If you sat on the Penn State board of trustees how do you not

[Gundawg]

Immediately cancel the remaining games and immediately announce that you are self imposing a two year moratorium.

Given the details released regarding the lack of institution control as specified in grand jury testimony, what they he'll are they waiting for? It is the only meaningful act that the university can do to show that their Penn State truly cares about the victims and actively attempt to distance the university from this disgusting display of perversion and self preservation that numerous members of PSU faculty committed.

Shut the damn thing down- today.

 

[The Peeper]

that its important in the overall scheme of things for the families involved but that aint chump change. I'm guessing on the amount, when you have to pay lower level teams $3-$400,00 I'm thinking Nebraska has to get more.

 

[22yardpunt]

I agree gundawg .. no way the game against nebraska, or any of the remaining games of this season, should be played.

this is some of the worst and most disgusting stuff i have ever heard of.

 

[Gundawg]

When this over $400,000 will be less than one percent of what that school will pay out to victims.

Book it.

That does not include legal fees or investigation costs.

 

[Shmuley]

And how does a forfeit get plugged into the BCS computer rankings as it relates to PSU's opponents?

So, aside from the foreseeable impact that decision would have on the current players, it could potentially impact the whole of college football.

And, yes, I understand that there is merit to the BOT saying F the rest of the college football world.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I don't think that would be prudent. Their best course of action is to clean house of anyone associated at all with that time and start fresh. None of the players had anything to do with it. I don't know the make up of their coaching staff, but it's possible at least some of them were not around for the whole deal.

This is a bad deal all around, but ultimately its the actions of people. Those people need to be punished, and the university needs to start fresh. They need to cooperate and offer all the help they can to the victims in their families and show simply that they're doing everything in their power to distance themselves from what went on. Give a whole bunch of money to children's charities (maybe even offer up all of your profits from the season to charities), whatever it takes, but there isn't a reason to shut down the football program because one staff, AD, and president used very bad judgment.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

not to mention the thousands of fans who took no part in these wrongs and any assistant coaches that took no part in what happened? Good call. This isn't about the football team, its about individuals not doing the riight thing.

 

[Gundawg]

Guys i don't post much. I stay in the shadows and come here to watch the whitty banter and catch up on MSU sports.

Here is where I am coming from... I am a State grad and a federal criminal investigator. I manage a team of 1811s that investigate among other things civil rights violations. I investigate government employees, including other criminal investigators, people with estreme amounts of power and authority. my job is when these very type of events occurr to reveal the truth. To expose it.

I am also the father of five daughters. Beautiful blond haired blue eyed innocent daughters.

These people at PSU violated the trust of numerous people, allowed or participated in the victimization of innocent children in ghastly ways. People watched while two separate children were raped. Those people did nothing. Numerous children lost any and all trust of and for all persons through violence.

Evil exists gentlemen. Sandusky's and his ilk are with us.

Those players that don't get to play inter final game as a senior- so what. Football is a game. Only a damn game. It sounds to me like PSU needs to reminded of that fact.

 

[RebelBruiser]

That's my question.

Since you're a criminal investigator, when you investigate a civil rights violation, do those directly involved with the violation get punished, or does everyone they work with get punished too?

I realize there is a court of public opinion, but if there are coaches on that staff that have nothing to do with what happened, and if the players are completely innocent (I have no reason to believe they aren't), why should they all be punished?

The acts that occurred are horrific, and justice needs to be served. The university needs to do everything in its power to help rectify the situation as best as they can. The first thing they have to do is remove everyone associated in any way with the scandal. They're in the process of that, but it needs to be a clean house. Then, they need to make some philanthropic gestures.

The football games pale in comparison to all of this stuff, yes, but that doesn't mean they should be canceled to punish the innocent for crimes they didn't commit. As I said, maybe make a gesture that you're going to donate all of the proceeds from football for this season and the next to charity. Do fundraisers at the games for the victims families. Instead of canceling the games, use them as a way to help heal the situation. You can't go back and change it. All you can do is determine how you're going to handle it going forward.

