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If we were playing Tulane, Memphis, etc this weekend, we'd have....
1. another home night game.
2. a good shot at 6-6 with possibility of 7-5.
3. most likely a 4th straight bowl appearance
4. most likely a chance at a 4th straight winning season

With a loss this weekend, this pretty much all goes away.

I'll be glad to be wrong and we rejoice if we win.
 

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If we were playing Tulane, Memphis, etc this weekend, we'd have....
1. another home night game.
2. a good shot at 6-6 with possibility of 7-5.
3. most likely a 4th straight bowl appearance
4. most likely a chance at a 4th straight winning season

With a loss this weekend, this pretty much all goes away.

I'll be glad to be wrong and we rejoice if we win.

So you are saying 5-7 or 6-6 are the only possibilities this year by saying one win is the difference. Glad to know you have it all figured out. OSU has problems on D as well and we will just have to better than they are. Preseason polls don't mean jack ****
 

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If we were playing Tulane, Memphis, etc this weekend, we'd have....
1. another home night game.
2. a good shot at 6-6 with possibility of 7-5.
3. most likely a 4th straight bowl appearance
4. most likely a chance at a 4th straight winning season

With a loss this weekend, this pretty much all goes away.

I'll be glad to be wrong and we rejoice if we win.

so you think the only way we can ever have a very very mediocre season and a trip to the bbva bowl is to schedule 4 gimme Ws in the non-conference, beat kentucky, and hope our 2nd east opponent is typical vandy or that ole miss or arkansas or auburn or someone else goes into full on melt down mode? nice optimism.

it's year 5 of mullen folks. not year 1 or 2 or 3, but year 5. if we can't at least hang with okie st and/or beat a sec program not in complete meltdown mode, maybe we should bottom out again and move on instead of manipulating the schedule for 6-6 seasons year after year so we can delude ourselves into thinking we are good because we went bowling out of the sec.
 

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I've embraced reality after about 25 years...

of fan observation. Our formula for success, that is, winning seasons = 4 teams we should beat and 3 SEC wins. Playing a top 15 team OOC in the first week is not smart for us. Every 10-15 years we will win 5-6 SEC games. 2010 was a good team that won our best bowl since 1941 and it lost 4 SEC games. We could possibly beat Arkansas, Auburn, UK, OM, but we won't beat all of them. We could upset LSU or Bama, but it's not likely. Road games at SC & aTm will be difficult. Maybe, aTm will meltdown. Hell, last year we started out 7-0 and still couldn't win 5 SEC games. We may beat OSU, perhaps, we'll be awesome, but it's quite a risk to lose this game.
 

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Some of you just don't get 'it'. 7 wins IS good for Mississippi State. Always has been.

If you want better, start buying more tickets and giving more money to the Bulldog Club. That's the only way to close the gap with the SEC powers.
 

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I agree with your premise about playing 4 cadavers, but I still think we win 8 games even if we do lose to the Pokes. I actually predicted that in the prediction threads. This game means very little to our season.
 

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This game very may well keep us from going bowling but it won't be the reason we don't go bowling
 

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This makes no sense. We are trying to build a program, and that takes consistent winning. At least the perception of winning.

Ya'll some stupid mfers.
 

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This game very may well keep us from going bowling but it won't be the reason we don't go bowling

Using this logic, that is EXACTLY what it would be - the reason we don't go bowling.

I just don't get some of you all's mindset. Let's say we are only good enough to be 5-7, or 6-6 if Oklahoma State was replaced by Tulane. Wouldn't you WANT to take the bowl game, instead of a losing season? Do you not WANT the best for MSU? Do you really think the best for MSU is going 5-7 with a loss to Oklahoma State rather than 6-6 with a win over Tulane? I don't know how to lay this out any more straightforward.

Other teams pad their schedules every single year, and nobody says a word. God forbid MISSISSIPPI STATE try and make advantages for itself.
 

