If we run off Stans, how long do we give the new coach
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Mid-January - Year 1MadDawg said:
Anything longer than that Coach34 will have his *** in a bear trap.
And if he is doing well in conference games or not. If he is in the top 4/5 within the SEC each year and is winning at least 2/3 of his games overall...i say 8 years.
Why not? And hey, if he gets a couple of overall titles in that span, make it longer. We have shown getting to the Sweet16 isnt the be all end all for a coach, so why suddenly change?
Of course to think we will run Stans off is hilarious. As if he reads the boards or gives a **** aboutwhat a minority of the MSU fanbase thinks.
He is like Sergio,orBitch Tits before he finally won a major. Lets just crown him the best coach to never get to the Sweet 16 and call it a day.
Why not? And hey, if he gets a couple of overall titles in that span, make it longer. We have shown getting to the Sweet16 isnt the be all end all for a coach, so why suddenly change?
Of course to think we will run Stans off is hilarious. As if he reads the boards or gives a **** aboutwhat a minority of the MSU fanbase thinks.
He is like Sergio,orBitch Tits before he finally won a major. Lets just crown him the best coach to never get to the Sweet 16 and call it a day.
If we fire Stansbury because he cannot advance us deeper into the postseason, then the new coach needs to do that by year 2 at the latest. I would expect it immediately myself, because by firing Stansbury, MSU is saying my current expectation level of competing for the SEC title and making the NCAA tournament consistently is not where it should be. Every year we keep Stansbury, MSU justifies my expectation level as accurate.
Personally, I think you'd give a new coach forever. He could suck balls for a solid decade, and you wouldn't care, just as long as it isn't Stansbury.
Personally, I think you'd give a new coach forever. He could suck balls for a solid decade, and you wouldn't care, just as long as it isn't Stansbury.
Otherwise, what would have been the point of getting rid of a guy that has done nothing but consistently win? I tell you one thing, if Byrne were to pull the trigger on Stansbury and then we go 14-16 with the new coach there would be a lynch mob outside of his office.
I agree. Since everyone thinks the talent is in place year in and year out for us to be a Sweet 16 team, then I would say by year 2.
And then fire a successful coach, then he should be fired. This isn't Croom or Templeton and coach and his clan are out of their minds.
Jim Boeheim, Jim Calhoun, Dean Smith, Lute Olsen. They all had the postseason choke label at one time or another. I'm not comparing Stans to any of those guys, but it's interesting to note that a lot of elite coaches have been labeled that way in the past.
Same ol same ol. Just go to the extreme situation even if no one ever said it. To really make it look good you need to add a line in there about scheduling Duke, UConn, UNC and Kansas. That is a staple exaggeration that must be used in this thread.
Uhhhh.....yes you are. You listed some coaches. Then you stated how they were similarly labeled to our coach. That is comparing. If you want to insist that it is not, then find some coaches who had that label who aren't elite coaches. I am just curious as to what our expected ceiling might be. And while you are doing it, make sure that they were/are in situations exactly, precisely, identical to Mississippi State, or HD6 will tell you the comparison is invalid.MSUCostanza said:
I don't agree with Coach on everything. I don't disagree with you on everything. About the only person who is never right is Rabid.
yes you were comparing...you were basically saying Stansbury is like all those guys- meaning you feel its just a matter of time before he gets there. But would you really like to compare how long it took those guys to get to a Sweet 16 to how long its taken Stansbury?</p>
Or better yet- find a coach thats "won as much as Stansbury has won" but still unable to advance in the NCAA Tourney?</p>
Or better yet- find a coach thats "won as much as Stansbury has won" but still unable to advance in the NCAA Tourney?</p>
Not sure if this is current, but it gives you an idea. Hmm, a solid ninety. I'd say we've been overachieving under Stansbury.
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf
He's been close a couple of times. How is it so unreasonable to think that the team could make a few more plays in a close second round game and break through?
