If you are a Governor when you open things back up ?

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51% of KY deaths from long term care facilities.

116/4,500,000 -0.0025% of the KY general public.

119/703 (17%) care residents have passed.

116/3836 (3%) non long term care.

1005/4539 (22%) of cases from long term care residents and workers[/QUOTE]
 

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There are people hoping the states that are opening up and being sensible will fail, just because they don't like Trump. They don't care that people are suffering losses of jobs, homes, and businesses. It's a divide in our country.
The media has played a huge part in this. They peddled fear and blame. They are as complicit in the divide more than anyone else imo. Governors and Mayors are threatening people. People are being arrested. All in the name of control and using this virus for an excuse to hurt a duly elected President and to try win an election that is coming up.
They are already pushing mail in voting. Fear mongering to scare people from getting out to vote. Imagine the corruption that will happen if mail in voting is allowed or forced en masse. They're pushing this and the election is over 6 months away.


Excellent post !
 

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Solid read on the topic by a highly educated MD -- Mayo Clinic guy : (. Why isn't good news about how wrong we were about the mortality of this virus CELEBRATED ?).

http://jillrommel.com/2020/04/26/du...xn9TGdiV9Bh8GbAw9pbNIxck-q9gKDOdCYWqpkW6qopxc

Why isn’t it celebrated? 1) almost everybody is ashamed to admit how wrong we all were, and 2) this is the last chance to pin something on Trump after the Russia and Ukraine hoaxes. No way it’s ever spun as anything but a negative.
 

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Why isn’t it celebrated? 1) almost everybody is ashamed to admit how wrong we all were, and 2) this is the last chance to pin something on Trump after the Russia and Ukraine hoaxes. No way it’s ever spun as anything but a negative.

you don’t think the think we have done have caused the number to be low and the deaths to be low?
 

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Today when our governor announced we were going into Phase I he gave solid reasons why. He broke it down to Fear vs. Facts . This thing was so misstated it is almost criminal. History will judge our shutting down the best economy in world history as foolish.

Our country has acted on fear. Not scientific facts. Some poor states are being controlled
 

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Solid read on the topic by a highly educated MD -- Mayo Clinic guy : (. Why isn't good news about how wrong we were about the mortality of this virus CELEBRATED ?).

http://jillrommel.com/2020/04/26/du...xn9TGdiV9Bh8GbAw9pbNIxck-q9gKDOdCYWqpkW6qopxc
Because the vast majority of the Left (particularly the MSM), and, sadly, a sizable minority of the Right (mostly hypochondriacs or Book of Revelation doom prophets) are firmly on Team Virus. For example they were ecstatic at inaccurate reports that there are re-infections in South Korea and frustrated when the reports are debunked.
 

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you don’t think the think we have done have caused the number to be low and the deaths to be low?

Yes but nowhere in the media is any credit being given to the POTUS. It’s pretty clear that Cuomo and De Blasio bear a lot of guilt if we’re going to be actually assigning blame.

I don’t see how anybody can be blamed
for even one death.
 

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Yes but nowhere in the media is any credit being given to the POTUS. It’s pretty clear that Cuomo and De Blasio bear a lot of guilt if we’re going to be actually assigning blame.

I don’t see how anybody can be blamed
for even one death.
Trump downplayed it. He did. He hoped it would just peter out. He said so. He didn’t take it serious. He wants to be a tv president. He should have just been on west wing. There are tons of blame to go around. This was a once a century thing. No one know exactly how to handle it. But as potus he has to take everything serious. He anger watched tv all morning and has such thin skin he can’t function.
 

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Today when our governor announced we were going into Phase I he gave solid reasons why. He broke it down to Fear vs. Facts . This thing was so misstated it is almost criminal. History will judge our shutting down the best economy in world history as foolish.

Our country has acted on fear. Not scientific facts. Some poor states are being controlled
Your governor is purposely not reporting numbers. He is a puppet for mr trump.
 

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Trump downplayed it. He did. He hoped it would just peter out. He said so. He didn’t take it serious. He wants to be a tv president. He should have just been on west wing. There are tons of blame to go around. This was a once a century thing. No one know exactly how to handle it. But as potus he has to take everything serious. He anger watched tv all morning and has such thin skin he can’t function.

Please stop...you are digging a hole you can't get out of.
 
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Some people, older folks and poor health, probably will wear them. Some company is going to make better more comfortable masks and make a killing. I think it’s all personal choice going forward.
I’ll be more specific. The question I’m asking isn’t, “Will older people keep wearing masks,” or “Will a company make more comfortable masks,” or “Will it be a person’s choice to wear masks?”

The question is, if Beshear (or any other leader with the power to dictate/influence public policy) truly believes that mandating citizens wear masks in public will reduce the number of deaths related to COVID-19 infections, why stop there? All respiratory viral infections have the potential to spiral into deadly complications. There’s nothing inherently special about a death from COVID vs flu vs SARS vs MERS. If leaders are willing to minimize deaths by COVID by mandating masks, they should be willing to minimize deaths by the flu (to use a common example) — because we absolutely know for the flu will continue to kill people year after year. Doesn’t Andy care about potential flu victims and their loved ones? Again, why stop at COVID as regards potentially deadly respiratory viruses?
 
