@cornerrat#1 will be glad they are looking at population density with regards to the 30 mile radius. He brought that up over a decade ago saying it gave Chicago area private schools an advantage over SHG (for example) after a drubbing at the hands of JCA. I did ask him to expand on this idea to no avail. Not sure why he doesnt want to discuss it.
All.... Your ever morphing narrative.... Oh I saw that post a few months ago on this board that seems to be now unavailable. In that one you had me confused with Birdwatcher and his sliding scale proposal.... Go figure. lol Cling away if it helps you sleep at night. Ratsy P.S. God bless our law enforcement heroes that hold the line everyday against rampant criminality.
All.... An attempt of more discriminatory policies being enacted quite possibly. Ratsy
Oh no, I've been asking you to expand on your population density issue ever since you brought it up after the tin man showed up at a playoff game in 2011 in Joliet. You've ducked and dodged it every time to the point where now you pretend you didn't bring it up at all
All.... I can't help you out if my replies are not to your liking and after all these years still crave my attention. You might want to work on that by the way having graciously awarding you with two responses. Have a pleasant day! RatsyOh no, I've been asking you to expand on your population density issue ever since you brought it up after the tin man showed up at a playoff game in 2011 in Joliet. You've ducked and dodged it every time to the point where now you pretend you didn't bring it up at all
Who mentioned like? Its just funny watching you hide from your own positions. Its entertaining making you dance like a puppet.
I wouldn't say it's private school's or anyone else's fault, but as the demographics started to change it's possible that those athletes that made this school a top 10 football school and top 5 baseball school decided to look elsewhere to keep playing competitively.
The reasons are not mutually exclusive. Demographics, coaching, private options, etc.
I agree - so what is the IHSA to do to solve this?
I think that's what this committee is tasked to do. There are 15 committee members with 5 of them being from private schools so they have representation.
1. Put a cap on out-of-district players
All of those may be good points, but would be pretty simple to remedy should their be a split between the schools. Everyone seems to overreact and predict an end of times doomsday scenario when change is proposed but many states have done it managed to continue to have statewide football championships that everyone still celebrates.
They aren't, and that's my point.
Honestly, I used to have jha618 blocked because he's a little too blindly Ra Ra about ESL (if I'm not confusing my posters). But, IF they had to do something or face a total Public / Private split, this proposal as a starting point would solve several problems that the Privates are never going to solve themselves.
How would they be thrown under the bus? They would either be with the publics and more competitive or with the privates and be the same non factors they are now in terms of competing for football championships.
Man if you are blocking people because they are "blindly ra ra" about their favorite team, you should have very few people on here that you aren't blocking.
LMAO. Okay I cleaned that up a little bit and posted it as "blindly Ra Ra", but there's no reason to start a small War when the biggest point I was making was I agreed with your idea, versus a total split.
CPS schools already have different rules when it comes to eligibility for the state playoffs under IHSA such as non-qualifying conferences, so I imagine they would be exempted if this were to come into existence.
1 - Private schools doors would all close down. I bet 50% or more families don’t live in the “district” for their private school.
Agreed, it would totally blow up in their face.
Free? How does separation in football all of a sudden make private schools free of tuition?
From what I know population density will truly not hold as much weight as the 30 mile radius to recruit itself! Large population center Private Schools can't be boundary so looking into "population" is moot! Everything else is smoke and mirrors! This will be discussed along with, Private Charter Schools (Warehouses) that spring up by the dozens... some say to circumvent the public boundary that inhibit non-private schools. Some have uttered the sentence: "Let all schools have the 30 mile radius" but what are we without rules but animals... right?! A Caravan buddy said that recruiting non-Catholics has cause problems within the fold. Success without core continuity has damaged some private schools. He and others like him, big contributors to big time Catholic schools, are the ones that will sway this debate. As I have mentioned before, most feel that a "Private" only playoff will be substantially more rewarding than the system we... enjoy... today! Now the ones down the classification ladder will still want successful schools, Rochester, Lena-Winslow and a few more, pushed up or out in the name of balance but this will fail. You can't punish success when its earned, within the rules... that the public schools play and operate under. Over the decades this debate has raged and the time is right to address it once and for all.
IHSA has restrictions on how scholarships are awarded. There are no true athletic scholarships.
We're told that if they didnt charge tuition the schools would close. Now all of a sudden school would be free
Selective Enrollment schools like Payton, Young, and Simeon are not remotely in the same class as the CPL schools not eligible for the playoffs. They already can pick and choose any athlete from the city by using the principal discretion exemption from actually testing in academically. In that respect they are no different than private schools. If the IHSA decides on making a change, they should be included as well. These aren't the teams that are playing at 3:30 Thursday or 9am on a Saturday anyway...Now that is CPL football baby!
We're told that if they didnt charge tuition the schools would close. Now all of a sudden school would be free
And im not sure "it could be worse, we'll be able to recruit ALL your players" is the argument you want to make when the discussion is whether or not the playing field is equitable.
Outside of a small private school in Waukegan, Carmel Catholic is the only private IHSA associate member HS in Lake County. There are CC families scattered about, so the 15mi. restriction would never make sense, IMO.
Im pretty sure most of us have a good idea how it works. But isnt this discussion the point, Private schools accumulating talent that isnt anywhere comparable to public schools (in the class theyre in)?
This is what I mean when I saw people completely overreact and immediately go doomsday when any change is brought up.
They were thrown under the bus years ago when the whining small and medium sized public school IHSA membership demanded that they be lumped in with the private schools to create a "non-boundaried" type of school within the IHSA. They did that without a shred of empirical evidence proving that school type can be directly tied to extraordinary athletic success.