If you are a Governor when you open things back up ?

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Get what money?
Tithe. My moms preacher called her to check on her the other day. Very nice of him. At the end of the call he gave his address and told her she could mail or drop her tithe in his mailbox. Also he is now in the hospital with breathing issues. Not sure if it’s CV or not
 

LadyCaytIL

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if Memorial Day passes and we can't have BBQs I'm going to be very upset.
How upset would you be if 2 of the people you invite get sick and die?

Oh, so you think all these churches were just having out to get money......[jumpingsmile].

Why were liquor stores allowed to be left open then?
So why couldnt every church do an online or drive in church like the good / smart ones did? .. also pastors need money to survive and most dont have other jobs... of course they want money.
 

WildcatFan1982

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but seriously I have a ticket to see Rage Against the Machine in August. I will be pissed if I have to miss that. I don't care if half the crowd dies.
 
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Tithe. My moms preacher called her to check on her the other day. Very nice of him. At the end of the call he gave his address and told her she could mail or drop her tithe in his mailbox. Also he is now in the hospital with breathing issues. Not sure if it’s CV or not
So you thnk all of these churches were only having church to get tithes? Is that what you're saying? Are you also saying this happened to him because he did that?
 
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How upset would you be if 2 of the people you invite get sick and die?

So why couldnt every church do an online or drive in church like the good / smart ones did? .. also pastors need money to survive and most dont have other jobs... of course they want money.
My church has had on line preaching. Had a parking lot service for Easter. However, if others want to do otherwise, it is not something the Governor should use the State Police for. My goodness, you don't see the issue with that?
I don't know of a pastor, and I know many, that were concerned at all about wanting money. You sure seem to have a sweeping generalization of churches and pastors.
 

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So you thnk all of these churches were only having church to get tithes? Is that what you're saying? Are you also saying this happened to him because he did that?
No. But to me churches are just buildings. There is no reason they couldn’t do online services. Some preachers are very arrogant. Where I live there are services held in an old bingo parlor, a community center, a building that was a doctors office, and an old retail store. My point is you can worship anywhere. Trump claims to be a Christian and maybe he is. But does he attend church? Don’t think so. And I’m fine with that.
 

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My church has had on line preaching. Had a parking lot service for Easter. However, if others want to do otherwise, it is not something the Governor should use the State Police for. My goodness, you don't see the issue with that?
I don't know of a pastor, and I know many, that were concerned at all about wanting money. You sure seem to have a sweeping generalization of churches and pastors.
You must go to a big church. Small ones absolutely care about money. I come from a very small town in SE Ky. A few thousand people and probably 30 churches. Why do many? People get pissed off at a church then start their own. My uncle goes to a church that has 7 members. My moms church has 15 or so. Another uncle is catholic and goes to mass on Saturday night and it’s 3-4 people.
 

LadyCaytIL

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My church has had on line preaching. Had a parking lot service for Easter. However, if others want to do otherwise, it is not something the Governor should use the State Police for. My goodness, you don't see the issue with that?
I don't know of a pastor, and I know many, that were concerned at all about wanting money. You sure seem to have a sweeping generalization of churches and pastors.

this is a bad pandemic........ churches dont just risk the congregation but the people they go on to interact with also. I have no problem with police protecting lives......... I do have a problem if they arrest people trying to go to church. put a lock on the church... give fines.... I wouldnt arrest unless the people turn violent.

This is a special occasion where freedom of religion shouldnt be so free. there are safe ways around it....... anyone unwilling to do that might as well be satans servants
 

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FWIW devout Christians want to give money every weekend or at least regularly , so a preacher telling a member where to send it , since the gatherings are closed , makes perfect sense and isnt some greedy " give me my money" proposition .
 

ManitouDan

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In addition I've sent part of my tithe to a suffering friend/family in Cozumel . Works cruise ship passengers for a living .. no cruise ships , no income . Period. So he gets part of weekly tithe directly . I know I know -- terrible hypocrite , I use curse words and drink beer too.
 
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NY and KY suffered their first deaths about the same day. Closed down about the same time as well.
The density certainly would make it worse in NY, but both being on the same timeline is irrelevant. There could have been, and probably was, significantly more cases per capita in NY than KY from the outset.
 

CatsFanGG24

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The density certainly would make it worse in NY, but both being on the same timeline is irrelevant. There could have been, and probably was, significantly more cases per capita in NY than KY from the outset.
No ****.

They were on the same timelines as far as closings - therefore it didn’t take a disaster in NY for KY to see and do something.

And quite a few comparative timelines in these disease charts are as of date of first fatality. So that timeline is important to experts as well tbh.
 

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People who are not "churched" may not understand this but churches have different ways of tithing. Our church does not even pass an offering plate. The only time money is mentioned is when the pastor explains to the congregation how they can give. There is no "begging". There are kiosks in the foyer where you tithe or you can go to the church website and give. No offering plates.

