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Walmart is a classic example of why unions still have a place in a "non-dangerous" work environment. They flat out abuse their employees. They abuse part time workers. They commit wage law violations. They provide inadequate health care causing many of their employees to go on Medicaid, and they exploit their workers. All while generating profits north of $10 billion each year. They continue to retaliate against employees who want to organize. Walmart is the poster child for why unions are still needed.

What union are your employees members of ????????????? What employee has Walmart retaliated against? Name a wage law Walmart has violated. Name an employee Walmart has abused?
 
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Nobody has even touched on the violence (even murder) by union members when strikes were happening. My senior year at WVU there was a strike at a mine in Granville. Somebody was shot that was entering the mine property across the picket line. I don't recall details at this point, but I was thinking that it wasn't even somebody crossing the line as a scab mine worker, but rather a guy driving some kind of delivery truck. I'm also thinking that he was killed ... but that was 20+ years ago and details escape me.

Excuse me for not having sympathy. My uncle was a local union rep and was murdered on a picket line and no one was ever prosecuted. I'm not condoning murder by union members either.
 

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Walmart is a classic example of why unions still have a place in a "non-dangerous" work environment. They flat out abuse their employees. They abuse part time workers. They commit wage law violations. They provide inadequate health care causing many of their employees to go on Medicaid, and they exploit their workers. All while generating profits north of $10 billion each year. They continue to retaliate against employees who want to organize. Walmart is the poster child for why unions are still needed.
Can you provide some examples of each of these? Honest question because I need to see it and then put it in context.
 

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Can you provide some examples of each of these? Honest question because I need to see it and then put it in context.

He can't answer ANY questions because it would expose him as the liar and hypocrite he is. I have asked him repeatedly what union his employees are members of.
 

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Can you provide some examples of each of these? Honest question because I need to see it and then put it in context.
Read up. There are tons of examples. There is a reason Walmart is sued 1000s of times each year.....http://www.workplacefairness.org/reports/good-bad-wal-mart/wal-mart.php

http://www.forbes.com/2005/11/09/wal-mart-lawsuits-cx_tvr_1109walmart.html

And to answer the moron's question above, in addition to a very competitive salary, all my employees have 100% of their health insurance premiums paid for including dental, paid vacation commensurate with their longevity, 401K, sick/personal days, paid holidays, maternity leave, and covered education expenses. I treat my staff the way Walmart should treat theirs.
 

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My family is very rooted into unions with coal mines. Have lost members of the family without a union and have also lost members in a union. I fully agree with Country's sentiments before and am disgusted by other's opinion as they and you are not attempting to understand the full picture including other's experiences before sharing your opinion.

My family members are so much better off with the union versus the "old" days and everytime there has been a threat to strike, the fight they were fighting were very much worth any sacrifice that was being made.

Just sharing a little from my personal experience and won't get into much of a discussion as this does touch home more than other topics.
Have seen both sides of the argument as I think I stated originally. Being from the coal region, I am very well versed in union. I will stick to my observation that they have outlived their purpose of protecting the member. I have been a member when crazy strikes were called by some idiot who throws a container of coffee into the air and says if it comes down, we will go home and strike. Those with interest in earning money don't make much on those days. And the union protects/follows the idiot for a couple weeks until the strike is "settled".

Have also been there as an operator. My miner operator needed advance of several thousand to buy a hotrod. I wrote him a check for the last penny the company had in the bank. Who do you think went along with calling a strike before the week was out. He was union committee man at my operation and he went along with another operation's strike of the entire hollow. The members of the union had to stick together. It made no difference that the company was broke and needed production to have coal to sell so I could honor a pending payroll.

I understand your feelings for your family, but there is another side that also has to be considered for self preservation.
 

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Read up. There are tons of examples. There is a reason Walmart is sued 1000s of times each year.....http://www.workplacefairness.org/reports/good-bad-wal-mart/wal-mart.php

http://www.forbes.com/2005/11/09/wal-mart-lawsuits-cx_tvr_1109walmart.html

And to answer the moron's question above, in addition to a very competitive salary, all my employees have 100% of their health insurance premiums paid for including dental, paid vacation commensurate with their longevity, 401K, sick/personal days, paid holidays, maternity leave, and covered education expenses. I treat my staff the way Walmart should treat theirs.

You AGAIN failed to answer..... WHAT UNION ARE YOUR EMPLOYEES MEMBERS OF? I NEVER ASKED how you compensated your employees. ARE YOUR EMPLOYEES UNION MEMBERS?
 