 

[kimmer]

Let's be realistic here. If this had been a professor in the english department and the department head did the same thing would you stop teaching english? Of course you wouldn't. You would investigate the heck out of it, see that any crimes committed were prosecuted, clean house where required and move on. Same thing here. If the guy is guilty then he abused children because he is a sick monster. It had nothing to do with the fact he was a football coach.

 

[Gundawg]

RB- I have enojoyed reading your retorts regarding Ole Miss for quite a while.

More often than not, civil rights violations impact entire agencies and all citizens. How do you think Miranda warnings came about? Google Tailhook and see what happened in the Air force regarding sexual harassment...

The student athletes conduct is not in question. But yes, my suggestion to forfeit the games is as a direct result of the criminal acts that have "allegedly" been committed. Due process will determine criminal culpability in time. Fortunately, it will take time so that emotion will be allowed to be extracted from the equation of guilty and innocence.

A wise man once told me "Nothing is as good or as bad as first reported." Unfortunately, many years have taught me that there are exceptions to that rule.

Ever hear, "the cover-up is always worse than the crime."Unfortunately in this case, the cover allowed many more crimes to occur.

Over the past week I have heard it stated numerous times by students and alums alike that PSU is a "family."

For me, the decision of PSU placing a moratorium on football would bea moral and ethically sound decision. An overture and an opportunity to teach the student athletes lessens of ethical conduct- such as a business or schoolaccepting responsibility for heinous transgressions of their employees.Unfortunately, criminal conduct negatively impacts all members of ones family. Not just theperson sent to prison.

And so it is stated- My agency is not involved in this case or I would refrain from even having an anonymous inter net discussion with you.

edited for spell check.

 

[BiscuitEater]

FIRE the entire football coaching staff. You will never ever convince me that this staff did not know 'what' Sandusky was doing.

Of the eleven coaches, AVERAGE time coaching at PSU is 21.8 years ... five have been there 20 years or longer. Five of the eleven played at PSU. "Newest" coaches have been there for eight years.

Six of the eleven coached with Sandusky.

Until convinced by stronger evidence, I'm thinking this was 'something that everyone knew' but was 'just not discussed.'

Think Mafia or 'The Firm' ... or 'All in'

 

[GloryDawg]

Just play the remaining of their games on the road and if Penn State wins the game forfeit it the next day. This has to be the worse thing to ever happen to NCAA football.

 

[GloryDawg]

Colleges were created to give education. It was not created for sports. The sports are just extra stuff for the students. You don't need football to have a college but you do need English. </p>

 

[BiscuitEater]

Google Tailhook and see what happened in the Air force regarding sexual harassment...

Better google it again. Tailhook was a Navy & Marine aviator "scandal" not Air Force.


I have read ALL the Tailhook reports and the majority of the 'scandals' were the same kind that Herman Cain is putting up with today.>


A lot of adult men and women had too much to drink, acted foolishly and had a 'really' good time. When one or two women had 'regrets' about where they woke up the next morning, crap hit the fan. Many stupid acts instantly became 'sexual harassment.'>


MORE will come from this PSU mess UNLESS they clean house. This will not end well.>

 

[Gundawg]

My very unclearly stated point was that Tailhook was a bunk of military guys acting like jackasses. They were not even close to a civil rights violation. But their conduct affected every person present and many of their superior officers. Additionally, their branch of the military (you are right BE) was very impacted by the conduct of a few.

 

[davatron]

For me, the decision of PSU placing a moratorium on football would be a moral and ethically sound decision.

Some people wouldn't be happy even if the university burned to the ground after this.

Fire anyone responsible for said acts and anyone involved in a cover up. Give them their due process and let the judicial system handle their punishment. Don't punish people that had no involvement, like the football team.