The new coach should get no more than 2-3 years at most. Then fire him and hire the next guy. I think we could realistically find the coach we want in the next 15-20 years.
has a losing record as a coach in games decided by 6 or less. It doesnt take long watching him to realize in close games he isnt going to get it done. He is also going to have to beat a pretty good team to get to the round of 16- and his record against good teams is not very good either. </p>
All signs point to him not making it</p>
All signs point to him not making it</p>
All those fine coaches that he named and Roy Williams who I named had the label as choker. Every single one of them worked at basketball factories that put out NBA quality talent each and every freaking year. Yet none of them could win the big game.
What did those programs do? Did Syracuse fire Jim Boehiem because he didnt quite meet their expectation level (winning the national championship)? No they didn't he kept putting them in position to reach their expectation level and they stuck it out and eventually broke through with Carmello Anthony.
Stansbury and MSU's highwater expectation level is the sweet 16. Just like Syracuse's is/was the national championship.
You say Stansbury is NEVER going to get us there (there being the sweet 16). The man keeps putting us in position year after year, what is it 7 of the last 9 years?? How do you know it will NEVER happen. Many said Roy Williams, Boeheim, Calhoun, Olson, et al would NEVER win the National Championship either.
Anyway, like it or not C34 D@A F99; Stansbury will be here for as long as he wants as long as he keeps getting us in the tournament. If he were to miss 2 tourneys in a row then he is on the hot seat. If you hate him that much I would recommend you become an LSU fan otherwise you will just have to deal with it.
What did those programs do? Did Syracuse fire Jim Boehiem because he didnt quite meet their expectation level (winning the national championship)? No they didn't he kept putting them in position to reach their expectation level and they stuck it out and eventually broke through with Carmello Anthony.
Stansbury and MSU's highwater expectation level is the sweet 16. Just like Syracuse's is/was the national championship.
You say Stansbury is NEVER going to get us there (there being the sweet 16). The man keeps putting us in position year after year, what is it 7 of the last 9 years?? How do you know it will NEVER happen. Many said Roy Williams, Boeheim, Calhoun, Olson, et al would NEVER win the National Championship either.
Anyway, like it or not C34 D@A F99; Stansbury will be here for as long as he wants as long as he keeps getting us in the tournament. If he were to miss 2 tourneys in a row then he is on the hot seat. If you hate him that much I would recommend you become an LSU fan otherwise you will just have to deal with it.
He said there was "No Chance" that we would win the SEC Tourney too. Maybe C34 throwing "Never" out there is a positive omen.
Coach34 said:
So what is Stansbury's record in games decided by 7 pts or more? Just curious.
You know you are right C34, we could never...ever...ever...beat 2 ranked teams in two days in a tournament. Except for last season for course against UT and LSU.
Note: Don't give me that "we play these teams every year" **** because these SEC teams have all been through multiple coaches and playing styles and they all have continued to lose to Mississippi State.
For the recent future, see.......
Rider
Richmond
WKU
Alabama
And no I didn't expect to be 19-0 right now, but I didn't expect our team of all returning starters to lose to 4 very mediocre teams.
Rider
Richmond
WKU
Alabama
And no I didn't expect to be 19-0 right now, but I didn't expect our team of all returning starters to lose to 4 very mediocre teams.
Stansbury's ability to win in a weak league...neither LSU nor Tennessee's ranked *** made it to the Sweet 16 last season. They just werentreally good teams, altho LSU got unlucky playing Carolina in round 2....Also, its funny how we always seem to get bounced out of the Tourney by that "hot team in March", yet when we enter the Tourney as the "hot team", we get blown out
The 6 points or less was a stat used by statsheet.com...and I think its a good measure to see how coaches do in close games. Brady and Williams, good coaches but hated recruiting, have winning records in close games. Stansbury, known for recruiting but lacks in game coaching sense, struggles to a losing record.
The 6 points or less was a stat used by statsheet.com...and I think its a good measure to see how coaches do in close games. Brady and Williams, good coaches but hated recruiting, have winning records in close games. Stansbury, known for recruiting but lacks in game coaching sense, struggles to a losing record.