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We will blow another game or two so it won't be just the fault I this game. I would take a bowl game every time. However there is nothing wrong with stepping up and playing bcs programs every now and then
 

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We have blown one game in Dan Mullen's tenure....the Egg Bowl last year. Cancel that out with the Egg Bowl 2009. If there's one thing he does well, it is that he beats the teams that he's better than. Our fanbase for some reason just CANNOT appreciate this, even though we've been subjected to numerous losses over the years at the hands of Louisiana Tech, Tulane, Troy, NE Louisiana, Houston, etc.
 

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We blew the auburn game two and three years ago. We blew LSU game year one. We blew double OT vs Arkansas. We stumbled against USC a couple years ago.
 

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Yeeeeeeeah. We weren't better than any of those teams. We were close to SC and Auburn in 2011 but nobody considered those upsets when they won the game.
 

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I didn't say they weren't the better team but certainly we should have won most of them. We all considered the LSU game the reason we didn't go bowling in 07
 

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Or the fact that we played highly ranked Georgia Tech AND highly ranked Houston. Houston I can understand but replace GT with Memphis and we are bowling. That's fact.

We overachieved vs. LSU and lost. That's also a fact. Can say we 'should have' beaten somebody we lost to. But most will concede Memphis/Tulane <<< Georgia Tech/Oklahoma State.

We already have to play an SEC schedule. Why make it harder? I'd rather play the strong OOC opponent in a bowl game. You win some (Michigan/Wake Forest), you lose some (Northwestern) but f*ck it at least we're there.
 
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Posts in this thread just go to show why we can't enjoy nice things. You can't even approach a season opener with optimism. I understand your history of 25 years of Bulldog football has trained you to think this way, but at some point you have to change with the program.

This is similar to the baseball fans freaking out midway through the past year. We haven't played a down of football, haven't thrown a single pass, we're 0-0, and you're already bitching.

The athletic department has relentlessly tried to change the attitude of this program and it's obvious that some like the OP continue to hang on to the old attitude despite some winning ways. Not saying we'll win this weekend, but we're part of a national game in the opening weekend, such as the likes of Alabama, LSU, and South Carolina. Dress like the job you want, not the one you have. And that's kinda what we're doing. If we get trounced, get back with me, but until then, let it play out.
 
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Posts in this thread just go to show why we can't enjoy nice things. You can't even approach a season opener with optimism. I understand your history of 25 years of Bulldog football has trained you to think this way, but at some point you have to change with the program.

This is similar to the baseball fans freaking out midway through the past year. We haven't played a down of football, haven't thrown a single pass, we're 0-0, and you're already bitching.

The athletic department has relentlessly tried to change the attitude of this program and it's obvious that some like the OP continue to hang on to the old attitude despite some winning ways. Not saying we'll win this weekend, but we're part of a national game in the opening weekend, such as the likes of Alabama, LSU, and South Carolina. Dress like the job you want, not the one you have. And that's kinda what we're doing. If we get trounced, get back with me, but until then, let it play out.

I totally agree with this. I have no idea why some of our fans have such a ridiculously bitchy, woe-is-us attitude. So SLU is saying the best we can possibly do this year is 6-6? My God, why don't we just quit now? "Well, we might have had a shot at 7-5 or 6-6 if we weren't playing OSU. Now we probably won't make a bowl game..." Give me a 17'n break. Grow a pair.

The season hasn't even started yet, and some idiots are already giving up on the team. At least give the guys a chance to play the 17'n games. I'm not saying we'll win the damn SEC West or even win on Saturday, but that was one of the whiniest, most defeated posts I've seen in awhile. We at least have a shot going into the game.
 

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Take the names off the teams. If I told you the 13th ranked team in the country, which is year in and year out one of the top passing teams in the country, is playing an unranked team that lost its top two cornerbacks to the NFL draft, that the unranked team lost to every bowl team it played last year, and the game is being played a neutral site, what about that makes you look at the unranked team as having a chance?
 

