If we keep it close vs TN and cowbells
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Don’t you know that we control the ADs in the SEC now?
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Sadly, somehow that will be a $1 million dollar fine that has not been instituted, but of course, &tate will be the lone school to get it going. But I agree, ring the $hat out of those bells.
Refs would hit us with a couple of 15 yard paneities. Would be ok with that?
Which would quickly be covered by someone because that win is worth it. People can stop worrying about this BS.
Absolutely the win is worth it! Just “Stretch” that ringing rule. Take how that how you want. Obviously not going to be implemented, but you get the picture.
Technically, they were banned from the mid 70s until some point last decade when the current policy was implemented. So, they were banned but nothing was really done about it.
..and just because someone (which I don't necessarily believe) can light $50k on fire doesn't mean they should.
Regardless cowbells won't win this game.
The refs cannot penalize us. The NCAA did away with excessive noise rules a long time ago and told the SEC. it cannot impose its own on field penalty for crowd noise.
I do not know if the penalty structure has been changed but under the orifginal agreement we would receive a $50,000 penalty for a single game violation. The SEC could decide to ban cowbells completely, but I don't think they would do it on a single game basis with no warning.
What do you mean nothing done about it?
Back in my younger days, I had mine taken at Scott field by the cops. It was a complete pat down at the student gates to keep them out.
The campus police station had a table full of cowbells after many sec games in the 90s.
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That was my point, they were banned from 74 until 2010. The agreement was that we'd stop ringing when the opposing QB lined up. We've been good about that until this year.
During SEC play, we won't get away with ringing them throughout the opposing offense's snap - if games are close.
What’s the stipulations for the fine? Not being ugly and I get what you’re saying; but, the cowbells are allowed … just ring when they are not under center or in shotgun. Other than that ring them non stop. What if the plantation does HT every time someone is about to snap the ball. Granted it’s not a noise maker, but it’s interfering with the opposing team being able to snap the ball. It’s noise! Those 17 heads yelling is a noise .. whether it’s a maker or not. I 100% get what you’re saying … just asking where is the fine line? SEC only recognizes State with cowbells? I’m not debating you on the issue, just trying to figure out where the line in the sand is drawn … fine-wise on us? Is there anything specific written in SEC By-laws, or is it up to officials? I’ll hang up and listen.
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...AND you had to go to the Dean of Students to retrieve it in my case.
I lived through the SEC bell ban. Anyone who shows up without a bell for a home game knows how ‘nekked’ that feels. Any ******* State fan who wants to get the SEC to do it, again, is a fool of the highest order.
No absolutely, not questioning what you’re saying at all. My lone question to BulldogB was how do you implement a preemptive fine from the SEC, since State is the only team recognized with noise-makers? Could be wrong on that, but I don’t know another team who falls in the category.
I wish we'd close in the M Club side so we could really amplify the sound. I feel we are missing out on a ton of sound.
Pike, Bring two cowbells, one for each hand. Ring them nonstop until "the center is over the ball". Then you are supposed to rest the bell.
However you are completely right on other schools working in the gray of noise, with playing music, PA screaming down and distance and leaving mics hot.
OM in particular, on the opponents 3rd down, they always turn the speakers up to 11 and play music. Then when the center places his hand on the ball, they cut the music but the PA conviently gives a "THiRRRRD Dooooowwnnn" as the Qb is in his candence. That's an institutional violation of the rule if you ask me and deserves fines.
However you are completely right on other schools working in the gray of noise, with playing music, PA screaming down and distance and leaving mics hot.
OM in particular, on the opponents 3rd down, they always turn the speakers up to 11 and play music. Then when the center places his hand on the ball, they cut the music but the PA conviently gives a "THiRRRRD Dooooowwnnn" as the Qb is in his candence. That's an institutional violation of the rule if you ask me and deserves fines.
