If you're a JFK conspiracist you've got some light Tuesday night reading to do...

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80,000 pages released.

 
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I went to the museum and stood in the 6th floor school book depository window and Dealy plaza.

It would have been an easy shot down Houston St. it would have been a very difficult shot towards Elm. It would have been a very easy shot from the grass knoll.

"...back and to the left". The fatal shot was from the front right, grassy knoll.
 
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History channel had a great doc about 25 years ago called "the men who killed kennedy." Excellent for those fascinated with the subject.
 
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The CIA may have signed off on it, but the mob did the heavy lifting. Anyone who has ever been involved at higher level for any length of time with any of the military or civilian aspects of the gub'mint understands how incompetent, inept and inefficient the entire organization is, plus no one can keep a secret. If more than just a few top level government officials were involved, folks would have talked long ago.
 

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The CIA may have signed off on it, but the mob did the heavy lifting. Anyone who has ever been involved at higher level for any length of time with any of the military or civilian aspects of the gub'mint understands how incompetent, inept and inefficient the entire organization is, plus no one can keep a secret. If more than just a few top level government officials were involved, folks would have talked long ago.
If the govt was in charge, they probably would’ve just shot his ear
 

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The CIA may have signed off on it, but the mob did the heavy lifting. Anyone who has ever been involved at higher level for any length of time with any of the military or civilian aspects of the gub'mint understands how incompetent, inept and inefficient the entire organization is, plus no one can keep a secret. If more than just a few top level government officials were involved, folks would have talked long ago.
Or they would have been killed, which they were.
 

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If you haven’t listened to Rob Reiner’s “Who killed JFK?” podcast series, you are really missing out. There is so much verifiable information in it that obviously points to more than Oswald killing JFK. Spoiler and a teaser to get you to listen: he paints a pretty good picture for Oswald never pulling the trigger.

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80,000 pages released.

Oliver stone already did a great 3 hour documentary about JFK.
 

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Everything's a letdown these days...


Kash Patel is on the record for saying that it was going to be a letdown. Or rather there was not going to be anything released that would change the narrative of what happened that day, but most of the still redacted portions had to do with sources of intelligence gained during the investigation.

At least now there's nothing the government has that is still unreleased.
 

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Kash Patel is on the record for saying that it was going to be a letdown. Or rather there was not going to be anything released that would change the narrative of what happened that day, but most of the still redacted portions had to do with sources of intelligence gained during the investigation.

At least now there's nothing the government has that is still unreleased.
Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like if a government has the ability to assassinate a President and cover it up for 60 years, that same government can and likely would destroy any evidence of the cover up. If the US Government was involved, did people really expect the release of something that would prove that?
 

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Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like if a government has the ability to assassinate a President and cover it up for 60 years, that same government can and likely would destroy any evidence of the cover up. If the US Government was involved, did people really expect the release of something that would prove that?
As long as there is a Grassy Knoll, there will always be questions.
 

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Personal note on the assassination. Somewhere in a closet in mom’s house, there is an 8mm video of her holding 6-month old patdog with Kennedy in the motorcade in the background in San Antonio the day before he was shot. My dad said, there’s no security here. Anyone could just shoot him. There is no evidence that my dad went to Dallas the next day.
 

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I went to the museum and stood in the 6th floor school book depository window and Dealy plaza.

It would have been an easy shot down Houston St. it would have been a very difficult shot towards Elm. It would have been a very easy shot from the grass knoll.

"...back and to the left". The fatal shot was from the front right, grassy knoll.
I’ve done the same. I’m a better than average shot with a rifle. I “ think” I could hit a moving man size target from that spot at that range once but multiple hits with that rifle makes me skeptical. I personally think that at least one shot came from the grassy knoll but don’t discount the railroad overpass as a possibility.
 
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I know it's long, but I think this may be the best JFK documentary I've ever seen.



The conclusions at the end make a lot of sense. Basically, if you were going to set up a conspiracy to kill JFK, you wouldn't have needed it to be this complex or dodgy. There were daily opportunities to take better and more accurate shots if you had a big group working together to get it done:

"Something I found myself doing a lot while making this video was attempting to view the assassination from the perspective of the alleged conspirators. You could, for instance, question the logic of placing an assassin in this specific window. A window in which he ran the risk of being caught red-handed by other workers inside the building. A window in which he could have easily been and actually was spotted by spectators and the approaching motorcade. A window from which his view was partially obstructed by a tree. You could also question the logic of using a sniper to shoot at a moving target in the first place.

