassmen so those transformations happened relatively quickly.

I wonder how that happened so quickly? ;)
 

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I wonder how that happened so quickly? ;)
They were huge when they walked on campus. Wisconsin does a good job with how they use guys who maybe aren't as mobile as others. It's the way they've done it for decades. Their O line's reported weights a couple of years ago averaged more than 30 lbs more than Green Bay's. The thing to remember is that Alvarez instituted as system decades ago and no matter who the coach has been they've run it. It's never changed. That's a HUGE advantage. Any time you change systems there's some learning curve and there's some lag in recruiting guys for certain positions. Who knows if they're building better athletes through better chemistry or not. There was a story a couple of years ago about Bama and all the positive roid tests some of their players had.
 

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They were huge when they walked on campus. Wisconsin does a good job with how they use guys who maybe aren't as mobile as others. It's the way they've done it for decades. Their O line's reported weights a couple of years ago averaged more than 30 lbs more than Green Bay's. The thing to remember is that Alvarez instituted as system decades ago and no matter who the coach has been they've run it. It's never changed. That's a HUGE advantage. Any time you change systems there's some learning curve and there's some lag in recruiting guys for certain positions. Who knows if they're building better athletes through better chemistry or not. There was a story a couple of years ago about Bama and all the positive roid tests some of their players had.

According to Tom, they weren't all that massive when they signed.
 

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Ever since the cursed finesse "pinkshirts" and OL Coach Barney, we have been lost.
I thought the S/C, Mark Philipp, brought in by Riles was sold to us as heaven sent.

Best for me to live in the past.
I remember articles from the early, poor days when Bob Devaney & Cletus Fischer shared motel rooms when on the road, to hold down expenses. What a builder of men Coach Devaney was, never be an equal in our history. I raise my glass to you Coach! My dimentia is setting in.
 
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There is no way that a team that recruits better than Wisky should get curb-stomped like we did on Saturday night. We were boys among men and something needs to change in our strength program.

It starts with the Head Coach, he must have a strength and conditioning plan for each player with goals. Barry system at Wisconsin is doing something right.
 

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It starts with the Head Coach, he must have a strength and conditioning plan for each player with goals. Barry system at Wisconsin is doing something right.

So you think Mike Riley needs to develop S&C plans? You think Barry is running the daily S&C program at Wisconsin? You don't think that S&C coach at Nebraska has a plan for each player with goals? Good God man surely you aren't that clueless.
 
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Thank you for helping to prove my point about strength and conditioning. It looks like Wisky DEVELOPED those guys through their strength and conditioning program. Here's is the weight of those guys as recruits and then their playing weight this season.

6'6"...225 lbs.....315 lbs.....3* 5.6 David Edwards
6'6"...252 lbs.....317 lbs.....3* 5.5 Beau Benschawel
6'5"...295 lbs.....328 lbs.....3* 5.5 Michael Dieter
6'5"...334 lbs.....336 lbs.....3* 5.6 Jon Dietzen
6'4"...270 lbs.....316 lbs.....3* 5.6 Tyler Biadasz

So Wisky's strength and conditioning program put the following weight on their linemen: 90, 65, 33, 2, 46. And remember that none of those guys are seniors and over half of these guys are underclassmen so those transformations happened relatively quickly.
Break down their career starts compared to ours. Them being so young I am SURE we are more experienced and have more time in the system.
 

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now the debate is regarding the strength coach - at some point if damn near every assistant that was originally hired has either been canned or may be canned then the main problem is with the person making the hires

for all the talk about continuity and needing time we are sure comfortable playing musical chairs with the entire staff short of the head man who some have said at 64 years of age isn't all that involved in the second to second management of the team anyway

no company is going to survive if the ceo hires a full cadre of incompetent upper to mid level managers.
 
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now the debate is regarding the strength coach - at some point if damn near every assistant that was originally hired has either been canned or may be canned then the main problem is with the person making the hires

for all the talk about continuity and needing time we are sure comfortable playing musical chairs with the entire staff short of the head man who some have said at 64 years of age isn't all that involved in the second to second management of the team anyway

no company is going to survive if the ceo hires a full cadre of incompetent upper to mid level managers.
I agree. I want Riley to be given the benefit of the doubt but it just gets harder and harder. That is why, reluctantly, I have concluded he needs to go
 
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Well, unlike the Pelini exit, I think Mike Riley will leave with professionalism and integrity.

Only an idiot like Anderson would turn down $12mm and just "walk away." Lol. Smilin Mike had a fallback plan. If he's canned, so what, just head on back to the Northwest with a wheel barrel of cash, a new house on the Oregon Coast, and a new bike :)
 

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They must really be pushing the PB&J up there
You ever been to Madison? It's PBR not PB&J that they're pushing. I think I saw a stat one time that said that Madison WI had the highest per capita beer consumption of any city in the US.....could be fake news though.
 
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