If we get rid of Koenning...

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

...we need to find a Dana Holgorsen or Chip Kelly disciple. We either get with this up tempo thing or we get left behind.

I don't think we can get rid of Wilson. I haven't liked what I've seen so far, but he's built up too much cache with our players and our recruits to just toss him after one awful game (and it was awful). If we're having these same issues next year, then he's probably in trouble.

 

[cheewgumm]

I think it's premature t get rid of anyone. It's one game. I know, 2 including

Bama, but that is # 1 team on road.

I'm as frustrated as anyone, but fact is they have to have a chance to get this back on the rails.

 

[OzarkaNSW]

i think gene chizik will be available #offensivebackground

 

[Dawgzilla]

The defense has been bad all season. I know their overall stats were okay, but that was primarily based on the level of competition they were playing. Holding MTSU (without their best player) to 3 points, and JSU, Auburn, and USA to 10 points was nothing to brag about. State has had no pass rush and has left receivers wide open all season. Then, against UT we found out State cannot stop the run, either. The funny thing is, I was re-watching a little bit of last year's UMiss game, and Brian Griese was commenting how great the defensive line was, and how they should be good for a few years to come even with Cox going pro. I cannot understand why they suck now.

 

[patdog]

You do realize we're running Mullen's offense don't you? It doesn't really matter too much who the offensive coordinator is.

 

[esplanade91]

Not true. I mean, yes, it's Mullen's playbook, but Keonning calls the plays. He did the same thing when he was at A&M. He was an underwhelming hire to begin with.

My thing is, the offense isn't awful, it's in the mediocre to good range, but he's an old old old man who I think is out of touch with modern football. He brings little to the "quarterback coach" spot and barely anything to the OC spot. He's basically Mullen's *****. We don't run a no-huddle because I honestly think he just can't implement it properly.

Find me an OC the same age as the rest of the coaching staff who knows something about the no-huddle and having a power spread QB. I guarantee we start pulling in the offensive recruits we keep missing out on when we do.

 

[Coach34]

As I said 743 times during the Croom Error- changing OC's is not going to change anything. We run Dan Mullen's offense- not Les Koenning's. A new coordinator would just mean they would be told by Mullen what to do instead of Les.

If Kirby Smart leaves Bammer, I can assure you there won't be any defensive changes. Same goes for offense at Mississippi State.

 

[patdog]

I do agree about Koennig. I wondered why we hired him in the first place and he hasn't shown me anything since to make me change my mind about him. I'm all for canning him. But I don't think we're going to see a huge change in the offense either way.

 

[smellmyfinger]

When Mullen came here, the motto was "spread the fun". Well that's not happening and for those of you criticizing the defense you need to take aim at the offense as well. This past Saturday we couldn't move against aTm. That's pretty bad considering they hadn't stopped anybody's run game prior to us.

 

[DAWG61]

If it's Mullen's offense what's the purpose of having Les Keonning? I can't stand micromanaging. Hire a good coordinator, pay him well and stand the 17 out of his way and let him do what you hired him for. Les is basically a waste of a coaching spot. Free up his spot and hire a Special Teams coach or someone to explain football to Wilson during the West games. Get the hell out of the OC way and actually let him be a coach or use his wasted spot for the other two huge weaknesses in Special teams or defense.

 

[Coach34]

If it's Mullen's offense what's the purpose of having Les Keonning? I can't stand micromanaging. Hire a good coordinator, pay him well and stand the 17 out of his way and let him do what you hired him for. Les is basically a waste of a coaching spot. Free up his spot and hire a Special Teams coach or someone to explain football to Wilson during the West games. Get the hell out of the OC way and actually let him be a coach or use his wasted spot for the other two huge weaknesses in Special teams or defense.

Because Les watches twice as much film and does alot of the gameplanning Mullen doesnt have time to do. That's why he lets Les call the plays for the most part. But this is not Les Koenning's offense we run- just like it wasnt Woody McCorvey's under Crooms

Bama doesnt run Kirby Smart's defense
LSU doesnt run Steve Kragthorpe's offense
Mississippi doesnt run Dan Woerner's offense
Florida doesnt run Dan Quinn's defense

and on and on and on

 

[DAWG61]

Sorry I'm having a disconnect here but if you do most of the game planning and you call all the plays then I think it's your offense. Didn't Dan call the plays vs Michigan? We seemed to do well that day. It might be best to let Les go and hire someone whose job is special teams coach and breaking down film for Dan. Dan can free up time to focus on offense when he's not occupied with special teams.