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but there is another side that also has to be considered for self preservation.

I understand both sides well. This post you made is a much better statement of opinion and I have nothing else to comment on.
 

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I see the resident idiot and hypocrite has provided us with biased outdated 2005 and further back stories. And Canada and Bangladesh. I also would bet the peons at his "club" are also NOT members of any unions.
 

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No. You are missing the point entirely. You are being a dumbass.
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You are the one missing the point and you are just defending the real dumbass. He is the hypocrite, his employees are NOT union members. He is the one who supposedly loves unions. He uses the SAME defense that Walmart and hundreds of businesses use.
 

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I understand both sides well. This post you made is a much better statement of opinion and I have nothing else to comment on.
The post I made was a fact that I lived in the vast majority of my statements. I don't think Webster's would classify that as "opinion"
 

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More from the conservative Washington Times...you dumbasses don't get out much, do you Devil and born? [roll]
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...bad-business-practices-lead-litigat/?page=all
Honestly, I don't read up on Walmart. I'm not a fan of theirs just because of the impacts they have on the local economy and small business. Not sure why you felt the need to insult me when I asked a legitimate question trying to find some specific examples to point to in order to begin reading up and understanding both sides of the argument.
 

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Honestly, I don't read up on Walmart. I'm not a fan of theirs just because of the impacts they have on the local economy and small business. Not sure why you felt the need to insult me when I asked a legitimate question trying to find some specific examples to point to in order to begin reading up and understanding both sides of the argument.
You insult me on a regular basis, jackass. Sorry to hurt your feelings.
 

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I have zero problem if Walmart and many other employees of other companies like Nike and Apple want to unionize. I just find it very hypocritical and hard to believe that such a staunch advocate of unions does not have his business and "club" employees covered by union contracts. They do have unions that would love to provide membership for those workers.
 

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You insult me on a regular basis, jackass. Sorry to hurt your feelings.

Look in the mirror, jackass. ARE the peons at YOUR "club" union members? How many grounds keepers and waitresses have received "club" money for college tuition? HYPOCRITE....
 

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I see the resident idiot and hypocrite has provided us with biased outdated 2005 and further back stories. And Canada and Bangladesh. I also would bet the peons at his "club" are also NOT members of any unions.
The Washington Times story is from Dec 2014. Can't you read? (Obviously, we all know the answer to that)[roll]:flush:
 

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Look in the mirror, jackass. ARE the peons at YOUR "club" union members? How many grounds keepers and waitresses have received "club" money for college tuition? HYPOCRITE....
You're making even less sense than usual. I don't think you understand why unions are necessary. No one is advocating that every worker in the US should be in a union. You've created a little strawman. Pretty transparent. Unless you are legitimately too stupid to understand the basic principle of do unto others....Yes, it's probably the latter. You aren't smart enough to intentionally create a strawman. I guess I initially gave you too much credit. Sorry. :cool2:
 
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Look in the mirror, jackass. ARE the peons at YOUR "club" union members? How many grounds keepers and waitresses have received "club" money for college tuition? HYPOCRITE....

Not trying to be offensive or insulting, but you are pushing the limits now. He (RPJ) already provided clear reasoning why his employees don't need to be union. That's not being hypocritical. I have no problem with small businesses, or businesses that employ less than 40 or so employees not being union.

There is a point when you give up the argument and gracefully walk away.
 

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The Washington Times story is from Dec 2014. Can't you read? (Obviously, we all know the answer to that)[roll]:flush:

Yes, I did read the Washington Times story. I have NEVER said that Walmart was a model company. It appears you are a little naive about lawsuits and ligation against large companies. I'm a little perplexed as to why you are so anti Walmart, especially given the fact that they appear to now embrace several of your hero's initiatives,healthcare being one, and have even started giving money to him.
 

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Nobody has even touched on the violence (even murder) by union members when strikes were happening. My senior year at WVU there was a strike at a mine in Granville. Somebody was shot that was entering the mine property across the picket line. I don't recall details at this point, but I was thinking that it wasn't even somebody crossing the line as a scab mine worker, but rather a guy driving some kind of delivery truck. I'm also thinking that he was killed ... but that was 20+ years ago and details escape me.
I had some personal experience in the Massey strike and some reports from some who were working at Massey. I wish there were a condesned version, but there were many things that happened.