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I agree with Mavs premise. Been saying the whole time, "are we going to start running a scoreboard on all deaths moving forward?" Not to diminish the issue but this isn't something we've ever done. Most of us are learning about it as we go with no context.

Love to start with opioids and obesity, just throw our full resources at them. Running worldometer, hourly news conferences, political bickering, click bait scare tactics, etc. The works.
 
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This is the most "2020" thread of all time the last page or so.

The rush to "blame" somebody is so stupid. On both sides.
On one side you have people who want to blame trump for everything. On the other you have folks who want to defend Trump no matter what he does.

The reality is this...

There isn't a reasonable person on planet earth who thinks the United States should have closed down any earlier than we did. Not one. The WHO, Fauci, Birx, Biden... etc... NOBODY said the USA should close down. Even when Italy shutdown NOBODY said we should.

The judgement of success was ALWAYS whether or not we could control the spread enough to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed/run out of supplies. We were unprepared for this. But so was everybody else in the world. S. Korea is about the only country who can claim that they stopped the virus but they have even suffered an awful economic consequence.

Does Trump get an a+ for his handling of this? No. Does he get a F? no. He probably gets a b or b-.

On the flip side, with the media slobbering all over andy most think he deserves and A+. Wrong. He screwed up testing in our state worse than almost any other state in the country. His administration didn't take any special steps to test workers at nursing homes and their delivery of unemployment benefits has been embarrassing.

Andy gets a c.

But at the end of the day, all things considered every governor and the president gets a "passing grade". Even Cuomo. NYC was always at the highest risk of almost anywhere in the world of having a terrible outbreak of this and they kept hospitals from being overrun.

I'm sure people from both sides will attack this post. If you ask me, that means i'm right if both sides think i'm wrong.
 

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I agree with Mavs premise. Been saying the whole time, "are we going to start running a scoreboard on all deaths moving forward?" Not to diminish the issue but this isn't something we've ever done. Most of us are learning about it as we go with no context.

Love to start with opioids and obesity, just throw our full resources at them. Running worldometer, hourly news conferences, political bickering, click bait scar tactics, etc. The works.


We could stop all car wrecks by preventing anyone from driving. If COVID freak out is the “new normal”, fast forward 15 years, are any of us allowed to drive ourselves or will we only be allowed to travel in self driving automobiles.
 

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Believe we just green lit(light, lighted?) cars being able to talk to each other last week. TS. Can't find the source right now.
 

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On the flip side, with the media slobbering all over andy most think he deserves and A+. Wrong. He screwed up testing in our state worse than almost any other state in the country. His administration didn't take any special steps to test workers at nursing homes and their delivery of unemployment benefits has been embarrassing.

Andy gets a c.

Beshear is a D at best. His failure at testing and inability and/or refusal to work with local municipalities has put the state even further behind in regards to the economic recovery. Many cities, inc. Lexington, have been ready to open for a week or more. His authoritarian demeanor drove people into their homes and in complete fear of the outside world. We all know people like this. His overreach on the constitution was also a negative.

The final straw was pushing back restaurants into phase 2, as this will completely crush that industry in KY, especially in small towns...and he had to make the ludicrous comment about eating w/ a mask on. I have no doubt he cares about the people, but he is way in over his head in dealing with this mess.
 

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I agree with Mavs premise. Been saying the whole time, "are we going to start running a scoreboard on all deaths moving forward?" Not to diminish the issue but this isn't something we've ever done. Most of us are learning about it as we go with no context.

Love to start with opioids and obesity, just throw our full resources at them. Running worldometer, hourly news conferences, political bickering, click bait scare tactics, etc. The works.
Exactly. If you keep pulling the string, where do you eventually draw the line and stop pulling?
 
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All the governors are graded on a curve on the shutdown, because they were all doing the same things. The real grade will be how they deal with allowing people to get back to work.

Currently DeWine and Beshear are operating at failing grades, and we just have to hope the judiciaries and legislatures will step in to provide some much needed schooling.
 

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I know NYC is bad, but did it ever get to the point where the field hospitals and the giant boat were even needed? I thought I had read, they're good...not needed and we have plenty of ventilators. Cuomo gets a D-. That guy can go f*ck himself. And I hope his dumbass brother does die of the COVID.
 

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All the governors are graded on a curve on the shutdown, because they were all doing the same things. The real grade will be how they deal with allowing people to get back to work.

Currently DeWine and Beshear are operating at failing grades, and we just have to hope the judiciaries and legislatures will step in to provide some much needed schooling.

Wrong. Bill Lee in Tennessee was building a testing infrastructure designed to help them trace test when they open. The governors who were resourceful and problem solvers figured testing out. The one's who aren't, didn't. Andy didn't, bill did. Rarely are things very simple, but in the case of testing from state to state it's easy to see which states had problem solving leaders and which didn't. And that's not partisan.
 
