If the computers / metrics picked the CFP field…

[paindonthurt]

Just use the damn BCS ranking system. Incorporate the committee rankings into that equally as other rankings are incorporated.

account for auto qualification and such and make it simple and unbiased

 

[mstateglfr]

Hold the 17 up

ole miss destroyed Tulane
Played in the sec
Had a better record

Any computer system putting the ahead of ole Miss is flawed.

Unless it’s just taking into account the auto bid

Yes, Tulane is ahead of Ole Miss because of the auto bid.

Conference champ autobids are denoted by asterisk.

11. James Madison*
12. Tulane*

 

[8dog]

I don't know how to better explain it. How a team plays against any opponent, most easily evidenced by the final score, tells you a lot about how good they are over an entire season.

Why do you think there are so many rating systems that use the final score of every game to determine a team's strength?

That’s the point of my argument. These metrics are giving too much credit to beating bad teams badly. Who cares. If you cannot beat any of the good teams and teams you are in contention with are, then you should not be ahead of them. Any metric with ND at 3 is flawed.

 

[85Bears]

That’s the point of my argument. These metrics are giving too much credit to beating bad teams badly. Who cares. If you cannot beat any of the good teams and teams you are in contention with are, then you should not be ahead of them. Any metric with ND at 3 is flawed.

Not really. I was going to put money on ND as a sleeper to win it all, they are good this year and got better every week. one of the few team that I think could knock off Ohio State. Argue about #3 or #5 if you want , but to say they aren’t in the top 10 you have to be a moron.

 

[Dawgg]

Yes, instead of the 12. Tulane gets the 12, per the metrics. Those two teams are switched. Is this really a hill anyone is willing to die on?

No, but neither is putting Notre Dame in over a team that beat them.

 

[8dog]

Not really. I was going to put money on ND as a sleeper to win it all, they are good this year and got better every week. one of the few team that I think could knock off Ohio State. Argue about #3 or #5 if you want , but to say they aren’t in the top 10 you have to be a moron.

They got better every week b/c they stopped playing good teams. It’s about your resume. Not Vegas odds.

 

[onewoof]

Vegas had them as the fourth best chance to win it all. To not even be in the playoffs is a freaking joke. ESPN broadcast rights $$ apparently trumps all merit

Feast your eyes upon the geographic map that determines who gets in. Notice there is no overlap in Indiana with Notre Dame. No need to add BYU in. Gotta have Miami.

So yes it is money but it is money spead across "regional interests" eyeballs coast to coast. The goal is to keep growing monthly subscriptions to TV packages. Adding ND adds no money. Tulane is first team in due to this map - you get all of Lousiana with Tulane added.

 

[85Bears]

Feast your eyes upon the geographic map that determines who gets in. Notice there is no overlap in Indiana with Notre Dame. No need to add BYU in. Gotta have Miami.

So yes it is money but it is money spead across "regional interests" eyeballs coast to coast. The goal is to keep growing monthly subscriptions to TV packages. Adding ND adds no money. Tulane is first team in due to this map - you get all of Lousiana with Tulane added.

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Yes, and espn funds/owns the sec and the ACC and a big chunk of the big 12. The sheep like mantra of “join a conference” directed at ND can be translated as give us your broadcast rights. All of the espn personalities on air and online have the same set of talking points. oligarchies are inherently corrupt, in business, in politics and now in college football.

espn is the devil

 

[paindonthurt]

Yes, Tulane is ahead of Ole Miss because of the auto bid.

Yeah it got TLDR for me

But thanks for the help glfr!

 

[paindonthurt]

Not really. I was going to put money on ND as a sleeper to win it all, they are good this year and got better every week. one of the few team that I think could knock off Ohio State. Argue about #3 or #5 if you want , but to say they aren’t in the top 10 you have to be a moron.

You are kind of proving his point

 

[paindonthurt]

Feast your eyes upon the geographic map that determines who gets in. Notice there is no overlap in Indiana with Notre Dame. No need to add BYU in. Gotta have Miami.

So yes it is money but it is money spead across "regional interests" eyeballs coast to coast. The goal is to keep growing monthly subscriptions to TV packages. Adding ND adds no money. Tulane is first team in due to this map - you get all of Lousiana with Tulane added.