If Oswald acted alone and the assassination was a crime of opportunity, these less-than-ideal choices start to make a lot more sense. He found himself at the right place at the right time, had mere days to prepare, and used the only building to which he had access. But for a group of conspirators to handicap their own assassination plot, requires a bit more ingenuity to explain. He was a patsy, he was supposed to get caught, there were multiple assassins, you know the drill. But there's so much of that in this case. So much had to go just right for a conspiracy and the subsequent cover-up to succeed. From the roundabout process by which Oswald was hired at the Book Depository to the selection of the motorcade route. From Oswald's narrow escape and subsequent arrest to him being given multiple chances to speak with the press. From the supposed tampering, suppression, and planting of evidence to dozens of expert witnesses being successfully fooled or coaxed to lie under oath.

Not only would a plan as complex and prolonged as this one have been difficult to predict with countless points of failure but it seems, and, excuse my language here, a bit overkill. Yes, Kennedy was the President of the United States but he was not exactly difficult to access. He was rather famous for abandoning his Secret Service detail and wandering off into crowds. In fact, that's precisely what he did on multiple occasions during this very trip. This was one of those impromptu moments for which President Kennedy is so well-known. So many times, you have heard that the Secret Service men suddenly find themselves without the President, that, suddenly, he has left them and stepped into the crowd and decided to shake hands and give his personal greetings."
 

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He's dead, the people who killed him are probably dead or close to dead. The people who saw him die are probably dead or close to dead. The Secret Service men who were protecting him are probably dead are close to dead. The people who paid to have him killed are dead or close to dead. It's a dead issue to me. I am more interested in knowing what is in the vault at Fort Knox.
 

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I know it's long, but I think this may be the best JFK documentary I've ever seen.



The conclusions at the end make a lot of sense. Basically, if you were going to set up a conspiracy to kill JFK, you wouldn't have needed it to be this complex or dodgy.
"Something I found myself doing a lot while making this video was attempting to view the assassination from the perspective of the alleged conspirators. You could, for instance, question the logic of placing an assassin in this specific window. A window in which he ran the risk of being caught red-handed by other workers inside the building. A window in which he could have easily been and actually was spotted by spectators and the approaching motorcade. A window from which his view was partially obstructed by a tree. You could also question the logic of using a sniper to shoot at a moving target in the first place.

If Oswald acted alone and the assassination was a crime of opportunity, these less-than-ideal choices start to make a lot more sense. He found himself at the right place at the right time, had mere days to prepare, and used the only building to which he had access. But for a group of conspirators to handicap their own assassination plot, requires a bit more ingenuity to explain. He was a patsy, he was supposed to get caught, there were multiple assassins, you know the drill. But there's so much of that in this case. So much had to go just right for a conspiracy and the subsequent cover-up to succeed. From the roundabout process by which Oswald was hired at the Book Depository to the selection of the motorcade route. From Oswald's narrow escape and subsequent arrest to him being given multiple chances to speak with the press. From the supposed tampering, suppression, and planting of evidence to dozens of expert witnesses being successfully fooled or coaxed to lie under oath.

Not only would a plan as complex and prolonged as this one have been difficult to predict with countless points of failure but it seems, and, excuse my language here, a bit overkill. Yes, Kennedy was the President of the United States but he was not exactly difficult to access. He was rather famous for abandoning his Secret Service detail and wandering off into crowds. In fact, that's precisely what he did on multiple occasions during this very trip. This was one of those impromptu moments for which President Kennedy is so well-known. So many times, you have heard that the Secret Service men suddenly find themselves without the President, that, suddenly, he has left them and stepped into the crowd and decided to shake hands and give his personal greetings."

He was a Marine. That is all you need to know.



 

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Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like if a government has the ability to assassinate a President and cover it up for 60 years, that same government can and likely would destroy any evidence of the cover up. If the US Government was involved, did people really expect the release of something that would prove that?
That's why we should also not expect the Epstein files to be released. Anyone who ever has them in his possession and had an interest in keeping them from getting released would have done everything they could to destroy them.
 

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He's dead, the people who killed him are probably dead or close to dead. The people who saw him die are probably dead or close to dead. The Secret Service men who were protecting him are probably dead are close to dead. The people who paid to have him killed are dead or close to dead. It's a dead issue to me. I am more interested in knowing what is in the vault at Fort Knox.
You were barely right since Clint Hill died in Feb. If you aren’t familiar, that rabbit hole will occupy your time for a while. FTR, he advocates against the conspiracy so he must be in on it.***
 
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Here's my takeaway (I know everyone here has been on pins and needles)...

There was never any question that there'd be nothing actually showing any government involvement in the assassination. So you gotta ask yourself, what were these obviously smart, obviously sneaky as 17 people not wanting the public to see???

They don't want us to know exactly how rotten the sausage they make is. The sordid details of the kind of **** our intelligence agencies did and continue to do on a daily basis will make you unlikely to ever trust much of anything they tell you if your paying any attention at all.

That is what they don't want laid bare. Could people like this kill a president or attempt to kill a presidential candidate, or do any 17'n thing they thought they could get away with to influence any election anywhere??? if it furthered their own agenda, careers??

Hell yes they could and have and will...

 
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