I’m not debating you on that, and completely agree with you. My lone question was where an SEC $$$ penalty would come in for State based off of …. Cowbells. If MSU fans went to a tennis match, and rang those bells non-stop, would that be an SEC or NCAA violation? Dudy Noble … oppositions best hitter is at the plate, bells ringing like it’s a free for all. SEC about to fine us for that? My whole argument … I don’t know where State comes in making “Noise” but yet it’s different for all other schools? Sorry guys, I’m not bitching, I’m just saying, there is NOT an SEC By-Law for State and the cowbells. Absolutely 15 yard penalty after penalty; my argument was for this heavy fine coming down from the league. Lol love you guys and let’s silence Rocky Top!
I think you are mistaken. Not only can we be penalized, we can have cowbell's banned at games.
This is not new.
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I’ll eat crow and take it blackened. Can you pull the section, from the by-laws, that addresses noise makers … and MSU? As stated, since we constitute Noise Makers, what defines that, and what is the SEC’s stipulation regarding that? And back to my whole argument, what’s the monetary penalty for that? If you say they will ban, I get, but what’s the $$$ penalty? That was my whole argument. Is there anything written to address that? Since STATE is the only university that constitutes Noise Makers. Lol I don’t want us to get fines at all, I was just curious what money penalties we would face.
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Can I pull it, no. And I don't know the definition of an artificial noise maker, specifically, but a cowbell is considered one.
Just Ring responsibly.
We are good and we agree! LoI I’m with you, I was just curious about the written language since it was stated earlier.
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They were "illegal" (against the rules, not the law) for a long time, but this time around they'd likely enforce it more rigidly. Violators would likely be shown the gate, and repeat violators might even be banned from future games.
Completely agree. It’s a 48 page document on their website, that mentions State specifically. All it states, is ring before and after a play (paraphrasing). Never mentions a $$ penalty. That’s what this whole thing was about. Let’s beat TN, you boys have a good Monday, and … that’s it. But thank you guys, I’m not above being taught right; always appreciate your input!
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I cant believe we have to clarify this, but I guess some people dont know how we got here. I have linked the relevant SEC Bylaws below (Section 30.22.1.5 (c) - (e)
The SEC has agreed that State can ring cowbells at football games as long as we follow the same rules that apply to bands and other institutionally controlled noisemakers (PA systems). Without specifically mentioning MSU, the by laws allow the use of "traditional institutional noisemakers" in the home stadium of a school. Currently, MSU is the only SEC school with traditional noisemakers. Texas rings cowbells, but I believe they are limited to the band members.
Enforcement for the cowbell noise is the same as enforcement for PA noise and bands. I dont know what goes on in Oxford, but a good friend of mine is the scoreboard operator st Auburn. Auburn has been fined at least twice for playing PA noise when the opposing center is over the ball. Interestingly, if you listen carefully during replays of the "kick 6" play from 2013, Auburn's PA systems was playing "Crazy Train" while the ball was being snapped.
However, as you can see below, the noise is supposed to stop from the time the center is over the ball until the whistle blows the play dead. We dont do that, as everyone starts ringing their bell when the ball is snapped. I can only assume that coaches dont care as long as they can get their signals called.
I will C&P the relevant Bylaws in my next post
SEC Constitution And Bylaws
The SEC has agreed that State can ring cowbells at football games as long as we follow the same rules that apply to bands and other institutionally controlled noisemakers (PA systems). Without specifically mentioning MSU, the by laws allow the use of "traditional institutional noisemakers" in the home stadium of a school. Currently, MSU is the only SEC school with traditional noisemakers. Texas rings cowbells, but I believe they are limited to the band members.
Enforcement for the cowbell noise is the same as enforcement for PA noise and bands. I dont know what goes on in Oxford, but a good friend of mine is the scoreboard operator st Auburn. Auburn has been fined at least twice for playing PA noise when the opposing center is over the ball. Interestingly, if you listen carefully during replays of the "kick 6" play from 2013, Auburn's PA systems was playing "Crazy Train" while the ball was being snapped.
However, as you can see below, the noise is supposed to stop from the time the center is over the ball until the whistle blows the play dead. We dont do that, as everyone starts ringing their bell when the ball is snapped. I can only assume that coaches dont care as long as they can get their signals called.
