If you are a Governor when you open things back up ?

The-Hack

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I'll propose a middle ground for you and the Hack. How about, let's open the liquor stores AND the churches. And, for that matter, the restaurants and bars. Etc, etc. Forthwith.

It could be done with distancing between families.

Tomorrow, I make my first court appearance by Skype. It is a first in my County to try a full (non-emergency) docket by tech. If it works well, we could do it for months and limit an amazing amount of social contact, likely on a par with normal church services.

There will have to be common sense in all of this.
 
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The-Hack

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So when Trump talks to the Kentucky governor about whether he is prepared or not, the KY governor will have to check with Ohio and Indiana. Is that what is going on?

I hope regional concerns are addressed.

I’d like to think of Kentucky as an island to itself, but I-75 and I-65 say otherwise.

The northeast is facing a different threat than the upper-South/lower mid-west, and California, Nebraska and Canada are all different from the others.
 

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I hope regional concerns are addressed.

I’d like to think of Kentucky as an island to itself, but I-75 and I-65 say otherwise.

The northeast is facing a different threat than the upper-South/lower mid-west, and California, Nebraska and Canada are all different from the others.
I would imagine most of KY can get back to work. Most of our state will open soon. I live in an agriculture centered area and life has not changed that much.. The beaches are reopening

One thing for sure our football teams will be ready to go.
 

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I think ending the school year is wise.

I have said we’re starting most things back up, May 1-15, since the beginning, and still see that as the tipping point.

Some things will never be the same. Invasion of “personal space” and “close talking” will be as frowned upon as a loud fart at a crowded function.
 

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I'll propose a middle ground for you and the Hack. How about, let's open the liquor stores AND the churches. And, for that matter, the restaurants and bars. Etc, etc. Forthwith.
I don't mean to sound like I am bashing anyone or what people like to do. I just want it to be equal among the people.
I do think things will have to begin to move forward.
 
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Ky is lagging terribly in testing and has a high death pct. I think our numbers are going to go way up in the next few weeks as testing increases(if it does)versus down. We might have mitigated early enough but we sure as hell didn’t ramp up testing quick enough, imo.

I think Beshear keeps us “closed” longer than you think.
On the “bright” side, the more testing that is done, the lower the death rate becomes.
 
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Going to depend on the data curve of cases. If the trend has consistently been going down, then you can start to open things up slowly. If you go too soon, could you have relapse and it’s back to square one. Will be a highly critiqued decision.
Definitely a decision that has very little upside politically unless it’s like grand slam successful. If it’s even the least bit wrong then everyone is going to ream them for it.
 
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The-Hack

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No, because they still have access. If you have access then you don’t go through withdrawal. This isn’t a complicated concept.

Yes.

Again, folks must have never had an alcoholic neighbor, friend or family member.

There are 11 to 15 million folks addicted to alcohol in the US. Not what I want, but it’s what we all have. Should they not get alcohol, a condition called “delirium tremens” can hit within a few days, requiring significant hospitalizations:

“DTs is considered a medical emergency. Untreated DTs has a death rate of 37%, making early recognition and treatment essential.4 Owing to the harmful risks associated with the symptoms of DTs, vital signs should be continuously monitored during treatment.5 Due to the extreme agitation among patients with withdrawal delirium and the high potential for fatal outcomes, DTs should be managed in a locked inpatient ward or the intensive care unit.”

Again, we don’t want a million alcoholics in our ICU beds when Covid patients might need them.

And for any who say “screw the alcoholics,” some of the most productive, hardest working, and youngest folks I know (and that you know) are alcoholics.

My Dad was a State Trooper in the 1950’s. He rode for a while with another trooper for whom he had great respect. The other guy brought a Thermos bottle to post, every day. It was straight vodka. My Dad never saw him drunk, or act unusual, although he drank a lot of straight vodka every day.

This is why liquor stores cannot be shut down. Even if you give nary a **** for the millions of alcoholics among us, the consequences of a sudden cut off of alcohol would overwhelm the medical community within 6 days.
 

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Yes.

Again, folks must have never had an alcoholic neighbor, friend or family member.

There are 11 to 15 million folks addicted to alcohol in the US. Not what I want, but it’s what we all have. Should they not get alcohol, a condition called “delirium tremens” can hit within a few days, requiring significant hospitalizations:

“DTs is considered a medical emergency. Untreated DTs has a death rate of 37%, making early recognition and treatment essential.4 Owing to the harmful risks associated with the symptoms of DTs, vital signs should be continuously monitored during treatment.5 Due to the extreme agitation among patients with withdrawal delirium and the high potential for fatal outcomes, DTs should be managed in a locked inpatient ward or the intensive care unit.”

Again, we don’t want a million alcoholics in our ICU beds when Covid patients might need them.

And for any who say “screw the alcoholics,” some of the most productive, hardest working, and youngest folks I know (and that you know) are alcoholics.