I was working UMWA at the time of the strike. Trumka led headquarters wanted a nationwide strike. I was assigned to picket my place of employment who wanted to sign a "me too" contract and keep working. Nationwide was called and I was on picket line as assigned. We got "strike funds" from UMWA of about $100. After about a month Massey showed no sign of slowing. Trumka called a meeting of all local presidents in Charleston. The next day everyone was assigned to picket Massey in Matewan. As our local(traveling together) walked over a hill toward the action, we heard cracks. Small gun? Actually when we got to where we could see, Trumka had sent a couple hundred goons in as strike breakers. The cracks were of the goons hitting Massey workers in head with ball bats. WV state trooper standing by and watching.

Later saw a Massey film of the incident. A little fellow drove into the crowd while filming. At some point his car was overturned, but he actually had film of ball bats. One big goon had knocked one individual to ground, and didn't stop hitting him. State police stepped in when they saw the man was defensless and the goon still swinging. Nothing peaceful about that strike and I surely was glad to be away from the scene.

Don Blankenship got his promotion during this strike as he had been and accountant and was given opportunity to run the operation. Pictures were made of different bullet holes in his office and he was crazy/nervy enough to keep working and didn't miss a stroke. Most associated, understood why he was given Massey to run.

An old fellow attempting to keep up on payment of his truck was assignated while driving over mountain at Pikeville.

Wife was taking class and while driving on Federal Highway US 52 she was turned back because the entire highway was afire by union. Again state police were observing.

Another strike, I think, my daughter was going somewhere in her new car. Strikers had thrown jack-rocks (nails welded together to have points standing up) into the path she had to drive. She called from about 15 miles away with four flat tires. Of course she was not aware and destroyed all 4. I closed a strike shack down that day and sent occupants scurrying. Put my daughter in jeopardy, I reacted. Luckily I didn't find him, I guess. He later murdered a night watchman a couple miles away, Was caught and convicted, but sentence commuted after about 6 months since it was union related. Unarmed victim, Nick, was a peaceful as anyone you have ever seen - wouldn't resist or anything, and he was murdered in cold blood in premeditation.
 
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Excuse me for not having sympathy. My uncle was a local union rep and was murdered on a picket line and no one was ever prosecuted. I'm not condoning murder by union members either.

I'm really not trying to be a dick, just discussing this from a more macro view. If your uncle was murdered I would think that you would be MORE sympathetic to somebody else being murdered. (please don't take that as me implying your uncle wasn't murdered, that's not what I'm doing) I was viciously attacked by a dog when I was 10 (I think, something around that age) and was scared to death of dogs for a few years and I'm therefore more sympathetic to people being afraid of dogs.

I'm honestly not trying to ruffle your feathers with any of this. It's clear why you have such strong opinions on this matter. The root of those feelings might be affecting your objectivity, which is perfectly understandable.
 

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Not trying to be offensive or insulting, but you are pushing the limits now. He (RPJ) already provided clear reasoning why his employees don't need to be union. That's not being hypocritical. I have no problem with small businesses, or businesses that employ less than 40 or so employees not being union.

There is a point when you give up the argument and gracefully walk away.

I don't take offense or feel insulted by your comments. I also am not pro WaImart, they are a dump of a store. After encountering some of their employee, I actually wonder how they were even hired. I guess we could give kudos to Walmart for providing jobs for many of them. I AM pushing the limits to make a point. Just a question; how did you arrive at the 40 employee limit? RPG has not provided clear reasoning why his and is clubs employees are not unionized. In fact he is using the same lame excuse that Walmart uses. As I stated, we have union availability that cover small business.
 
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I don't take offense or feel insulted by your comments. I also am not pro WaImart, they are a dump of a store. After encountering some of their employee, I actually wonder how they were even hired. I guess we could give kudos to Walmart for providing jobs for many of them. I AM pushing the limits to make a point. Just a question; how did you arrive at the 40 employee limit? RPG has not provided clear reasoning why his and is clubs employees are not unionized. In fact he is using the same lame excuse that Walmart uses. As I stated, we have unions availability that cover small business.

40 was just a random number, not the correct number, that I thought the business would be "small enough" to where the revenue was not so large that certain costs have a significant impact on them. Obviously, there are examples where companies have fewer than 40 employees and have huge revenue and vice versa. FWIW, 50 is the number that was used in the ACA.
 

