If we took the top players from every MS college team
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Alabama high school players are more ready when they come out.
That's why Mullen has to redshirt these guys and keep them 5 years in order to compete. Very few guys come out of the state of MS ready to compete in SEC play. Gonna be tough to overcome that going forward and trying to compete in the SEC. The top SEC schools get the best from all over the country and have college ready talent in their state. We don't recruit nationally and we don't have the high school talent development most of the other states in the SEC do.
That's why Mullen has to redshirt these guys and keep them 5 years in order to compete. Very few guys come out of the state of MS ready to compete in SEC play. Gonna be tough to overcome that going forward and trying to compete in the SEC. The top SEC schools get the best from all over the country and have college ready talent in their state. We don't recruit nationally and we don't have the high school talent development most of the other states in the SEC do.
Hell, the school MS dubs the University got bitched slapped by Bentonville Arkansas and lost to an Alabama school. Then the cream of that MS school crop will go to Alabama and more to OM. State may get one every now and then.
Tough situation.
Tough situation.
How about doing what Oklahoma, Oregon, and others that don't have enough in state talent do...go to where they do have the talent and get them. Bama can only sign 25 like everyone else. Dan is going to have to get out of MS more than we have.
That is cyclical
There have been years in the not too distant past when Mississippi had 3 teams ranked in the top 25. If the players were all on one team it would have been a very talented team. Mississippi (and Louisiana) has the most NFL players per capita so the percentage of players coming from Miss. is very high.
If we had one major university football program, we would lose less of the better players, because Ole Southern MSU would be a National Champion contender and players would stay.
There have been years in the not too distant past when Mississippi had 3 teams ranked in the top 25. If the players were all on one team it would have been a very talented team. Mississippi (and Louisiana) has the most NFL players per capita so the percentage of players coming from Miss. is very high.
If we had one major university football program, we would lose less of the better players, because Ole Southern MSU would be a National Champion contender and players would stay.
THIS....
bama has about a dozen from in-state that contribute... maybe a few more... but we'll pick up 3-4 from CA, TX, GA, FL, MS, LA, TN... etc...
there's not enough talent in ANY state to field a really good team (save FLA, TX, Cali)...
bama has about a dozen from in-state that contribute... maybe a few more... but we'll pick up 3-4 from CA, TX, GA, FL, MS, LA, TN... etc...
there's not enough talent in ANY state to field a really good team (save FLA, TX, Cali)...
No. Good schools redshirt most of their players. Without looking, I bet 17 of Bama's 22 starters were redshirted.
Agree, we have to sprawl the country more, but Oklahoma is a bad comparison. OU is closer to the DFW area and its 6.5 million people than Texas or Texas A&M. OU uses the DFW area much the same way that Auburn uses Atlanta, but DFW is bigger than Atlanta and has more football players. Oregon is able to recruit nationally because of their brand and their brand only.
I often times get frustrated when radio talk show host, i.e. Bo Bounds, or message boarders claim that we should run our program like people who are not the SEC. The SEC is a different animal, and if you put OK State, Boise, Oregon, TCU etc... in the SEC then the way they run their program would not be successful.
We don't have the luxury, at this moment, of branding ourselves to recruit nationally, or going into an area of 6.5 million people that is only 2.5 hours away and closer than all of the in-state schools to get players, or building a program based on an offensive scheme like OK State. Sure, we can do that to be a middle of the road SEC team, but in order to beat Bama and LSU you have to build you program over a number of years until you have the opportunity to recruit nationally and get big physical players.
It doesn't happen over night unless you are Oregon and have Nike backing you. It takes years of building your national profile to the point where you can walk into a living room in FL, TX, or CAL and a have chance at kid. We are on our way, but we just have to continue to win, for a long time.
It's actually much less than that.
I checked through their starting 22. Only 10 redshirted. Out of the other 12, 3 were JUCO. So that's 9 guys that came straight from high school that didn't redshirt that are starting for Bama. If you include JUCO guys, they have more guys in their starting 22 that DIDN'T redshirt. And that doesn't even include guys like Yeldon, Mosley, and a few others who split time and didn't redshirt.
Then if you go back and look at how many of those starting 22 are from the state of Alabama, you get 10 starters and two or 3 that rotate in regularly. Out of those 12-13 guys from Alabama, 5 didn't redshirt. Yeldon, Nico Johnson, Dee Milliner, Vinnie Sunseri, Belue. And every one of those guys will be on an NFL roster by the time they graduate.
Bama gets the top talent every year, which is why they don't have to redshirt everyone. They get kids bigger, faster, and stronger every year, then coach the hell out of them. This is why it's so difficult to beat them. Even with all the experience we had on the field that had redshirted, they had more than half of their starting 22 not redshirt, and they smacked us around.
I checked through their starting 22. Only 10 redshirted. Out of the other 12, 3 were JUCO. So that's 9 guys that came straight from high school that didn't redshirt that are starting for Bama. If you include JUCO guys, they have more guys in their starting 22 that DIDN'T redshirt. And that doesn't even include guys like Yeldon, Mosley, and a few others who split time and didn't redshirt.
Then if you go back and look at how many of those starting 22 are from the state of Alabama, you get 10 starters and two or 3 that rotate in regularly. Out of those 12-13 guys from Alabama, 5 didn't redshirt. Yeldon, Nico Johnson, Dee Milliner, Vinnie Sunseri, Belue. And every one of those guys will be on an NFL roster by the time they graduate.
Bama gets the top talent every year, which is why they don't have to redshirt everyone. They get kids bigger, faster, and stronger every year, then coach the hell out of them. This is why it's so difficult to beat them. Even with all the experience we had on the field that had redshirted, they had more than half of their starting 22 not redshirt, and they smacked us around.
In defense of the high school coaches
We apparently get a lot less time to do two a days than other states- I'm not exactly sure how long we get, so someone can help me out with that.
Also, aside from private schools- our players don't start playing football until the 8th grade. We need to start them sooner. The MHSAA could help us out a lot if they would relax the rules a little bit. The MAIS lets school have teams starting in 4th grade, so I can't call them out on that.
I know some schools like Oak Grove have a connection with the youth rec leagues where they start teaching things at a young age- but there it would still be good if the school allowed our boys to start in the sixth grade.
We apparently get a lot less time to do two a days than other states- I'm not exactly sure how long we get, so someone can help me out with that.
Also, aside from private schools- our players don't start playing football until the 8th grade. We need to start them sooner. The MHSAA could help us out a lot if they would relax the rules a little bit. The MAIS lets school have teams starting in 4th grade, so I can't call them out on that.
I know some schools like Oak Grove have a connection with the youth rec leagues where they start teaching things at a young age- but there it would still be good if the school allowed our boys to start in the sixth grade.