I will C&P the relevant Bylaws in my next post
SEC Constitution And Bylaws
Here is the relevant Bylaws sections, 30.22.1.5 (c), (d), and (e)
(c) At football games, artificial noise makers shall not be brought into or used in any sports venue during games between
member institutions, other than contests played on the campus of an institution with a traditional institutional noise maker.
Each institution should have statements printed on tickets and notices to the effect that such noisemakers will not be
permitted inside its competition areas. Penalties for violations of this provision are set forth in the Commissioner’s
Regulations; [Revised: 6/1/02; Revised: 6/4/2010; Effective 6/4/2010; Revised: 6/1/12; Revised: 5/29/15]
(d) At football games the use of amplifiers, microphones, and megaphones shall be restricted to the cheerleaders of the
institutions participating, directed only toward the stands and shall not be used from the time the offensive center puts a
hand on the football until the football has been snapped. Additionally, the use of institutionally controlled computerized
sound systems (including music), institutionally controlled artificial noisemakers and any traditional institutional noise
maker shall not play from the time the offensive center puts a hand on the football until the officials whistle the play dead.
Bands shall not play from the time the offensive center puts a hand on the football until the football has been snapped. In
no case may music be played which may be construed to be derogatory toward the visiting team or the game officials.
Physical distractions (e.g., artificial noisemakers, portable amplifiers or the main stadium public address) shall not be used
by cheerleaders while either team is on the field (warm-ups or competition). An institution shall submit to the
Commissioner an annual use plan explaining how traditional institutional noise makers shall be governed to ensure
compliance with SEC Bylaw 30.22.1.5 (d). Penalties for use of traditional institutional noise makers in violation of this
provision or failure to adhere to the institution’s management plan for traditional institutional noise makers shall be set
forth in the Commissioner’s Regulations governing the sport of football; and [Revised: 6/4/2010 effective 6/4/2010,
Revised: 6/1/12, Revised: 5/30/14 effective 8/1/14, Revised: 6/1/18]
(e) In sports other than football, the use of artificial noisemakers shall be governed by the Commissioner’s Regulations for
each sport. Penalties for violations of this provision are also set forth in the Commissioner’s Regulations for each sport.
[Revised: 5/29/15]
(c) At football games, artificial noise makers shall not be brought into or used in any sports venue during games between
member institutions, other than contests played on the campus of an institution with a traditional institutional noise maker.
Each institution should have statements printed on tickets and notices to the effect that such noisemakers will not be
permitted inside its competition areas. Penalties for violations of this provision are set forth in the Commissioner’s
Regulations; [Revised: 6/1/02; Revised: 6/4/2010; Effective 6/4/2010; Revised: 6/1/12; Revised: 5/29/15]
(d) At football games the use of amplifiers, microphones, and megaphones shall be restricted to the cheerleaders of the
institutions participating, directed only toward the stands and shall not be used from the time the offensive center puts a
hand on the football until the football has been snapped. Additionally, the use of institutionally controlled computerized
sound systems (including music), institutionally controlled artificial noisemakers and any traditional institutional noise
maker shall not play from the time the offensive center puts a hand on the football until the officials whistle the play dead.
Bands shall not play from the time the offensive center puts a hand on the football until the football has been snapped. In
no case may music be played which may be construed to be derogatory toward the visiting team or the game officials.
Physical distractions (e.g., artificial noisemakers, portable amplifiers or the main stadium public address) shall not be used
by cheerleaders while either team is on the field (warm-ups or competition). An institution shall submit to the
Commissioner an annual use plan explaining how traditional institutional noise makers shall be governed to ensure
compliance with SEC Bylaw 30.22.1.5 (d). Penalties for use of traditional institutional noise makers in violation of this
provision or failure to adhere to the institution’s management plan for traditional institutional noise makers shall be set
forth in the Commissioner’s Regulations governing the sport of football; and [Revised: 6/4/2010 effective 6/4/2010,
Revised: 6/1/12, Revised: 5/30/14 effective 8/1/14, Revised: 6/1/18]
(e) In sports other than football, the use of artificial noisemakers shall be governed by the Commissioner’s Regulations for
each sport. Penalties for violations of this provision are also set forth in the Commissioner’s Regulations for each sport.
[Revised: 5/29/15]