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We are no longer a bottom feeder so we no longer get bottom feeder OOC scheduling.

Other OOC games for SEC teams that don't suck

Bama vs VTech
LSU vs TCU
UOM vs Texas
Tenn. vs Oregon
UGA vs Clemson
USC vs Clemson
UF vs FSU
UK vs L'Ville

so it looks like 9 of 14 SEC teams have atleast 1 "competitive" OOC game this year. MSU is one of the 9.
 

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We did lose a lot in the secondary but it is not like Okie State is returning the entire roster. Every year we will lose studs at some positions so we should just skip a big game every now and then. OSU lost some of their d line which we have all of our o line returning. How stupid were they to schedule us
 
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Take the names off the teams. If I told you the 13th ranked team in the country, which is year in and year out one of the top passing teams in the country, is playing an unranked team that lost its top two cornerbacks to the NFL draft, that the unranked team lost to every bowl team it played last year, and the game is being played a neutral site, what about that makes you look at the unranked team as having a chance?

You could be describing Tulane under Bowden or Hawaii under June Jones. I'd like our chances against either. Just saying...
 
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Dress like the job you want, not the one you have. And that's kinda what we're doing. If we get trounced, get back with me, but until then, let it play out.

Amen. 17 these guys who are already convinced we're losing 7 games. None of them had Arkansas or Auburn crashing and burning last year. None of them thought Ole Miss would go bowling last year. Maybe we will lose to OSU, but the pissing and moaning before a single snap is beyond pathetic.
 
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Take the names off the teams. If I told you the 13th ranked team in the country, which is year in and year out one of the top passing teams in the country, is playing an unranked team that lost its top two cornerbacks to the NFL draft, that the unranked team lost to every bowl team it played last year, and the game is being played a neutral site, what about that makes you look at the unranked team as having a chance?

My God, is it a bad thing that I think State has a chance to win on Saturday? Is there really something wrong with that?

I'm fine with people being realistic, but I just don't see why some of our fans have completely given up on the first game of the season. This is a game in which we're playing a team with a defense that is supposed to be subpar, and an OL that recently lost it's LT and was already replacing the vast majority of their starters from last year anyway.

Do I think we'll win? No, probably not. That doesn't mean we should just bend over and count the game as an automatic loss. It's not like OSU is as good as Bama or anything. There's no reason we can't at least play with them.
 

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No. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, as are the people who think State is going to lose.
 

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There's also a big difference in people thinking we are going to lose and people who hate this game being played. I think we will lose, but I'm really excited by the fact we are playing this game. We get national exposure playing in this game. If this game causes us to go 5-7, then at 6-6 we would probably be playing Pitt/UCF in the BBCA/Liberty. I personally would rather play OSU first game on the national stage than play in a garbage bowl game that means nothing. I realize that is an unpopular view, but I watch MSU football for excitement. I'm excited about OSU. I would not be excited about the Liberty Bowl. God forbid we actually beat OSU....
 

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sub .500 all-time teams should NOT be compromising guaranteed wins PERIOD. we simply dont have the luxury as we look up at vandy and kentuck...in 100 years...hell, 30 years, nobody will care if we beat a scrub team, but they WILL care if we get our *** blown out to drive the win % further south than it is already when we could have had a near guaranteed win....multiply that many times over season after season and we are flushing wins away for the chance to get fleeting attention.

we are insignificant and the media will never give us our due respect (even in fantastic years), so why bother? playing osu (round 3) doesnt give us respect...it didnt work with oregon, osu (round 1&2), ga tech, or west virginia. thats 7 losses right there to 1 win....throw in byu and houston who was top 25 at the time, resulting in 9 losses to 3 wins. that is an atrocious ROI. 9 losses....think how much closer to .500 we would be had we played tulane, memphis, uab, mid tenn st, jsu, alcorn, blah blah blah.....thats a 18 game swing and those are just ooc teams from recent memory.

