If you go overseas, brush up on the quoran.

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Reports that you were let go if you could recite the Quran. Seek out the infidel and kill him. nothing wrong with that.
 

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How many of you have read the Qu'ran? I haven't but I'll read it this weekend and I challenge anyone that hasn't read it to do the same.
 

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Reports that you were let go if you could recite the Quran. Seek out the infidel and kill him. nothing wrong with that.
Before I'm gunned down in some sleazy third world hotel, I'd just like to know to properly spell the name of the book. is it Koran, Quran, Qu'ran, or something else...
 

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Before I'm gunned down in some sleazy third world hotel, I'd just like to know to properly spell the name of the book. is it Koran, Quran, Qu'ran, or something else...

You properly spell it with Arabic letters or characters or whatever they're called in that language.
 

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....or......do what the United States did before we entered WWI.....urge Americans to "NOT GO OVERSEAS"????? Maybe that's a start? Don't want to be kidnapped and/or murdered? Don't put yourself in that situation.
 

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Before I'm gunned down in some sleazy third world hotel, I'd just like to know to properly spell the name of the book. is it Koran, Quran, Qu'ran, or something else...
That Raddison is probably a 4-5 star. not shabby at all.
 

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....or......do what the United States did before we entered WWI.....urge Americans to "NOT GO OVERSEAS"????? Maybe that's a start? Don't want to be kidnapped and/or murdered? Don't put yourself in that situation.
Ive always wanted to go to Egypt and Morocco. I'll probably never make it there though. A buddy of mine took his daughter to Egypt about 4 years ago and he said he did not feel safe. He's a rather worldly guy too...a neurologist who is retired air force. Been all over. But any rational American in this day and age better be careful about what situations he puts himself into. I wouldn't hesitate to go to anywhere in Europe. I'd have some reservations about anywhere in Africa north of the equator and anywhere in the ME though. Probably going to avoid the south american countries bordering the caribbean sea too.
 

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Ive always wanted to go to Egypt and Morocco. I'll probably never make it there though. A buddy of mine took his daughter to Egypt about 4 years ago and he said he did not feel safe. He's a rather worldly guy too...a neurologist who is retired air force. Been all over. But any rational American in this day and age better be careful about what situations he puts himself into. I wouldn't hesitate to go to anywhere in Europe. I'd have some reservations about anywhere in Africa north of the equator and anywhere in the ME though. Probably going to avoid the south american countries bordering the caribbean sea too.
Costa Rica, Panama, Guatemala, and even Mexico are fine. Costa Rica is waaaaay fine.

Israel is fine if you stay out of Gaza and the West Bank. Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Dubai, Turkey, Pakistan, and Morocco are all fine.
 

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Ive always wanted to go to Egypt and Morocco. I'll probably never make it there though. A buddy of mine took his daughter to Egypt about 4 years ago and he said he did not feel safe. He's a rather worldly guy too...a neurologist who is retired air force. Been all over. But any rational American in this day and age better be careful about what situations he puts himself into. I wouldn't hesitate to go to anywhere in Europe. I'd have some reservations about anywhere in Africa north of the equator and anywhere in the ME though. Probably going to avoid the south american countries bordering the caribbean sea too.

When I was younger it was my dream to visit Eqypt, the Pyramids, Valley of the Kings, etc. Loved Egyptian history. Had a teacher that got to visit there in the early 80's.
 

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Ive always wanted to go to Egypt and Morocco. I'll probably never make it there though. A buddy of mine took his daughter to Egypt about 4 years ago and he said he did not feel safe. He's a rather worldly guy too...a neurologist who is retired air force. Been all over. But any rational American in this day and age better be careful about what situations he puts himself into. I wouldn't hesitate to go to anywhere in Europe. I'd have some reservations about anywhere in Africa north of the equator and anywhere in the ME though. Probably going to avoid the south american countries bordering the caribbean sea too.
Why would you have reservations about travelling abroad? Are you afraid of Muslims? Doesn't that kind of go against your argument for allowing everyone and anyone to enter the US?
 

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Why would you have reservations about travelling abroad? Are you afraid of Muslims? Doesn't that kind of go against your argument for allowing everyone and anyone to enter the US?
Yes, it definitely conflicts with my argument. So I'm booking a trip to Raqque as we speak. Then on to Kabul. Then Tehran. PS, how do you manage to dress yourself each day?
 

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Costa Rica, Panama, Guatemala, and even Mexico are fine. Costa Rica is waaaaay fine.

Israel is fine if you stay out of Gaza and the West Bank. Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Dubai, Turkey, Pakistan, and Morocco are all fine.
Those first ones are central american countries and I wouldn't have any problems there aside from maybe Nicaraugua. But I was referring to columbia and venezuela although Ive read that Medellin is not the drug gang infested place it used to be. Still, I'd prefer not to be kidnapped.
 