 

[esplanade91]

You're missing the point. No one on here is arguing that it's Les's offense. It's Mullen's playbook, but Les calls a LARGE majority of the plays.

What's the point of having Mullen's offensive genius if Les is going to call a run play on 1st and 2nd downs and pass play on 3rd when we're down 20 in the 3rd quarter?

GTFO with this "won't make a difference" crap. Les is over the hill. Bring me a person who played college football during or after the Spurrier-UF years or who has at least studied the spread offense before.

My friend who played TE was recruited by Les at USA and was promised that he called very pro style 2 TE sets. That's the anti-Mullen. I'll never understand the hire.

 

[Coach34]

Sorry I'm having a disconnect here but if you do most of the game planning and you call all the plays then I think it's your offense. Didn't Dan call the plays vs Michigan? We seemed to do well that day. It might be best to let Les go and hire someone whose job is special teams coach and breaking down film for Dan. Dan can free up time to focus on offense when he's not occupied with special teams.

not to my knowledge...it was still Koenning with Mullen butting in from time to time

 

[Coach34]

You're missing the point. No one on here is arguing that it's Les's offense. It's Mullen's playbook, but Les calls a LARGE majority of the plays.

What's the point of having Mullen's offensive genius if Les is going to call a run play on 1st and 2nd downs and pass play on 3rd when we're down 20 in the 3rd quarter?

GTFO with this "won't make a difference" crap. Les is over the hill. Bring me a person who played college football during or after the Spurrier-UF years or who has at least studied the spread offense before.

My friend who played TE was recruited by Les at USA and was promised that he called very pro style 2 TE sets. That's the anti-Mullen. I'll never understand the hire.

You are completely and totally wrong.

There have been numerous posts on here saying we should hire a new OC so that we could run a new offense. ****, the guy who started the thread said "we need to find a Dana Holgorsen or Chip Kelly disciple. We either get with this up tempo thing or we get left behind."

As far as the playcalling, Our 1st 4 first down plays Saturday were passes. But we were having more success on the ground, and you could see Mullen telling Les to run the ball- Mullen wanted to run the ball more- not Koenning. Later on our 2nd TD drive, they had the camera on Mullen, and as plain as day you could see Mullen say "I aint running that"....Mullen then took off the headset, and called the zone read play that Tyler ran in for TD.

Mullen is a run first guy. I'm not sure why anybody ever doubts this. Hell, the fact your buddy was told by Koenning he was going to run pro sets should be a hint of what Koenning likes to do.

 

[archdog]

...we need to find a Dana Holgorsen or Chip Kelly disciple. We either get with this up tempo thing or we get left behind.

I don't think we can get rid of Wilson. I haven't liked what I've seen so far, but he's built up too much cache with our players and our recruits to just toss him after one awful game (and it was awful). If we're having these same issues next year, then he's probably in trouble.

Not that I know anything about football, but watching out team move as slow as glaciers out there needs to be looked at. Hell, why huddle all the time. Why not mix up the up tempo and huddle when it serves what we need to do? We ran uptempo last year all the time, why not this year? Huddle when we need to slow it down or when we need to regroup, but when you get a quick first down push it.

I am against a new OC. The play calling is suspect. A&M mixed it up very well against us. They ran the type of offensive plays I wish we would run. Quick passes to the outside. Quick handoffs up the middle. Then play action the hell out of it. Speed needs adjusting in this offense, especially this week. LSU is not going to give us the 4.5 seconds required for our offense to get 9 yards down the field.

 

[DAWG61]

If your offense can't move the ball consistently with many first downs in a traditional huddle your offense has no business running up-tempo. It will hurt your defense and have you out of the game faster. Up-tempo Nascar offense only helps after already moving the ball. At this point it can be of great benefit. Oregon was gashing USC for major yards running simple sweeps and fakes just because the defense was out of position at the snap. This only worked because they had already established a 1st down.

To me the ideal offense is a blend of huddle and then quick snaps when the defense is not set. I would have two plays called at all times. If the 1st play works you rush to the line and quick snap the second play before the defense can get set or communicate. Causing huge chunks of yards with simple plays that don't work out of the huddle.

They key to this offense is getting the 1st 1st down though. To stop this offense the defense needs to be better conditioned than the offense and be able to stay on the field with no subs for the length of the drive and can't be caught out of position at the snap. If your defense can stop the fast offense you'll be essentially causing half a turnover with the extra time you'll be giving your offense.