Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

VirgilCain

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

As I stated in an earlier thread, he routinely put our best players in positions to make the plays to win the game.... obviously, we all saw them fail. WTF else can he do? What approach to the game would you rather him take?

I dont think there was a single MSU player who had a "good" game on offense.

Yes, the 3 passes and out possession after the onside kick was a coaching mistake. But keep in mind, the only reason we even had the 17ing ball was because Mullen completely caught AU with their proverbial pants down.

I really think this game is on the players for not performing. Bumphis had the worst game he will probably have his entire career, yet mullen still managed to get him in position to make some plays. I specifically remember Mullen calling a one-on-one screen play where Bumphis apparently never even glanced at the screen pass, resulting in just one of our myriad of dropped balls. Yet, the very next play he ran an abbreviated reverse to Bumphis for at least 8-10 yards. I remember remarking to the guy next to me "Well I guess if he can't catch it, we'll just have to hand him the ball!" I'm not trying to rip on Bumphis, because I think he's one of, if not the, best player on our squad... He just had a really bad game. **** happens.

As for getting away from our calling-card "did you get my memo" running game of yesteryear... from what I saw last nigh, our RBs can be tackled by a stiff wind.... just think if we had dedicated ourselves to the running game and Auburn keyed-in on that (like I have seen every opposing team do to us my entire life). I think the only reason they had any decent runs is because we were opening it up in the passing game up so much that Auburn had to respect that.

Our "great" O-line looked pretty meager for most of the game. Also, Relf took some horrific sacks where the ball should have been thrown into the upper deck 3-WR progressions earlier... I can't remember how many times i said "throw the damn ball!" last night.... which leads me to ask, has he ever thrown the ball away when a play goes awry from the get-go?

Our D-Line, which from all I've heard and read is comprised of 8 All-SEC players (yep, stretching the truth) was almost non-existent. In fact, some of the most backbreaking plays from AU's offense, IMO, came from our d-line FINALLY getting some pressure on Newton... but then completely over-running containment on a QB, that we should know (better than any other team in the country, btw) that you don't want to let him beat you with his legs.

Broomfield (i think thats who it was) missed that pick-six.... Judging by last year, I would have thought he couldn't do anything but pic-six's.... no way he doesn't house that 9 out of 10 times.

Finally, Mullen orchestrated a pretty solid 2-minute drill to end the game. He then called the play that would put Berry in prime position to become the HERO of the game.... and what did Berry do with the opportunity?....He caught the ball.... then slammed it to the ground incomplete.... How many times is he gonna do that?

If Mullen's coaching was so terrible, it wasn't on the offensive play calling. Sure, It wasnt the best play-calling EVA, but it was sure as hell good enough to win the game 9 times out of ten (did i already use that euphemism?). I cannot remember a game with so many missed opportunities from our play-makers.

The only terrible coaching platform I'll listen to about last night would be in reference to Mullen possibly not coaching fundamentals well/enough in the off-season... Which I highly doubt anyone will even propose.... But, it sure as hell was not the play calling from last night.

(deep breath) There, rant over. Now, let the picking apart of my opinion begin! Yes, I know that I use and inordinate amout of parentheticals, rabiit trails, and commas.

BAAAAA... I still have some tufts of wool hanging on.
 

VirgilCain

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

As I stated in an earlier thread, he routinely put our best players in positions to make the plays to win the game.... obviously, we all saw them fail. WTF else can he do? What approach to the game would you rather him take?

I dont think there was a single MSU player who had a "good" game on offense.

Yes, the 3 passes and out possession after the onside kick was a coaching mistake. But keep in mind, the only reason we even had the 17ing ball was because Mullen completely caught AU with their proverbial pants down.

I really think this game is on the players for not performing. Bumphis had the worst game he will probably have his entire career, yet mullen still managed to get him in position to make some plays. I specifically remember Mullen calling a one-on-one screen play where Bumphis apparently never even glanced at the screen pass, resulting in just one of our myriad of dropped balls. Yet, the very next play he ran an abbreviated reverse to Bumphis for at least 8-10 yards. I remember remarking to the guy next to me "Well I guess if he can't catch it, we'll just have to hand him the ball!" I'm not trying to rip on Bumphis, because I think he's one of, if not the, best player on our squad... He just had a really bad game. **** happens.

As for getting away from our calling-card "did you get my memo" running game of yesteryear... from what I saw last nigh, our RBs can be tackled by a stiff wind.... just think if we had dedicated ourselves to the running game and Auburn keyed-in on that (like I have seen every opposing team do to us my entire life). I think the only reason they had any decent runs is because we were opening it up in the passing game up so much that Auburn had to respect that.

Our "great" O-line looked pretty meager for most of the game. Also, Relf took some horrific sacks where the ball should have been thrown into the upper deck 3-WR progressions earlier... I can't remember how many times i said "throw the damn ball!" last night.... which leads me to ask, has he ever thrown the ball away when a play goes awry from the get-go?