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Of course it’s about money but that’s not all

if that was the case they’d boot the $h1t out of Tulane and JMU

I can assure you notre dame vs ole miss would bring more money

 

[onewoof]

Yes, and espn funds/owns the sec and the ACC and a big chunk of the big 12. The sheep like mantra of “join a conference” directed at ND can be translated as give us your broadcast rights. All of the espn personalities on air and online have the same set of talking points. oligarchies are inherently corrupt, in business, in politics and now in college football.

espn is the devil

wait until the general public realizes that the first 2 rounds of the playoffs are just a greedy money grab like a meaningless hyper expensive bowl game....

 

[paindonthurt]

wait until the general public realizes that the first 2 rounds of the playoffs are just a greedy money grab like a meaningless hyper expensive bowl game....

And wait until people start calling for 24 team playoffs

oh wait

 

[She Mate Me]

That’s the point of my argument. These metrics are giving too much credit to beating bad teams badly. Who cares.

The whole point of the various rating systems is to determine who the strongest teams are. And they all use the scores of every game, no matter the quality of the opponent, to determine strength. In every sport they're used in.

So obviously they're not giving "too much credit to beating bad teams badly" because the whole 17ing point of the rating is to get every team as properly rated as possible. They all are trying to give the proper weight to every result.

 

[She Mate Me]

wait until the general public realizes that the first 2 rounds of the playoffs are just a greedy money grab like a meaningless hyper expensive bowl game....

Except Notre Dame came out of those two rounds to reach the championship game. And somebody will eventually come out of the first round and win it all.

 

[85Bears]

wait until the general public realizes that the first 2 rounds of the playoffs are just a greedy money grab like a meaningless hyper expensive bowl game....

im All for expanding the playoffs, but we have to have a little bit of integrity and not just sleazy backroom deals run by Disney/espn greed.

 

[onewoof]

Except Notre Dame came out of those two rounds to reach the championship game. And somebody will eventually come out of the first round and win it all.

Indiana is the darling this year, there is no one else but your point is valid, it will happen just to prove that "it can". That is important to the credibility of the corruption.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Hold the 17 up

ole miss destroyed Tulane
Played in the sec
Had a better record

Any computer system putting the ahead of ole Miss is flawed.

Unless it’s just taking into account the auto bid

Its just taking into account the autobid.

 

[Perd Hapley]

No, but neither is putting Notre Dame in over a team that beat them.

This model puts both ND and both of the teams that beat them in, so its a non-issue.

If you want to completely discount all the predictive metrics and focus strictly on the on-field results only (SOR), both ND and Miami would be out, and BYU would be in. But ND would still be one spot ahead of Miami.

 

[paindonthurt]

Its just taking into account the autobid.

Understand now

 

[paindonthurt]

This model puts both ND and both of the teams that beat them in, so its a non-issue.

If you want to completely discount all the predictive metrics and focus strictly on the on-field results only, both ND and Miami would be out, and BYU would be in. But ND would still be one spot ahead of Miami.

No they wouldn’t. In every scenario of on field Miami wins bc Miami beat them and has the same record as them.

them being notre dame

 

[Perd Hapley]

Feast your eyes upon the geographic map that determines who gets in. Notice there is no overlap in Indiana with Notre Dame. No need to add BYU in. Gotta have Miami.

So yes it is money but it is money spead across "regional interests" eyeballs coast to coast. The goal is to keep growing monthly subscriptions to TV packages. Adding ND adds no money. Tulane is first team in due to this map - you get all of Lousiana with Tulane added.

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This map is complete AI generated nonsense. WTF does it even mean?

Are we seriously being led to believe that what is by far the most populated region of the country will only be tuning in to watch James Madison?

That fans in North Dakota will be tuning in to watch Oklahoma?

That fans in Wyoming are tuning in for Texas Tech instead of Oregon or Oklahoma?

That there are more Indiana fans in Lexington and Louisville, KY than Ohio State fans?

That nobody outside of Alabama is tuning in for Alabama, and that both UGA and Ole Miss have bigger footprints in the southeast?