win % playing a guaranteed win: 523-540-39 (.4920) 17 wins from breaking even
win % playing ou, osu, ga tech, w va, byu, t25 houston: 514-549-39 (.4835) 35 wins from breaking even

extrapolating that data over a similar period in time would mean that in another decade or so, we would be sniffing an overall winning record.

teams that rank 98th out of 120 schools in win % should NOT be dismissing guaranteed wins. then again, some of yall think its a great idea to run up a huge amount of credit card debt and driving cars you cant afford. the same principle applies here. our mouths are writing checks that our collective asses cant cash...we simply are not at that level yet and we need to live within our means. playing national title contenders or even conference contenders year in and out is NOT living within our means. sure, there has been some bad luck, but we need wins.
 

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Did you watch any 17ing game last year? It doesnt matter who we had playing CB..

Take the names off the teams. If I told you the 13th ranked team in the country, which is year in and year out one of the top passing teams in the country, is playing an unranked team that lost its top two cornerbacks to the NFL draft, that the unranked team lost to every bowl team it played last year, and the game is being played a neutral site, what about that makes you look at the unranked team as having a chance?

They were put in positions to fail. We could have had Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson on each side and we would have gotten torched by those teams. We hardly ever played man coverage with our 2 NFL CB's. So who gives a 17 who we had playing CB, because the talent was wasted either way. Jesus Christ how hard is this to see for some of you? Playing man coverage would have freed up other players, to bring pressure/blitz, thus providing D Line more opportunities to get pressure. The threat of blitzing would create pressure on plays where we show blitz, but drop into coverage, once again providing D Line opportunities to get pressure. We had a bland defensive scheme with a ***** coordinator. Period. When the 5 O Lineman know they're only going to have to block 4 D Lineman, with little threat of a blitz, the defense hardly ever gets pressure. Instead we rely on a **** zone, play reactive on our heels defense, and people cant seem to fathom why the last month of the season happened. We won 8 games because we out talented them. Scheme was covered up by simply being more talented than the opponent. Against an equal or greater talented team, it was exposed. The EB was an anomaly and rival game. We all know how those can end up.

Why are they ranked 13 is my question? What did they do that impressed people so much? They lost basically every game they played an opponent with a decent defense, and those were **** big 12 defenses. They lost key players as well and just lost their starting blind side tackle. To me they may be the 4th best team, at best, in big 12 behind K State, OK, and Texas. Which would probably put them in the 7-9 range if compared to current SEC teams. They aren't better than Bama, USC, UGA, LSU, A&M and Florida for sure. You mean to tell me we can't beat anyone ranked in the middle tier of SEC teams? They would be right in the mix with us in SEC rankings if they were in our conference.

Quit being pussies and rolling over before the players have even gotten on the team buses.
 

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What in the world does all-time record have to do with anything here? Too many people focus on distant history in sports. We were horrendous in the old days. I don't give a crap about getting to even, just as much as Navy being way above .500 means nothing in this day and age and Ole Miss winning a pre-integration national championship means nothing in this day and age. I want to enjoy the present. I like watching us play good teams. I'm much more excited about watching us play OSU than I would be about us playing South Alabama first game. If you want to be stating records, our last 4 years are much more indicative of who we are than our all-time record.
 

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quite simply, my point is that our past shows a history of bad decisions and a decade ago is anything but distant history. we were horrendous in the croom and late jackie years as well, but it didnt stop us from scheduling multiple top 15 teams and consequently getting our teeth kicked-in on national tv in embarrassing fashion. i was relating how if we schedule better, the image of the program will improve over time and everything get a lot easier.

all this comparing msu to the rest of the sec is absurd....we are at the bottom of nearly every quantitative or qualitative list and you are fooling yourself if you think how much we lose does not affect everything in a major way. it shames me to no end that we have a losing record...apparently it doesnt bother you that we continue to make the same mistakes. im more excited about watching us win vs south alabama than having a 10% (that might be generous according to some prognosticators) of beating osu.