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I know NYC is bad, but did it ever get to the point where the field hospitals and the giant boat were even needed? I thought I had read, they're good...not needed and we have plenty of ventilators. Cuomo gets a D-. That guy can go f*ck himself. And I hope his dumbass brother does die of the COVID.

You need help
 

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What a total circus this whole thing has been. The lasting image for me will be the wood blocks and chains over basketball goals. I personally haven't changed a single thing in my personal routine and I feel more vindicated each day. Its unfortunate for the people in the high risk categories, but the overwhelming majority of us have been, and will be, completely fine.
 
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All the governors are graded on a curve on the shutdown, because they were all doing the same things. The real grade will be how they deal with allowing people to get back to work.

Currently DeWine and Beshear are operating at failing grades, and we just have to hope the judiciaries and legislatures will step in to provide some much needed schooling.
Kristi Noem of South Dakota deserves an A+.
 

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Wrong. Bill Lee in Tennessee was building a testing infrastructure designed to help them trace test when they open. The governors who were resourceful and problem solvers figured testing out. The one's who aren't, didn't. Andy didn't, bill did. Rarely are things very simple, but in the case of testing from state to state it's easy to see which states had problem solving leaders and which didn't. And that's not partisan.
Tennessee's handling of this has put us to shame.
 

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What a total circus this whole thing has been. The lasting image for me will be the wood blocks and chains over basketball goals. I personally haven't changed a single thing in my personal routine and I feel more vindicated each day. Its unfortunate for the people in the high risk categories, but the overwhelming majority of us have been, and will be, completely fine.
You are fine because other people did change. Don’t pat yourself on the back for being selfish.
 

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I know NYC is bad, but did it ever get to the point where the field hospitals and the giant boat were even needed? I thought I had read, they're good...not needed and we have plenty of ventilators. Cuomo gets a D-. That guy can go f*ck himself. And I hope his dumbass brother does die of the COVID.
I’m glad they didn’t need them. But they were there is they did. It’s called being prepared.
 

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Beshear is a D at best. His failure at testing and inability and/or refusal to work with local municipalities has put the state even further behind in regards to the economic recovery. Many cities, inc. Lexington, have been ready to open for a week or more. His authoritarian demeanor drove people into their homes and in complete fear of the outside world. We all know people like this. His overreach on the constitution was also a negative.

The final straw was pushing back restaurants into phase 2, as this will completely crush that industry in KY, especially in small towns...and he had to make the ludicrous comment about eating w/ a mask on. I have no doubt he cares about the people, but he is way in over his head in dealing with this mess.
Restaurants didn’t want to open at 25% capacity. If you think people stayed home go to a park or Walmart. He gets a B+. Trump a C-
 

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Yep, give all your freedoms to Big Daddy Govt and he will save your life!

They're gonna use this tactic to ram their green agenda up our asses. You can bet on that.
 
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Yep, give all your freedoms to Big Daddy Govt and he will save your life!

They're gonna use this tactic to ram their green agenda up our asses. You can bet on that.
All they're seeing is how easily people today go along willingly with having things taken from them without seriously questioning it and pushing back.

Wake the **** up America.
 

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I don't live in the same world I did. And the changes are for the worse.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...-killer-so-he-wouldnt-get-wuhan-virus-n386043

The Green River Killer was almost released.

But a mom pushing a kid on a swing goes to jail.
Domestic violence rates have seen a sharp spike. Not really preventable and sadly, predictable, with something like this. Meanwhile law enforcement is tasked with patroking parks and playgrounds to ensure kids arent playing on the jungle jim or using the swings. What a total ******* joke.

Does Andy believe come May 11 when I go for a run or go ride my bike Im going to do it wearing a mask. Get the **** out of here with that nonsense.
 
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They didn't have to open at 25%. That was just another # Andy pulled out of his *** like everything else he has done.
This 25% capacity type **** is one but example of the arbitrary-ness that pisses me off. If 25% capacity is good, would 12.5% capacity be twice as good? If not, why not? If 6 feet is good enough for social distancing, would extending it to 7 feet result in 17% fewer deaths? Don’t our betters want to save 17% more lives? Why are (eventually) gatherings of 10 acceptable, but 11 is “bad”?

Multiple “leaders” (governors, mayors, doctors, advisers, etc...) continuously throw out ******** numbers as if God Himself had carved them into granite tablets, and then change them on a whim, and it’s infuriating.
 

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This 25% capacity type **** is one but example of the arbitrary-ness that pisses me off. If 25% capacity is good, would 12.5% capacity be twice as good? If not, why not? If 6 feet is good enough for social distancing, would extending it to 7 feet result in 17% fewer deaths? Don’t our betters want to save 17% more lives? Why are (eventually) gatherings of 10 acceptable, but 11 is “bad”?

Multiple “leaders” (governors, mayors, doctors, advisers, etc...) continuously throw out ******** numbers as if God Himself had carved them into granite tablets, and then change them on a whim, and it’s infuriating.
I bet you are fun to hang with.