withdraw from the NCAA and form a ready made minor league system for the No Fun League...it will be the end of student athletes and the beginning of the end for football at WVU.
If the so called P5 schools...
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Just shut down scholarships. Too many fractured English "students " getting a free academic vacation from life.
Conferences are going two ways.
P5 are going National
G5 are going Regional
The President at ULL said it best. Why should they cut into their minimum profits to travel when they can make that same amount of money and play closer to home.
But P5 schools are thinking different. They are thinking about expanding their brand name and maximizing their exposure
Truthfully the state of WV deserves at least one school at the big boy table.
Don't know why anyone wouldn't want West VA to find some way to stay at this level.
P5 are going National
G5 are going Regional
The President at ULL said it best. Why should they cut into their minimum profits to travel when they can make that same amount of money and play closer to home.
But P5 schools are thinking different. They are thinking about expanding their brand name and maximizing their exposure
Truthfully the state of WV deserves at least one school at the big boy table.
Don't know why anyone wouldn't want West VA to find some way to stay at this level.
WVU will have a seat. I've always felt there should be four 20 team conferences, with eight 10 team divisions, regionalized, and allow the final four to result out of that. Granted, one region could potentially have five of the best eight teams in the country, but if you can't be the best within your region, then sorry about your luck.
East coast, midwest, south, and west. Every game means something.
Why would schools want to bring in more schools to share the revenue with
What we are going to see is schools push out others to bring in more revenue.
Especially if the cable/satellite thing changes and sports go behind a paywall.
Then it will be about matchups.
How many people want to watch your school play?
With what we are seeing with the CUSA and SunBelt is what is going to happen with the G5
But P5 conferences like they have been are going to go the other way.
Revenue is the #1 reason.
Pretty much with the G5 because they lack conference networks and most of their product is behind a paywall.
Doesn't matter how many states you are in. Just matters how many people watch your product.
One fact would be WVU is surprisingly well thought of out-of-state. I recall a basketball coach saying about 3 years ago that our national viewership had been in the top 4 or 5. Very likely thanks to super defender Carter and our full-court press.
I suspect that if say, 60 some schools attempt to go out on their own, and rake in all the dough, some schools, who consider themselves better than some current members of the P5, like a Houston, like a Central Florida, your military academies, Boise State, and a few others, they'll likely file several lawsuits, and we all know how that stuff plays out. Even if you took my idea of having 80 teams, your so-called 81st team is going to throw a fit. Regardless of what transpires down the road, somebody will always come away butt hurt.
This is it exactly. Now matter how many you take, the ones just outside are going to raise a giant stink and so too will the politicians in their states. It's a bit like the March Madness field except any particular March Madness field is for just one year. Imagine if they were going to select a March Madness field that was going to permanently define who could and could not win an NCAA title. That is what it would be like if a chunk of football schools started their own thing.
Lawsuit?
Based on what
Like I have said the MWC and AAC could find their way in because of NCAA basketball.
If not they are powerless. Only way they can have control is based on their local state governments. But none of them have that type of power
In is all speculation.
Ultimately there are a few plans in place.
One of them includes splitting the AAC, SunBelt and CUSA into three geographical conferences.
What would P5 schools leaving the NCAA actually DO?
One recent report says it's an actual possibility. But would that solve the big questions in college sports?
https://mattbrown.substack.com/p/what-would-p5-schools-leaving-the
Two most common Doomsday scenarios for the NCAA involve either some massive conference realignment that creates four, 16-team SUPER-CONFERENCES, or for the Power Five to just up and leave the NCAA completely. They’re both relative staples of the off season college football blog economy, and that’s not a criticism.
Despite the pandemic, the NCAA's foundation has already been in question. But during these uncertain times, the association may be one more calamitous event away from slipping off a cliff of relevancy.
"If there's no NCAA Tournament next year," Tatos said. "… I think then there has to be a breakaway from this model."
To put it more plainly, a separation of the Power Five conferences from the NCAA has long been possible. Those 65 schools, including independent Notre Dame, already exist as separate entities -- financially, competitively and even corporately. But with the coronavirus ratcheting up the stakes, a tipping point may be at hand.