said another way, 10 wins vs uab, troy, usa, jsu, mtsu, ball st, memphis, tulane, la tech, ulm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 wins in 10 attempts vs osu, ga tech, west virginia, oregon, clemson, louisville, or whatever myriad of other teams that are out of our league.

honestly, this is going to sound rude, which it probably is but i apologize nonetheless, i dont give a **** what you want to watch....i want to watch us win, as do most of our fans. if the team isnt at a level to provide said wins, we need to scale back. we have been getting our asses handed to us over the last 10-15 years with questionable 4th ooc games and striving for entertainment value/games with sizzle and its hurting the program.

and since you reference our last 4 years, how many wins do we have vs teams that finished in the top 25 in that time period? TWO. so why the 17 are we scheduling top 25 teams when our schedule is already LOADED with them knowing we have such a terrible record against them?

we are not anywhere near an elite team. we should be playing other teams in other conferences that are our level at best, and at worst, we should play teams that are guaranteed wins and not darkhorses to win the national title. once we build upon sustained success (i realize 3 bowl games in a row seems like success, but in the grand scheme of things, you really have to suck to miss a bowl...), mullen is still 29-22. maybe we can talk about playing national title contenders if mullens record is 92-22, but until then, gimme guaranteed wins over highly-publicized flashy games that we lose at a 90% clip. also of note, stricklin was looking for this game.....a one year deal....so its not like this was bad timing where oklahoma state was a nobody that came from nowhere before we decided to take a run at them. they are a perennial top 15 team and have been for some time now. this game is about sizzle, and quite frankly, isnt worth the risk because nobody cares about non big 6 sec teams even if we win and certainly not about the historically worst team in the league.

my mantra is that we must first recognize and correctly identify the problem before any progress can be made. if we argue about what the problem to the point where we fail to address it, we are bound to repeat it. scheduling is a major problem and we are not like the rest of the sec. we must be considerably smarter in our ooc scheduling because we have much smaller margin of error on everything, top to bottom. leave osu to bama or lsu or georgia. give me a win every time. ive never been pissed off at a win....my wife can tell you, after some of our losses, im a difficult man to share a car ride with for 2.5 hours. but hey, at least you were entertained by the marqui names and got to see our bcs bound opponent skull 17 us for 3 hours (90% of the time) in their badass nike uniforms.

sorry for being rude. truly.
 

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What if I told you

Take the names off the teams. If I told you the 13th ranked team in the country, which is year in and year out one of the top passing teams in the country, is playing an unranked team that lost its top two cornerbacks to the NFL draft, that the unranked team lost to every bowl team it played last year, and the game is being played a neutral site, what about that makes you look at the unranked team as having a chance?

The 13th ranked team in the country plays lights out at home and poorly on the road.
The 13th ranked program, then ranked 16th, had their faced handed to them at an unranked Arizona.
The 13th ranked team lost 4 of 5 OL starters from the year before.
The 13th ranked team lost their RB in the mid-round draft. The only one they've produced in recent years.
The 13th ranked team was as terrible at stopping the ball as they were good at moving the ball.
The 13th ranked team is replacing its offensive and defensive coordinators.

The unranked team returns everyone on offense except the wide outs.
The unranked team lost two from secondary to the NFL but still has two nfl draft picks there.
The unranked team replaced a converted cornerback playing safety with a proto-typical safety.
The unranked team changed its pansy defensive strategy - that put every D senior except one in the NFL.
The unranked team has a defense with 8 of 11 players projected to make an NFL camp.
The unranked team has a soph that beat out a Top 15 CB.
 

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Spot on, Atomic.