Our D-Line, which from all I've heard and read is comprised of 8 All-SEC players (yep, stretching the truth) was almost non-existent. In fact, some of the most backbreaking plays from AU's offense, IMO, came from our d-line FINALLY getting some pressure on Newton... but then completely over-running containment on a QB, that we should know (better than any other team in the country, btw) that you don't want to let him beat you with his legs.

Broomfield (i think thats who it was) missed that pick-six.... Judging by last year, I would have thought he couldn't do anything but pic-six's.... no way he doesn't house that 9 out of 10 times.

Finally, Mullen orchestrated a pretty solid 2-minute drill to end the game. He then called the play that would put Berry in prime position to become the HERO of the game.... and what did Berry do with the opportunity?....He caught the ball.... then slammed it to the ground incomplete.... How many times is he gonna do that?

If Mullen's coaching was so terrible, it wasn't on the offensive play calling. Sure, It wasnt the best play-calling EVA, but it was sure as hell good enough to win the game 9 times out of ten (did i already use that euphemism?). I cannot remember a game with so many missed opportunities from our play-makers.

The only terrible coaching platform I'll listen to about last night would be in reference to Mullen possibly not coaching fundamentals well/enough in the off-season... Which I highly doubt anyone will even propose.... But, it sure as hell was not the play calling from last night.

(deep breath) There, rant over. Now, let the picking apart of my opinion begin! Yes, I know that I use and inordinate amout of parentheticals, rabiit trails, and commas.

BAAAAA... I still have some tufts of wool hanging on.
 

FlabLoser

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

...check his postgame comments. Because he volunteers to accept some blame.
 

Hanmudog

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

That is all. If Berry catches that pass.....If we intercept that ball.......If Green catches that ball and we did not throw a pick on the next play........If Relf gets us 10 more yards to field goal range..........Mullen put us in position to do all of that but we did not execute. Any time you lose everyone is going to second guess the coach. That is part of it but if any of those things happen then no one would be bitching about a three and out in the middle of the 3rd quarter.
 

TX Mud Dawg

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

The three straight pass attempts after we recovered the onside kick is where most people are upset. The scoring drive we had before that lasted almost 8 minutes where we ran the option and were successful. Maybe Mullen thought the defense would adaption but we seem to abandon the option by the three straight pass attempts followed by bring in Russell the next two series.
 

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

Somebody already posted the play progression of the 3rd quarter TD drive. It was done primarily through the air.</p>
 

AzzurriDawg4

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

1st and 10 at MSST 37 Chris Relf rush for 1 yard to the MisSt 38. 17 7
2nd and 9 at MSST 38 Chris Relf pass complete to Vick Ballard for 22 yards to the Aub 40 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at AUB 40 Chris Relf pass complete to Chad Bumphis for 8 yards to the Aub 32.
2nd and 2 at AUB 32 Chris Relf pass complete to Chris Smith for 4 yards to the Aub 28 for a 1ST down.

1st and 10 at AUB 28 Chris Relf rush for a loss of 2 yards to the Aub 30.
2nd and 12 at AUB 30 Chris Relf rush for 10 yards to the Aub 20.
3rd and 2 at AUB 20 Chris Relf pass complete to Patrick Hanrahan for 4 yards to the Aub 16 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at AUB 16 Chad Bumphis rush for 5 yards to the Aub 11.
2nd and 5 at AUB 11 Chris Relf pass complete to Chad Bumphis for 9 yards to the Aub 2 for a 1ST down.
1st and Goal at AUB 2 Timeout MISSISSIPPI ST, clock 9:42.
1st and Goal at AUB 2 Chris Relf pass incomplete.
2nd and Goal at AUB 2 Vick Ballard rush for 1 yard to the Aub 1.
3rd and Goal at AUB 1 Vick Ballard rush for 1 yard for a TOUCHDOWN. 17 13
Sean Brauchle extra point GOOD. 17 14
Sean Brauchle on-side kick recovered by MISSISSIPPI ST at the MisSt 43.

There were 3 straight passing plays on this drive too. The difference is just execution.
 

Coach34

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

we had 3 three and outs throwing it 3 straight times- but not 1 three and out when we ran it 3 straight plays

Anybody that doesnt agree we threw it too much last night is simply wrong. We dont have the QB's nor the WR's with experience enough to throw 35 passes a game
 

AzzurriDawg4

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

Can someone help me fill in the holes so we can get a clear idea of how it went?