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I don't take offense or feel insulted by your comments. I also am not pro WaImart, they are a dump of a store. After encountering some of their employee, I actually wonder how they were even hired. I guess we could give kudos to Walmart for providing jobs for many of them. I AM pushing the limits to make a point. Just a question; how did you arrive at the 40 employee limit? RPG has not provided clear reasoning why his and is clubs employees are not unionized. In fact he is using the same lame excuse that Walmart uses. As I stated, we have unions availability that cover small business.

What union are your employees members of ????????????? What employee has Walmart retaliated against? Name a wage law Walmart has violated. Name an employee Walmart has abused?

Looks from the tone of your response that you are, indeed, pro-Walmart. Make up your mind.
 

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40 was just a random number, not the correct number, that I thought the business would be "small enough" to where the revenue was not so large that certain costs have a significant impact on them. Obviously, there are examples where companies have fewer than 40 employees and have huge revenue and vice versa. FWIW, 50 is the number that was used in the ACA.
Damn, you are dense. The bigger companies have bigger expenses. I would suggest there are some 40 employee companies that are showing a better bottom line than some companies with 100 or 500 employees. You make absolute statements with zero ability to justify the statement. Then you proceed to tell the opposition why they are wrong.

Damn, I cannot begin to tell you how happy I was when you disclosed you did not have a degree in business or econ from WVU. It really shows that you have no background in the business word in practice or education. You would probably be better served to be so challenging in your area of education or experience if you are of age to have garnered applicable experience. Apologize if I am being too direct , but I don't know how to state it being PC.
 

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You insult me on a regular basis, jackass. Sorry to hurt your feelings.
I don't insult you. I accurately describe what you project regarding your anti-Semitism and desperate need for approval. If that insults you, I would look in the mirror. Not sure why you felt the need in this specific instance to go petty when there was a nice conversation going on. I was legitimately trying to understand the Walmart stuff from your position because you often leave things very vague.
 
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Damn, you are dense. The bigger companies have bigger expenses. I would suggest there are some 40 employee companies that are showing a better bottom line than some companies with 100 or 500 employees. You make absolute statements with zero ability to justify the statement. Then you proceed to tell the opposition why they are wrong.

Damn, I cannot begin to tell you how happy I was when you disclosed you did not have a degree in business or econ from WVU. It really shows that you have no background in the business word in practice or education. You would probably be better served to be so challenging in your area of education or experience if you are of age to have garnered applicable experience. Apologize if I am being too direct , but I don't know how to state it being PC.
This from the guy that said "assignated" in his post and can't put together coherent paragraphs without making several grammatical errors. LMAO. I used to have a business, it was very successful, took up too much of my time, my kids were growing up without me.
 

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Looks from the tone of your response that you are, indeed, pro-Walmart. Make up your mind.

I have already made up my mind. I AM for businesses being allowed to operate as they see fit, as yours does, AS LONG as they are NOT in violation of govt. laws. I am against outside interference based on POLITICS and such. The same groups that have attacked Walmart have allowed other mega companies to operate without the same scrutiny, Apple and Nike immediately come to mind. Both of those companies have horrendous worker overseas abuse records which make Walmart look like a model employer. The reason is clear as we both know. If you came off you high horse union stance, I would actually applaud you for the way you take care of your employees.
 

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This from the guy that said "assignated" in his post and can't put together coherent paragraphs without making several grammatical errors. LMAO. I used to have a business, it was very successful, took up too much of my time, my kids were growing up without me.
Assignated - where? Computer normally catches spelling errors and even corrects some to the point that it spells a different word.

Coherent paragraphs and grammatical errors a real possibility. Have had to do without a secretary in retirement. Really just couldn't justify retaining her. Please reference the errors to which you refer, so I can attempt to clean up my errors and keep you happy in the future.

What did you do with that business? Some associates are looking for something to get into. If you can have a successful business, it has to be something that is in extreme demand. Not saying you didn't. Just sayin'.
 

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You are very naive. Unions were the reason many labor laws are in existence in this country. I know of two hospitals, one union and one non-union and their wrkplace policies are night and day different. Some people clock in and out and others don't at the non-union hospital and the employees at the union hospital laugh at that because they know that would never fly. The non-union hospital doesn't even recognize the family medical leave act passed when Clinton was in office. The non-union hospital has chips on employee ID badges and can "track" employee movement throughout the hospital. The non-union hospital forces employees to use vacation time if they are ill the first 24 hours, regardless, and then after that they can take sick leave.
I call ******** on FMLA. I know if the 2 hospitals in morgantown the non union hospital recognizes it and their employees use it all the time.