If we lose.

MacNit

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Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way but it sure looks to me like PSU has gone in the last 15 years from a mess of a program on the periphery of the top 25 to a solid top 10 program, maybe top 5, likely regular playoff team, one of the elite factories for NFL talent, maybe on the verge of being one of the superprograms like Ohio State and Michigan and Oregon that contend for championships and rule college football. Correct me if I'm wrong about this but I think the guy who's run the PSU football program during this long rise has been a guy named James Franklin. And he's done it without cheating. And people here are saying they want to fire him if the team loses a football game on Saturday. Hmmm.
I think people here ought to be worried about losing Franklin if PSU doesn't surpass last year's success but it will be because some other place wants to hire him for a truckload of money to do what he's done at PSU. And if he were to leave, the odds are frankly not great that his successor would be as successful. If you want to see PSU continue to rise (and rising is harder the higher you get), I think your best odds would be to stay with the guy who has rebuilt the program to where it is. I've been a college football fan for nearly 60 years and that would be my long-term perspective.
Win a big game more than once a decade and you will see the perspectives turn more positive. Right now, it’s just wishful thinking.

At home, at night, anything’s possible (see UVA) but the team has looked bad - especially Allar and Singleton.
 

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Recruiting has improved under Franklin's tenure. This year's team roster has the highest blue chip ratio in PSU's history since it was tracked, and it's been improving annually under Franklin.
But no where near Paterno’s peak.
 

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He has his job until that buyout goes under $20 million if not under $10 million so probably 5 more years. Unfortunately he can lose all the big games he wants until it becomes a reasonable financial decision to can him.
Thanks Sandy.
 

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Definitely worked out for Georgia but it's much more common for programs to scuffle along for a while, sometimes many years, till they find their guy. The best example of course being Nebraska. But Alabama and Texas also had a lot of years of mediocrity (by their standards). When Franklin leaves (and I think he will, when he's ready for another challenge) there's a risk that PSU would fall into the middle regions of the B1G for an extended period of time. Franklin is a very big reason why PSU recruits at the level it does. That said, be careful what you wish for, if Franklin were to break through this year and get his championship, NFL teams could be knocking on the door.
Championship? We have had our hands full with teams ranked in the 120s.
 

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I'll react the same way as every other big game loss. Immediately, isolate myself to a separate bedroom and stop watching sports, no cell and switch to a documentary or movie. fall asleep, wake up at some point in the middle of the night and get hit with that reality that we lost.
By Wednesday I'll have scenarios for the team winning out that will make happy and optimistic for the rest of the season. Until the next loss, repeat above.

Shabbat Shalom
 
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I'll react the same way as every other big game loss. Immediately, isolate myself to a separate bedroom and stop watching sports, no cell and switch to a documentary or movie. fall asleep, wake up at some point in the middle of the night and get hit with that reality that we lost.
By Wednesday I'll have scenarios for the team winning out that will make happy and optimistic for the rest of the season. Until the next loss, repeat above.

Shabbat Shalom
May I suggest late nite bama instead?
 

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Seriously, Urban has already said he's done coaching. Texas reached out to him a few years back with mega money - and that fertile recruiting state - and he turned them down
Things change. You still ask.
 
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If NW is even in this game a little bit or wins it, its the end of Franklin, regardless of his buyout. There's no way that Kraft can justify keeping him around with the price tag of the stadium still on his tab. Why contribute to a $700M stadium bill if your coach is not doing the right things. He's out recruiting literally every week/weekend and taking focus away from the problem at hand with the current team. I just do not believe in blurring the lines with the current season and the future. Its all about priorities.
 

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If NW is even in this game a little bit or wins it, its the end of Franklin, regardless of his buyout. There's no way that Kraft can justify keeping him around with the price tag of the stadium still on his tab. Why contribute to a $700M stadium bill if your coach is not doing the right things. He's out recruiting literally every week/weekend and taking focus away from the problem at hand with the current team. I just do not believe in blurring the lines with the current season and the future. Its all about priorities.
The time to act is now.
 

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Sort of an odd comment from Franklin:

In the post-game presser, Franklin mentioned that he asked Knowles to talk to the whole team following the loss to Oregon about staying focused and bouncing back, and maintaining the perspective that the true prize is still attainable.

But Franklin said that Knowles only talked to the defense, and not the whole team. Then he said something like, "I don't know why he did that. I don't know why he only talked to the defense."

Uuuuuuuh... aren't you the head coach? Doesn't Jim Knowles work for you? If you want him to talk to the whole team, and he refuses, how does that work? It seems to me if you're in charge and you want your DC to address the entire team, and he goes, "Nah, I'm only gonna talk to my guys," you f*ing tell him, "Jim, get your a$$ in there and talk to whole goddamn team."
 
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bwc

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Sort of an odd comment from Franklin:

In the post-game presser, Franklin mentioned that he asked Knowles to talk to the whole team following the loss to Oregon about staying focused and bouncing back, and maintaining the perspective that the true prize is still attainable.

But Franklin said that Knowles only talked to the defense, and not the whole team. Then he said something like, "I don't know why he did that. I don't know why he only talked to the defense."

Uuuuuuuh... aren't you the head coach? Doesn't Jim Knowles work for you? If you want him to talk to the whole team, and he refuses, how does that work? It seems to me if you're in charge and you want your DC to address the entire team, and he goes, "Nah, I'm only gonna talk to my guys," you f*ing tell him, "Jim, get your a$$ in there and talk to whole goddamn team."


The better question is, why is Franklin delegating something like that to his subordinates? And then complaining about it to the media?

Holy lack of accountability and leadership. Speaks to why the team is undisciplined and not mentally tough, just emulating the person in charge.
 
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PSUcup

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Sort of an odd comment from Franklin:

In the post-game presser, Franklin mentioned that he asked Knowles to talk to the whole team following the loss to Oregon about staying focused and bouncing back, and maintaining the perspective that the true prize is still attainable.

But Franklin said that Knowles only talked to the defense, and not the whole team. Then he said something like, "I don't know why he did that. I don't know why he only talked to the defense."

Uuuuuuuh... aren't you the head coach? Doesn't Jim Knowles work for you? If you want him to talk to the whole team, and he refuses, how does that work? It seems to me if you're in charge and you want your DC to address the entire team, and he goes, "Nah, I'm only gonna talk to my guys," you f*ing tell him, "Jim, get your a$$ in there and talk to whole goddamn team."
I don’t think that’s exactly what he said. He said Knowles talked to the defense about it (how last year OSU bounced back from adversity & won it all) and that CJF was then going to ask JK to also speak to the whole team.

it’s not like JK only was willing to talk to the defense and refused CJFs request
 
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Calabrin

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I don’t think that’s exactly what he said. He said Knowles talked to the defense about it (how last year OSU bounced back from adversity & won it all) and that CJF was then going to ask JK to also speak to the whole team.

it’s not like JK only was willing to talk to the defense and refused CJFs request
Could be true. When he brought it up, I said to myself, "Wow. That's weird." But maybe I heard it wrong.
 

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I don’t think that’s exactly what he said. He said Knowles talked to the defense about it (how last year OSU bounced back from adversity & won it all) and that CJF was then going to ask JK to also speak to the whole team.

it’s not like JK only was willing to talk to the defense and refused CJFs request
Correct. The prior poster completely misstated what CJF had said.
 

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I heard a Toto song yesterday and thought of you. They are sooo great right lol
It ROCKS MOOGY


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The tiny D!ck says: "Would Smash! before smashing into underage teenage boys in a totally rad mosh pit while listening to deadly car accidents and cats being killed!"
 
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