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I walked by my self all over Rio de Janeiro, considered one of most dangerous cities in the world. I was told to not go out by myself. Went all over Coco cabana and visited some unseemly places. Never a problem.
I went to some shake places in Bangkok, where I finally thought I was in deep trouble. I traveled with folks in Russia, Khazakstan, Peru, Brasil, Argentina, France, England, Italy, Canada, Venezuela, Trinadad, Mexico and Japan. Most of my travelling mates would not leave the hotel; so most often I would go it alone and never had an incident.
Don't regret a minute, but know I was lucky
 

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Those first ones are central american countries and I wouldn't have any problems there aside from maybe Nicaraugua. But I was referring to columbia and venezuela although Ive read that Medellin is not the drug gang infested place it used to be. Still, I'd prefer not to be kidnapped.
I haven't been but I want very much to go to Columbia. Venezuela, no desire. Chile is like the states. Argentina is more 3rd world but still nice. Trying to put a trip together to hike Machu Picchu in Peru and I'm debating Brazil.
 

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Those first ones are central american countries and I wouldn't have any problems there aside from maybe Nicaraugua. But I was referring to columbia and venezuela although Ive read that Medellin is not the drug gang infested place it used to be. Still, I'd prefer not to be kidnapped.

I hate for you to have to depend on this board to pay your ransom.
 

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I walked by my self all over Rio de Janeiro, considered one of most dangerous cities in the world. I was told to not go out by myself. Went all over Coco cabana and visited some unseemly places. Never a problem.
I went to some shake places in Bangkok, where I finally thought I was in deep trouble. I traveled with folks in Russia, Khazakstan, Peru, Brasil, Argentina, France, England, Italy, Canada, Venezuela, Trinadad, Mexico and Japan. Most of my travelling mates would not leave the hotel; so most often I would go it alone and never had an incident.
Don't regret a minute, but know I was lucky
You better stay out of McDowell Co WV after dark.
 

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Reports that you were let go if you could recite the Quran. Seek out the infidel and kill him. nothing wrong with that.
What...this has nothing to do with Islam...other than you better be able to recite the Quran or else
 

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If you ever go to Spain, you can catch a ferry from Cadiz to Tangiers for a day trip. Tangiers was a sketchy place when I first went there in late 70's, but Europeans are flocking there in droves these days turning old villas into vacation homes. Turkey is Greece and Italy on the cheap for beaches and ruins.

Most of Central America is cool with the exception of Honduras and Salvador. Nicaragua isn't bad, but it's a dirt poor country in a dirt poor region. Don't be jughead about where you go and you'll be fine. Mines left over from the Contra War are still a problem along the Honduras-Nicaragua border. If you've got to take a little rest stop up there, do your business where the locals do. It's going to smell and you might step in something, but you won't go "boom". I've got a cousin who is married to a guy from Esteli, it's up in the mountains in that region and nice. It's the land of the exploding cows.

One tip in sketchy countries, don't stay at the expensive hotels. Thieves and kidnappers lurk around the places looking for victims wandering off in search of local color. Stay where the traveling local business folks on a budget do. You'll save money, meet people with solid advice on where and where not to go and most importantly, what the good safe local food is. Hell, you might make a friend or two.

On reciting the Koran. Muslims of all nationalities are expected to learn Arabic so they can memorize as much of the Koran as they can. The form of Arabic it's written and recited in is considered a Holy language. All good Muslims do their best to memorize the Koran. It's considered a great accomplishment and honor if you can pull it off.

If you can recite a few verses properly and your foreskin has been chopped when these Jihadi nuts pull down your britches to check, you might have a chance of walking away. A snowball's chance perhaps, but a chance.
 

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On reciting the Koran. Muslims of all nationalities are expected to learn Arabic so they can memorize as much of the Koran as they can. The form of Arabic it's written and recited in is considered a Holy language. All good Muslims do their best to memorize the Koran. It's considered a great accomplishment and honor if you can pull it off.

If you can recite a few verses properly and your foreskin has been chopped when these Jihadi nuts pull down your britches to check, you might have a chance of walking away. A snowball's chance perhaps, but a chance.

The bit about Arabic at that time being a Holy language strikes me as particularly ridiculous. How can a language be Holy? Of all the thousands of languages why would God pick one to be somehow Holy?

Why wouldn't God make the Scriptures be something that everyone that reads it would understand, even illiterates? How is that possible, you ask? I don't know, but then again I'm not the Omniscient Omnipotent Creator of the Universe. If I was I think I could figure out a way to make a book such that anyone that looks at it, regardless of what language they speak, read or write, would understand the contents.

The old Holy books are so obviously products of their time and place rather than universal things.
 

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The bit about Arabic at that time being a Holy language strikes me as particularly ridiculous. How can a language be Holy? Of all the thousands of languages why would God pick one to be somehow Holy?

Why wouldn't God make the Scriptures be something that everyone that reads it would understand, even illiterates? How is that possible, you ask? I don't know, but then again I'm not the Omniscient Omnipotent Creator of the Universe. If I was I think I could figure out a way to make a book such that anyone that looks at it, regardless of what language they speak, read or write, would understand the contents.

The old Holy books are so obviously products of their time and place rather than universal things.