Beshear seemed to single out churches from the beginning of this. Before schools. Before the State Tournament. I don't doubt he's a church goer, but it just seems a little KGB to me to have cops walking around in church parking lots.
 

Ukbrassowtipin

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Beshear seemed to single out churches from the beginning of this. Before schools. Before the State Tournament. I don't doubt he's a church goer, but it just seems a little KGB to me to have cops walking around in church parking lots.
I think Louisville's mayor got exposed as the little tyrant. The judge's letter dropping the smack on him was hilarious. Its not that I care about religion, but Fischer was clearly unconstitutional bc he tried to stop a drive up service with practiced social distancing while saying nothing about anything else.

Also if anyone wants to see a tyrant in all of this, just look at Michigan's governor.

"Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has taken it upon herself to declare what items are and are not “essential,” dictating to grocery stores what they can and cannot sell as part of a sweeping order issued Friday.

Among the nonessential, and therefore banned, items are fruit and vegetable plants and seeds. Never mind that growing fruits and vegetables at home right now would help maintain social distancing during the pandemic, the governor has spoken and her word is law. (Lottery tickets, on the other hand, are still permitted.)
Beyond the fruit and vegetable ban, the governor’s order is an object lesson in the absurdity and inconsistency of arbitrary power and rule by fiat. Michiganders are banned from traveling “between residences” if they own a cottage or a summer home, but the ban only applies to Michigan residents, so an out-of-stater with a cottage in the Upper Peninsula could presumably still visit. The ban also still allows travel between states, so if a Michigander has a cottage in Wisconsin or Ohio, he can travel without fear of being arrested or fined by state police.

Why did Whitmer tailor her order this way? Probably because she knows she has no authority to ban travel between states, or issue orders to Americans generally—no more than a mayor has the authority to shut down drive-in Easter services in his city."
 
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No. But to me churches are just buildings. There is no reason they couldn’t do online services. Some preachers are very arrogant. Where I live there are services held in an old bingo parlor, a community center, a building that was a doctors office, and an old retail store. My point is you can worship anywhere. Trump claims to be a Christian and maybe he is. But does he attend church? Don’t think so. And I’m fine with that.
Maybe to you. To alot of people, it's sacred place. A place they go to worship. I've been to services in places like you say. That's not the issue.
Most of these churches, especially in small towns or rural areas mean a lot more than just a building. They have been built by the people using their own money, time, and sweat. Been there for generations. It holds a special place in their heart.
 
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I know, far be it from the media to blame all of this on Trump.....amirite?

They begged him to shut the country down.....he did

Now he is talking of opening it back up.....you can't do that you have no right....clowns

They were more upset over him calling the Chinese virus....they are the problem
Trump actually doesn’t have the Constitutional authority to open or close states. He can make recommendations, he can’t force it though. Not an opinion, just a legal fact.
 

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You must go to a big church. Small ones absolutely care about money. I come from a very small town in SE Ky. A few thousand people and probably 30 churches. Why do many? People get pissed off at a church then start their own. My uncle goes to a church that has 7 members. My moms church has 15 or so. Another uncle is catholic and goes to mass on Saturday night and it’s 3-4 people.
No, not a big church. Believe it or not, some people actually care abut worshipping and fellowshipping. Money is never the issue or the reason. Not everybody's experience is like yours.
 
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We were told by our Governors that we were Sheltering-in-Place to flatten the curve. Well, the curve is flattening. And once it has flattened, then they should open back up the economy (with restrictions of course). Otherwise, they were lying to us the whole time and there was a bigger agenda than just “flatten the curve”.
Well if you open up everything, even with restrictions, once the curve has just started to flatten then the number of cases and deaths are very likely just going to go up again. It doesn’t just magically stay on the same trajectory by producing conditions that are conducive to the virus.
 

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this is a bad pandemic........ churches dont just risk the congregation but the people they go on to interact with also. I have no problem with police protecting lives......... I do have a problem if they arrest people trying to go to church. put a lock on the church... give fines.... I wouldnt arrest unless the people turn violent.

This is a special occasion where freedom of religion shouldnt be so free. there are safe ways around it....... anyone unwilling to do that might as well be satans servants
We'll see if you're so strong about it when it comes around the other way. When it's something you believe strongly in. I am not for putting anyone at risk. But liquor stores have not shut down or told they can't have customers. The one close to my house has lines way around the building out into the road. This is an essential business?
 

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The problem in NYC is the Mayor there. Completely unprepared and unable to take care of his city. He was seen on live TV a few weeks before telling people it's not that big of a deal and anyone under 50 would be safe. For people to still go out and live their normal lives. How completely irresponsible? He should be held accountable for his actions and words. Yet nary a thing.
We do have all of these so called "reporters" blaming all of this on Trump. The Mayor of NYC should be impeached out of office for incompetence.
Our media is completely useless and untrustworthy.
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No, not a big church. Believe it or not, some people actually care abut worshipping and fellowshipping. Money is never the issue or the reason. Not everybody's experience is like yours.
Preachers at small churches usually have jobs. They don’t depend on tithes to pay their salary. I have been on the finance committee of 2 churches. Both with congregations under 100. Both places it was the preachers full time job. Both places had money problems.
 