"I'm telling you, if you or I were going to place a bet on a stock … you could double down on the Power Five being a separate entity now within two years," said Vince Thompson, founder and CEO of MELT, an Atlanta-based sports and entertainment marketing firm.
Dodd has quotes from University of Utah economist Ted Tatos, Vince Thompson, an unnamed P5 university president, and a source close to the AAC.
There’s a reason this is a popular question, and why many close to college athletics might predict it eventually happens. Nobody likes the NCAA!
The entire “amateurism” model looks like it’s one more good legal or political challenge from totally falling apart. The organization has been slow to take leadership on NIL, slow to maintain any sort of credibility in their ability to investigate rulebreaking or enforce any meaningful policy. They get bodybagged by critics at every opportunity. In an era where politicians agree on virtually nothing, it’s worth noting that both Republicans and Democrats can come together to agree that the NCAA sucks. It is honestly impressive.
Since the NCAA doesn’t run college football anyway, and the biggest programs continue to separate themselves from the pack, why shouldn’t the biggest programs leave and create their own entity? Surely they’d make more money that way, and then perhaps the Ball States of the world would be freed from the illusion that they share any sort of competitive space with Notre Dame or Michigan.
There is real merit in an organizational overhaul.
One recent report says it's an actual possibility. But would that solve the big questions in college sports?
https://mattbrown.substack.com/p/what-would-p5-schools-leaving-the
Two most common Doomsday scenarios for the NCAA involve either some massive conference realignment that creates four, 16-team SUPER-CONFERENCES, or for the Power Five to just up and leave the NCAA completely. They’re both relative staples of the off season college football blog economy, and that’s not a criticism.
Despite the pandemic, the NCAA's foundation has already been in question. But during these uncertain times, the association may be one more calamitous event away from slipping off a cliff of relevancy.
"If there's no NCAA Tournament next year," Tatos said. "… I think then there has to be a breakaway from this model."
To put it more plainly, a separation of the Power Five conferences from the NCAA has long been possible. Those 65 schools, including independent Notre Dame, already exist as separate entities -- financially, competitively and even corporately. But with the coronavirus ratcheting up the stakes, a tipping point may be at hand.
"I'm telling you, if you or I were going to place a bet on a stock … you could double down on the Power Five being a separate entity now within two years," said Vince Thompson, founder and CEO of MELT, an Atlanta-based sports and entertainment marketing firm.
Dodd has quotes from University of Utah economist Ted Tatos, Vince Thompson, an unnamed P5 university president, and a source close to the AAC.
There’s a reason this is a popular question, and why many close to college athletics might predict it eventually happens. Nobody likes the NCAA!
The entire “amateurism” model looks like it’s one more good legal or political challenge from totally falling apart. The organization has been slow to take leadership on NIL, slow to maintain any sort of credibility in their ability to investigate rulebreaking or enforce any meaningful policy. They get bodybagged by critics at every opportunity. In an era where politicians agree on virtually nothing, it’s worth noting that both Republicans and Democrats can come together to agree that the NCAA sucks. It is honestly impressive.
Since the NCAA doesn’t run college football anyway, and the biggest programs continue to separate themselves from the pack, why shouldn’t the biggest programs leave and create their own entity? Surely they’d make more money that way, and then perhaps the Ball States of the world would be freed from the illusion that they share any sort of competitive space with Notre Dame or Michigan.
There is real merit in an organizational overhaul.
Jon Sundvold, Chair of the University of Missouri Board of Curators
“The NCAA Committee on Infractions made a mistake yesterday. We expect leadership from institutions to admit when they make a mistake, correct that mistake and move forward. The NCAA should do the same. As David Roberts, NCAA Committee on Infractions panel chief officer, said, “Missouri did the right thing.” I now expect the NCAA to do the right thing.
“If it doesn’t, a dangerous precedent has been set. When an individual acts independently of their employer, violates rules, commits extortion and shops her accusations to the highest bidder, why would that institution be punished unjustly after doing the right thing?