My Dad was a State Trooper in the 1950’s. He rode for a while with another trooper for whom he had great respect. The other guy brought a Thermos bottle to post, every day. It was straight vodka. My Dad never saw him drunk, or act unusual, although he drank a lot of straight vodka every day.

This is why liquor stores cannot be shut down. Even if you give nary a **** for the millions of alcoholics among us, the consequences of a sudden cut off of alcohol would overwhelm the medical community within 6 days.
Pennsylvania did shut down liquor stores, yet ANOTHER example of nannies gone wild in post-Constitutional America; however, it appears that certain retailers, which are not closed, as well as restaurants and bars (take out service only), are still able to provide.
 
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The-Hack

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So you think the achoholics and drug addicts have been doing their thing responsibly during all this?

In my home county, they are all keeping to themselves, and a very low profile.

They might typically be drunk or stoned, but instead of being surrounded by empty houses during “work hours,” they are now surrounded by neighbors and law enforcement who keep a close eye on them.

Kudos to our law enforcement: they are keeping a high profile and lighting up the night on our highways. Not writing tickets for the expired plates or licenses, but sending the message where it needs to go.
 

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Dude, I grew up in dry counties, never stopped them.....ever... or their suppliers.

Shine’s still running in my home town!

Picked up two quarts from a friend a week, ago. Hand disinfectant, don’t ya’ know!!

But I’d have some fear for our suburbanite friends who have lived in areas where it is legal, were the legal source to be shut off.
 
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Shine’s still running in my home town!

Picked up two quarts from a friend a week, ago. Hand disinfectant, don’t ya’ know!!

But I’d have some fear for our suburbanite friends who have lived in areas where it is legal, were the legal source to be shut off.
My grandpa ran it in his younger days......mountain folks will survive......and prosper.....[winking]
 
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The-Hack

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My grandpa ran it in his younger days......mountain folks will survive......and prosper.....[winking]

My county isn’t quite in the mountains, but we can see some! Eighty percent of our folk run family back to Harlan, Bell, Laurel, etc. We’re just enough Bluegrass to run cattle, but love some of the Old Ways.
 

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My county isn’t quite in the mountains, but we can see some! Eighty percent of our folk run family back to Harlan, Bell, Laurel, etc. We’re just enough Bluegrass to run cattle, but love some of the Old Ways.
Proud Harlan countian here....grew up there until I went to work for Uncle Sam as a youngin'
 

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Is your name an ode to Ledford or are you from Cawood?
Well, it's neither, but I didn't realize it actually until I picked it that it might be looked at that way, but I am from near Cawood. I'm from Harlan county.
But I am glad now that I picked it, I truly loved to hear Cawood growing up. Me and my Dad would listen to him.
 
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Was Cawood from Harlan?
Yes. Born there. Moved back there for a while after he retired to be close to his mom. After she passed he moved maybe back to Lexington. Not sure about that last part. My aunt worked at the clinic and when he came in with his mom she said people would treat him like he had been there his whole life.
 
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The-Hack

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Yes. Born there. Moved back there for a while after he retired to be close to his mom. After she passed he moved maybe back to Lexington. Not sure about that last part. My aunt worked at the clinic and when he came in with his mom she said people would treat him like he had been there his whole life.

Forty years ago, Cawood admitted adopting something close to a midwestern accent for broadcast purposes and spoke a few words in his original mountain accent. His original was somewhere between Grady Stumbo and Governor Combs.
 

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I have no religion but you've got to understand why they're closed. I single church gathering has the potential to ravish a community. You have to think about other people besides yourself. I ******* hate cliches like we're in this together but we are. The first 11 people in my county that were confirmed were from one church gathering.

I 100% believe people should be able to practice their religion freely at church but this is about EVERYONE'S health outside the gathering as it is inside.

I found my best friend dead and we couldn't have a proper viewing or funeral. I absolutely hate this because turnout for his funeral would've been massive. But nope, 10 immediate family members which I barely was able to go. As tragic as it is, it's for the greater good. All of us have to adjust and it's hard.

Edit- As someone who works at a hospital, if liquor stores were closed it would put a MASSIVE strain on the healthcare system, such is the last thing we need.
 
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Cawood86_rivals

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Born in Benham raised in Cumberland. Listened to Cawood many a night.
I'm 52. So if you're close to that age, I'm sure we crossed paths somewhere, on the field or on the court or elsewhere. Good to find another good 'ol mountain boy on here.
 

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Our revised national anthem is going to sound weird.

For the land of the free...unless people are sick, and the home of the brave
 

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Was talking to some friends of mine about stuff like this in Michigan a few days ago. People are gonna start rebelling against this shutdown. Governors like this one who has went to extremes imo, are going to have civil unrest if they don't begin to move forward instead of limiting more of people's movements and freedom.
 
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I work at a hotel in Louisville one day a week for the discount. I've been furloughed for a month. It has been operating with a staff of 5 people since then. My boss just called me and said he is bringing the entire staff back starting this weekend. No idea how this is gonna work but here we go
 
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