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We'll see if you're so strong about it when it comes around the other way. When it's something you believe strongly in. I am not for putting anyone at risk. But liquor stores have not shut down or told they can't have customers. The one close to my house has lines way around the building out into the road. This is an essential business?
No they are not. I haven’t had a drink in 10 years so I don’t care about alcohol. But if they closed liquor stores it would be a bigger deal to the public than asking churches to go online.
 

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Trump actually doesn’t have the Constitutional authority to open or close states. He can make recommendations, he can’t force it though. Not an opinion, just a legal fact.
I am not a legal scholar but I'd say you're right. His admin made recommendations to the states. Each state has decided how and what they want to do in this case.
Each has handled their state in dfferent ways.
 
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if you open it up too soon, it will no longer be a flattening... but instead curving back upwards with new spike in cases. They want to be on the declining end before they risk things.
And on the decline for a sustained period of time. What that period is would be up to the medical professionals to determine. Every state is different.
 

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No they are not. I haven’t had a drink in 10 years so I don’t care about alcohol. But if they closed liquor stores it would be a bigger deal to the public than asking churches to go online.
True, it's why I think this Governor is a fail. He gave into the large contingent in this state of distilleries. His first inclination was to close churhces. Has yet to touch the liquor industry that I'm aware of. Hypocritical.
 
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I believe Trump baneed travel from China in January. Blasio was seen on TV in Feb making his claims that I stated earlier. There were no cases in the virus in the US until mid January. I would say that's a fairly quick response.
No confirmed cases in the USA that is. Without a doubt there were cases of this in the USA back in at least December if not earlier.
 

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Preachers at small churches usually have jobs. They don’t depend on tithes to pay their salary. I have been on the finance committee of 2 churches. Both with congregations under 100. Both places it was the preachers full time job. Both places had money problems.
Like I said, not everybody's experience is like yours. No church I know of or go to, has been doing anything to just get tithes from people.
 

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As did all news outlets and so called journalists who are now blaming all of this on Trump and called it the Wuhan virus of which they turned right around and called Trump racist for saying it came from China. Spare me.
 
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I think Louisville's mayor got exposed as the little tyrant. The judge's letter dropping the smack on him was hilarious. Its not that I care about religion, but Fischer was clearly unconstitutional bc he tried to stop a drive up service with practiced social distancing while saying nothing about anything else.

Also if anyone wants to see a tyrant in all of this, just look at Michigan's governor.

"Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has taken it upon herself to declare what items are and are not “essential,” dictating to grocery stores what they can and cannot sell as part of a sweeping order issued Friday.

Among the nonessential, and therefore banned, items are fruit and vegetable plants and seeds. Never mind that growing fruits and vegetables at home right now would help maintain social distancing during the pandemic, the governor has spoken and her word is law. (Lottery tickets, on the other hand, are still permitted.)
Beyond the fruit and vegetable ban, the governor’s order is an object lesson in the absurdity and inconsistency of arbitrary power and rule by fiat. Michiganders are banned from traveling “between residences” if they own a cottage or a summer home, but the ban only applies to Michigan residents, so an out-of-stater with a cottage in the Upper Peninsula could presumably still visit. The ban also still allows travel between states, so if a Michigander has a cottage in Wisconsin or Ohio, he can travel without fear of being arrested or fined by state police.

Why did Whitmer tailor her order this way? Probably because she knows she has no authority to ban travel between states, or issue orders to Americans generally—no more than a mayor has the authority to shut down drive-in Easter services in his city."
Governors don’t have the power to control interstate commerce. Once it crosses state lines then it goes to the federal level.
 
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Maybe to you. To alot of people, it's sacred place. A place they go to worship. I've been to services in places like you say. That's not the issue.
Most of these churches, especially in small towns or rural areas mean a lot more than just a building. They have been built by the people using their own money, time, and sweat. Been there for generations. It holds a special place in their heart.
Why can’t you do the same worshipping at home that you can do at a church? You worship God and God can be worshipped from anywhere.
 

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True, it's why I think this Governor is a fail. He gave into the large contingent in this state of distilleries. His first inclination was to close churhces. Has yet to touch the liquor industry that I'm aware of. Hypocritical.
Well you can’t drink on line. But you can worship on line. Like I said I don’t care about liquor stores.
 
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True, it's why I think this Governor is a fail. He gave into the large contingent in this state of distilleries. His first inclination was to close churhces. Has yet to touch the liquor industry that I'm aware of. Hypocritical.
Prevent people from getting their alcohol and then you’ll have people going to the hospitals seeking care for their withdrawal symptoms, which is one of the last thing the hospitals should have to be concerned with at this point.