“Inconsistent actions by the NCAA continue to erode its credibility. If it doesn’t admit and correct this unprecedented fault, many Power Five schools, like Missouri, will question the need for the NCAA as a governing body.
“As our appeal moves forward, I appreciate the support of the SEC and Commissioner Greg Sankey. When Mizzou wins the SEC East next year, he should do the right thing and invite one of its good standing members to play in the SEC Championship game.”
“The NCAA Committee on Infractions made a mistake yesterday. We expect leadership from institutions to admit when they make a mistake, correct that mistake and move forward. The NCAA should do the same. As David Roberts, NCAA Committee on Infractions panel chief officer, said, “Missouri did the right thing.” I now expect the NCAA to do the right thing.
“If it doesn’t, a dangerous precedent has been set. When an individual acts independently of their employer, violates rules, commits extortion and shops her accusations to the highest bidder, why would that institution be punished unjustly after doing the right thing?
“Inconsistent actions by the NCAA continue to erode its credibility. If it doesn’t admit and correct this unprecedented fault, many Power Five schools, like Missouri, will question the need for the NCAA as a governing body.
“As our appeal moves forward, I appreciate the support of the SEC and Commissioner Greg Sankey. When Mizzou wins the SEC East next year, he should do the right thing and invite one of its good standing members to play in the SEC Championship game.”
What is Missouri going to do?
They definitely deserve their punishment. I would have written a letter in support of punishing them if there weren't people who did already.
All the schools can give these student athletes is a chance at bettering their lives either through a degree or on the athletic field.
Mizzou took that away by allowing someone else to pretty much take the classes for the students. Unlike in regards to UNC there wasn't much of a choice as the service was only given to athletes.
Definitely a lot more severe than what a school like OM did because at least they were giving them something instead of removing it.
They definitely deserve their punishment. I would have written a letter in support of punishing them if there weren't people who did already.
All the schools can give these student athletes is a chance at bettering their lives either through a degree or on the athletic field.
Mizzou took that away by allowing someone else to pretty much take the classes for the students. Unlike in regards to UNC there wasn't much of a choice as the service was only given to athletes.
Definitely a lot more severe than what a school like OM did because at least they were giving them something instead of removing it.
Any discussion of this crap is moronic. All the corruption stems from the semi professional status of college sports that has developed in this country. It's ********. Eliminate all scholarships and special treatment. Tear down the ridiculous palaces of play. Stop giving passes to a bunch of folks who can't put an intelligent thought together. Pay coaches to be coaches. Remember the reasons for colleges. Strengthen the student athlete model. And also remember that football...basketball...etc are just games...not life and death.
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College football is a vehicle for upward mobility.
Just matters how you use it. No reason to shut these doors.
Not all of these players are going to play professionally. The ones who don't leave with a degree and at most schools leave with a lifetime supply of connections.
Very similar to colleges itself. You attend college to better yourself.
This includes college football. This idea that this system is so horrible is based on what...
How many former WVU football players are working and making 100K a year?
How many of these wouldn't have had that chance without college football?
Let's be real here.
Just matters how the players use it and more importantly the universities.
The problem comes not with the universities but the recruits.
What do these kids value?.
Is it the NFL or bust. You can't force every college football player into taking education serious.
But if just one player who enters WVU that wouldn't had the chance without football and leaves WVU with a degree the school has done its job.
Especially if that player becomes someone after football.
Just matters how you use it. No reason to shut these doors.
Not all of these players are going to play professionally. The ones who don't leave with a degree and at most schools leave with a lifetime supply of connections.
Very similar to colleges itself. You attend college to better yourself.
This includes college football. This idea that this system is so horrible is based on what...
How many former WVU football players are working and making 100K a year?
How many of these wouldn't have had that chance without college football?
Let's be real here.
Just matters how the players use it and more importantly the universities.
The problem comes not with the universities but the recruits.
What do these kids value?.
Is it the NFL or bust. You can't force every college football player into taking education serious.
But if just one player who enters WVU that wouldn't had the chance without football and leaves WVU with a degree the school has done its job.