It's amazing to see the generational changes of MSU fans. My father graduated in the late 60's and he's convinced that MSU Football will lose every "big" game they play in and will struggle to win the ones we "should" - he thinks the Pokes are going to win by 30+. I graduated in the mid 90's and I approach most seasons with guarded optimism - I try not to get too wooly, but I can see us beating OSU. My son is 9 and has been following MSU Football only since the Dan Mullen era - he thinks MSU is the best team in the country and will win every game we play - delusional, yes, but he's lived through some of the best years of Bulldog football.

The fan base needs to change with the program. Finishing last season the way we did may have been the biggest setback in the program since Mullen started. But, people need to realize that this is a new season, a new team, and last year's finish has no bearing on Saturday's game. Our program needs these types of games to garner national attention.

If not now, when?
 
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If we were playing Tulane, Memphis, etc this weekend, we'd have....
1. another home night game.
2. a good shot at 6-6 with possibility of 7-5.
3. most likely a 4th straight bowl appearance
4. most likely a chance at a 4th straight winning season

With a loss this weekend, this pretty much all goes away.

I'll be glad to be wrong and we rejoice if we win.

And I bet most of you complaining are sitting your goofy asses at home this weekend. Grow a pair and stop being such simple people. You get out and play one of these games every few years. If it's the difference in the Gator Bowl and the Music City Bowl or Liberty Bowl, the who really gives a ****.

At this point we need to take the next step, and that next step will NOT be taken playing 4 ****** OOC games every single year. Grow a pair and wake up from your ensure and AARP induced coma and realize its 2013. Not 1993.... *****
 

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The 13th ranked team in the country plays lights out at home and poorly on the road.
The 13th ranked program, then ranked 16th, had their faced handed to them at an unranked Arizona.
The 13th ranked team lost 4 of 5 OL starters from the year before.
The 13th ranked team lost their RB in the mid-round draft. The only one they've produced in recent years.
The 13th ranked team was as terrible at stopping the ball as they were good at moving the ball.
The 13th ranked team is replacing its offensive and defensive coordinators.

The unranked team returns everyone on offense except the wide outs.
The unranked team lost two from secondary to the NFL but still has two nfl draft picks there.
The unranked team replaced a converted cornerback playing safety with a proto-typical safety.
The unranked team changed its pansy defensive strategy - that put every D senior except one in the NFL.
The unranked team has a defense with 8 of 11 players projected to make an NFL camp.
The unranked team has a soph that beat out a Top 15 CB.

Brilliant. Could not agree more. Their D sucked and their O line is not as strong as last years. We control the clock and win this one.
 
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No. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, as are the people who think State is going to lose.

But see, I am one of those people. I said we'd probably lose right at the end of the post, but my entire point is that there is no reason why we can't at least be competitive and have a chance in the game.
 

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And I bet most of you complaining are sitting your goofy asses at home this weekend. Grow a pair and stop being such simple people. You get out and play one of these games every few years. If it's the difference in the Gator Bowl and the Music City Bowl or Liberty Bowl, the who really gives a ****.

At this point we need to take the next step, and that next step will NOT be taken playing 4 ****** OOC games every single year. Grow a pair and wake up from your ensure and AARP induced coma and realize its 2013. Not 1993.... *****

17 yea
 

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Posts in this thread just go to show why we can't enjoy nice things.

We can't have nice things because our fans are morons that are easily suckered into asking things that are bad for our program.

For the foreseeable future, we will have a top 25 schedule hardest schedule, every year, regardless of what we do on defense. We will play a few top 10, if not top 5 teams every year. We will play another few that are in the top 25. We will be lucky to have more than one conference game outside of the top 35 to 40 teams each year. That's harder than all but a handful of teams outside of the SEC. The only reason our SOS ever gets dinged is because for financial reasons, we can't load up on teams in the 40 to 60 range, but instead often dip well below that, when it really doesn't make much of a difference in how easy your schedule is as far as w's and l's.

I'm excited about the OKSt. game, but I'm not dumb enough to think we need this type of OOC matchup to play big boy football. Losing and not going to a bowl game hurts us much more than winning helps us. It's just a bad bet at this point in time when we are still basically building the program.