That all these borders between territories are perfectly straight lines?

 

[onewoof]

Radius of interest drops as it extends but yes. This matters to ESPN greatly. Absolutely factors into the selection process. Last year was obvious. This year as well.

 

[Perd Hapley]

No they wouldn’t. In every scenario of on field Miami wins bc Miami beat them and has the same record as them.

them being notre dame

Not according to Strength of Record index, which strictly looks at performance against the entire schedule…..not just a single head to head matchup.

Miami’s bad losses matter, whether you want them to or not.

 

[paindonthurt]

Not according to Strength of Record index, which strictly looks at performance against the entire schedule…..not just a single head to head matchup.

Miami’s bad losses matter, whether you want them to or not.

According to espns fpi page

Miami SOR 14
Notre dame SOR 13

Miami SOS 44
Notre dame 43

 

[Dawgg]

Except Notre Dame came out of those two rounds to reach the championship game. And somebody will eventually come out of the first round and win it all.

That happened last year. Ohio State was in the first round and won it all.

 

[Perd Hapley]

According to espns fpi page

Miami SOR 14
Notre dame SOR 13

Miami SOS 44
Notre dame 43

Exactly. Notre Dame is ranked higher.

10-2 vs. #43 SOS > 10-2 vs. #44 SOS

But if SOR exclusively was used, both would be out, and BYU would be in.

 

[She Mate Me]

That happened last year. Ohio State was in the first round and won it all.

Sure did, I missed that.

 

[onewoof]

That happened last year. Ohio State was in the first round and won it all.

It needs to be a "cinderella" for it to seem realistic that a non-recent major NIL school has a chance. Needs to be one of the low tier small underdog schools like Arizona State, Tulane, JMU, Boise State, Ole Miss. My gut tells me that Indiana is the underdog story that the average football fan will tune it to watch, but I don't think they make it to the finals this year.

 

[She Mate Me]

It needs to be a "cinderella" for it to seem realistic that a non-recent major NIL school has a chance. Needs to be one of the low tier small underdog schools like Arizona State, Tulane, JMU, Boise State, Ole Miss. My gut tells me that Indiana is the underdog story that the average football fan will tune it to watch, but I don't think they make it to the finals this year.

I gotta think depth for a team like Indiana becomes an issue trying to win three straight slobberknockers against the very best.

 

[paindonthurt]

Exactly. Notre Dame is ranked higher.

10-2 vs. #43 SOS > 10-2 vs. #44 SOS

But if SOR exclusively was used, both would be out, and BYU would be in.

Ffs
They basically have the same SOS and same SOR and Miami beat them head up

it’s a no brainer between notre dame and Miami.

 

[onewoof]

I gotta think depth for a team like Indiana becomes an issue trying to win three straight slobberknockers against the very best.

that is exactly what will end the season for most teams other than Georgia and Ohio State

 

[onewoof]

Question: what schools are paying players to play in the playoffs? with incentives? Like LSU did in 2019?

Another thing that will make you sick. If you don't play a player additional $ for the post season, they will just opt out and transfer for another quick pay out.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Ffs
They basically have the same SOS and same SOR and Miami beat them head up

it’s a no brainer between notre dame and Miami.

Okay. What are you telling me this for?

1) It was a hypothetical scenario in which they would both be out….in favor of BYU. It doesn’t really matter who would be out first or second. But the facts are ND is ranked higher in SOR than Miami. Just is what it is. Do with that what you will.

2) I have not specifically called for any sort of referendum on Miami vs. ND in here. This thread I started is another hypothetical scenario in which they both would be in the field.

 

[paindonthurt]

Okay. What are you telling me this for?

1) It was a hypothetical scenario in which they would both be out….in favor of BYU. It doesn’t really matter who would be out first or second. But the facts are ND is ranked higher in SOR than Miami. Just is what it is. Do with that what you will.

2) I have not specifically called for any sort of referendum on Miami vs. ND in here. This thread I started is another hypothetical scenario in which they both would be in the field.

I thought you had been arguing that ND should be in over Miami. Thats wrong if you are.

You can make the argument that BYU should be in sure. I don't disagree with that.