Would Illiterates be able to read it?:sunglasses:
 

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Would Illiterates be able to read it?:sunglasses:

Yes, because God is creating it, that's the point. Illiterates can't read normally but surely God could make something understandable even to someone that can't read. Remember, this is God were talking about, not some human that just happens to be somewhat more clever than most other humans.
 

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Yes, because God is creating it, that's the point. Illiterates can't read normally but surely God could make something understandable even to someone that can't read. Remember, this is God were talking about, not some human that just happens to be somewhat more clever than more other humans.

See Tower of Babel.
 

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See Tower of Babel.

First of all that was mythical.

And secondly, even if it's real it just explains why humans can't understand each others language. But God should still be able to write a book that any human could understand.
 

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I've read some of it, but not all of it.

I started this weekend but it was tougher slogging than I thought because it is written old style where you have to read slowly to understand what they're saying. I got maybe 8% through. I'm going to keep going and finish it, although maybe it'll take a week or two.
 

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I started this weekend but it was tougher slogging than I thought because it is written old style where you have to read slowly to understand what they're saying. I got maybe 8% through. I'm going to keep going and finish it, although maybe it'll take a week or two.

The version I read was translated in a way that was easy to read. There's another book too though, can't remember what it's called now (this was over a year ago that I read what I did and it wasn't the whole thing), that chronicles the prophet Mohammad and his teachings and that is what you are supposed to follow on how to live your life. I never read that book but it sounded like together it would be similar to Old Testament and New Testament.
 

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The archaic style of Arabic the Koran is written in is the form of the language Muhammad's revelation from God came to him in, the Arabic that Muhammad spoke. Muhammad started having the revelation it transcribed and collated late in his life. Therefore, to Muslims, that form of Arabic and the script it is written in is Holy.

There are other Holy languages, Hebrew being the most known. It wasn't revived as living language until the creation of the state of Israel in 1947. Aramaic was the language of the region of what's now Israel and Syria in the centuries leading up to and after the time of Christ along with Greek and local Semitic dialects. The classical Arabic of the time of Muhammad gradually replaced Aramaic as the lingua franca of the region after the Muslim conquest. By about 800 CE, that form of Arabic was also heading for extinction as a living language as Islam's expansion and assimilation of other peoples brought new words and forms into Arabic. The Arabic of the Koran remained only as a religious language.

Hebrew went the way of the dinosaurs as a living language with the Assyrian conquest and deportation of the Israelite elite to Mesopotamia. It survived only as religious language, it's importance being the language that Abraham and Moses received their revelations in, ie; a Holy language.

Sanskrit, is similar. It hasn't been spoken as an everyday language in millennia. However, hundreds of millions Hindu's consider it a sacred language. I wouldn't advise you to go to New Delhi and start hollering it wasn't unless you're suicidal.

Latin in many ways can be said to be the same. It's the language of the Roman Catholic Church and survives only as such The reason we in the West consider it to be a language of learning is due to the fact the only way one could get an education in Western Europe for centuries was through the Church.

There are more Holy/sacred languages in the world than you can shake a stick at. Religions are strange beasts.
 

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The archaic style of Arabic the Koran is written in is the form of the language Muhammad's revelation from God came to him in, the Arabic that Muhammad spoke. Muhammad started having the revelation it transcribed and collated late in his life. Therefore, to Muslims, that form of Arabic and the script it is written in is Holy.

There are other Holy languages, Hebrew being the most known. It wasn't revived as living language until the creation of the state of Israel in 1947. Aramaic was the language of the region of what's now Israel and Syria in the centuries leading up to and after the time of Christ along with Greek and local Semitic dialects. The classical Arabic of the time of Muhammad gradually replaced Aramaic as the lingua franca of the region after the Muslim conquest. By about 800 CE, that form of Arabic was also heading for extinction as a living language as Islam's expansion and assimilation of other peoples brought new words and forms into Arabic. The Arabic of the Koran remained only as a religious language.

Hebrew went the way of the dinosaurs as a living language with the Assyrian conquest and deportation of the Israelite elite to Mesopotamia. It survived only as religious language, it's importance being the language that Abraham and Moses received their revelations in, ie; a Holy language.

Sanskrit, is similar. It hasn't been spoken as an everyday language in millennia. However, hundreds of millions Hindu's consider it a sacred language. I wouldn't advise you to go to New Delhi and start hollering it wasn't unless you're suicidal.

Latin in many ways can be said to be the same. It's the language of the Roman Catholic Church and survives only as such The reason we in the West consider it to be a language of learning is due to the fact the only way one could get an education in Western Europe for centuries was through the Church.

There are more Holy/sacred languages in the world than you can shake a stick at. Religions are strange beasts.
I thought God only spoke English.
 

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Jimmy tends to speak in tongues. When he gets going he sounds like Jambi on Pee-Wee's Playhouse.

I don't know what God speaks these days. I'm still trying to figure out why no one else spotted that 900 feet tall Jesus stomping around Tulsa except for Oral Roberts. All of Tokyo sees Godzilla, but no one sees giant Jesus but Oral?
 
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