Especially if that player becomes someone after football.
Just the truth that you cannot handle.
You post your ******** on a college sports message board for WVU
Like everyone should just stop caring about sports and walk away. Weird.
There are some schools that these kids would never have the chance to attend if it wasn't for college football.
They are able to attend and make something out of their life.
Just look at what Neal Brown is doing for WVU.
Trust and believe Brown wants these players to have success in life even if it isn't in football.
This is important. This is what you sell to mother's and father's.
Isn't just about football..
It is a lifetime decision. More than that why take that away
You post your ******** on a college sports message board for WVU
Like everyone should just stop caring about sports and walk away. Weird.
There are some schools that these kids would never have the chance to attend if it wasn't for college football.
They are able to attend and make something out of their life.
Just look at what Neal Brown is doing for WVU.
Trust and believe Brown wants these players to have success in life even if it isn't in football.
This is important. This is what you sell to mother's and father's.
Isn't just about football..
It is a lifetime decision. More than that why take that away
Not society's problem. Learn to spell and speak English in public school. Work as hard on academics as they do on social media. Earn an academic scholarship or ...here is a novel idea...pay for it like everyone else.
They are earning something.
Since society values football colleges do as well.
Just like with regular students college sports is a vehicle for upward mobility.
This won't change until people don't value football. I don't see this happening.
Values football? Really? Being able to run a little faster or jump a little higher is earning something? Good lord you are a bottem feeder. Learn how to do something priductive.
That is what gets them into school. The rest is on them.
They have to take advantage of a chance.
That is what life is all about.
Like if I gave you 10K. What would you do with it
Some would buy some clothes, maybe a car or even throw in away on partying and women.
But some would take that 10K and triple it.
That door being opened is the key.
Not going to shut it.
The mentality that some have is get theirs and screw everyone else.
But we need people to have the ability to have upward mobility.
That is what college is all about.
They have to take advantage of a chance.
That is what life is all about.
Like if I gave you 10K. What would you do with it
Some would buy some clothes, maybe a car or even throw in away on partying and women.
But some would take that 10K and triple it.
That door being opened is the key.
Not going to shut it.
The mentality that some have is get theirs and screw everyone else.
But we need people to have the ability to have upward mobility.
That is what college is all about.
You sound like those low life currently rioting in the streets. Lol. Good grief are you THICK between the ears. True student athletes who have studied hard to get into college and then achieved at real classes have earned something. The ones who can't spell...can't construct a sentence...and got passed on because they can jump...run...and play video games havent earned jack **** you moron. What you describe is cultural and institutional bias.
You would have written a letter against Mizzu? You’re messin around right? Man you really don’t have life. Wow!
Triple haha. So you give $10,000 to drug dealers Adam? I mean you showed up at Greg’s office asking what should you do with $20,000 haha. They have you on camera in his conference room.
Never played sports..
You earn athletic scholarships as well
You earn that scholarship to better your life.
Pretty much the purpose for universities
Well you finally admitted that you never played sports and get your self promoted sports knowledge from stealing off the internet. Too funny. I would think your knowledge of college is acquired the same way. Maybe you should actually do something and...better yourself.
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You are the one unhappy with life and not me.
Your argument makes this obvious.
Definitely sounds jealous.
Young high school kids train and work hard to get athletic scholarships so they can attend college.
Some obviously only care about playing pro sports but even then if their dream does not happen they are obtaining the ability to think at the college level.
College is all about thinking. The ability to think critically. Analyze your own life and the world around you.
Obviously you should attend college because your ability to think critically is not there.
Like I have said if 1 person is assisted by WVU football program the university has served its purpose.
Truthfully there are probably hundreds if not thousands of people the program has helped.
You should listen to how Neal Brown views his football program and the impact it has on student athletes.
Ok faketexasdude it is obvious you are a world class jock sucker and your broken record responses still bore me. So....back on ignore.
I win again.
Poor Rootcanal.
You do know this is a college sports message board...
So you being here shows how important college sports are to you.
Poor Rootcanal.
You do know this is a college sports message board...
So you being here shows how important college sports are to you.