2nd Quarter
1st and 10 at MSST 34 Tyler Russell pass complete to Robert Elliott for 3 yards to the MisSt 37. 7 7
2nd and 7 at MSST 37 Tyler Russell pass complete to Brandon Heavens for 6 yards to the MisSt 43.
3rd and 1 at MSST 43 Robert Elliott rush for 4 yards to the MisSt 47 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MSST 47 Vick Ballard rush for 2 yards to the MisSt 49.
2nd and 8 at MSST 49 Tyler Russell pass incomplete. I DON'T REMEMBER THIS ONE - ANYONE? Per Stateskills - This was the play that he stood strong, threw at the last second, took a big lick and the pass hit the WR/TE in the hands and was dropped.
3rd and 8 at MSST 49 Tyler Russell pass intercepted by Nick Fairley at the MisSt 49, returned for a loss of 1 yards to the 50 yard line. BAD PASS, BUMPHIS WAS COVERED EVEN IF FAIRLEY HADN'T PICKED IT OFF
DRIVE TOTALS: MISSSTATE drive: 9 plays 29 yards, 04:05 MISSSTATE INT




3rd quarter
1st and 10 at MSST 11 LaDarius Perkins rush for a loss of 1 yard to the MisSt 10. 17 14
2nd and 11 at MSST 10 Tyler Russell pass complete to Chad Bumphis for 10 yards to the MisSt 20. FAILS TO FIGHT FOR 1st DOWN
3rd and 1 at MSST 20 Tyler Russell pass incomplete. DROPPED PASS, RIGHT? Sideline route, can't remember the guilty WR - low ball but very catchable
4th and 1 at MSST 20 Heath Hutchins punt for 53 yards, returned by Quindarius Carr for 11 yards to the Aub 38.
DRIVE TOTALS: MISSSTATE drive: 3 plays 9 yards, 01:27 MISSSTATE PUNT




4th Quarter - someone help me with these
1st and 10 at MSST 11 Tyler Russell pass incomplete. ANYONE? Bad deep ball downfield to Clark maybe?
2nd and 10 at MSST 11 Tyler Russell pass complete to Brandon Heavens for no gain to the MisSt 11.
3rd and 10 at MSST 11 Tyler Russell pass incomplete. ANYONE? Was this the one where he got pressured?
4th and 10 at MSST 11 Heath Hutchins punt for 39 yards, punt out-of-bounds at the 50 yard line.
DRIVE TOTALS: MISSSTATE drive: 3 plays 0 yards, 01:03 MISSSTATE PUNT
 

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

So, I'm guessing you haven't gone to sleep yet....
 

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

It was one of the two in his last series.</p>
 

AzzurriDawg4

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

Not sure when it was though. His footwork was particularly bad on that throw. Maybe that was the 1st and 10 play in the 4th?
 

TX Mud Dawg

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

I was talking about after we recover the onside kick

1st and 10 at MSST 43 Chris Relf pass incomplete.
2nd and 10 at MSST 43 Chris Relf pass incomplete.
3rd and 10 at MSST 43 Chris Relf pass incomplete.

Next drive

1st and 10 at MSST 11 LaDarius Perkins rush for a loss of 1 yard to the MisSt 10.
2nd and 11 at MSST 10 Tyler Russell pass complete to Chad Bumphis for 10 yards
3rd and 1 at MSST 20 Tyler Russell pass incomplete.

Next drive

1st and 10 at MSST 11 Tyler Russell pass incomplete.
2nd and 10 at MSST 11 Tyler Russell pass complete to Brandon Heavens for no gain
3rd and 10 at MSST 11 Tyler Russell pass incomplete.

Next drive

1st and 10 at MSST 20 Vick Ballard rush for 2 yards to the MisSt 22.
2nd and 8 at MSST 22 Chad Bumphis rush for 16 yards to the MisSt 38 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MSST 38 Chris Relf rush for 5 yards to the MisSt 43.
2nd and 5 at MSST 43 Patrick Hanrahan rush for 2 yards to the MisSt 45.
3rd and 3 at MSST 45 Chris Relf pass complete to Brandon Henderson for no gain
 

stateskills

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

2nd Quarter

2nd and 8 at MSST 49 Tyler Russell pass incomplete. I DON'T REMEMBER THIS ONE - ANYONE?

This was the play that he stood strong, threw at the last second, took a big lick and the pass hit the WR/TE in the hands and was dropped.
 

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

where the TD drive was done primarily through the air.
 

TX Mud Dawg

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

the plays on that drive came came from passing the ball but we are not a passing team. We need to use Relf's ability to run and the option to help set up the pass. We got away from that and it hurt us.
 

Todd4State

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

because no, he did not put our players in a position to win, ie use their strengths. I'm mad because Relf threw the ball as much as he did, and that he did not run it enough. I'm mad because we put Tyler Russell in a situation when we had momentum, but were behind and were doing some things that were working. I'm mad because we insist on trying that stupid jump pass at least once a year.

We get an on-side kick, and we try to go deep the first play- that's cool- I see what we were doing there after a quick turnaround for the defense. BUT then Relf HAS to run it on second down, or someone does. We HAD to get positive yardage on second down at least and did not do it.

It seemed like everytime we threw short, it seemed like it was always to the outside. I might be wrong, but I didn't see any short crossing routes in the middle of the field, and I think we should mix in some of those.

The players not executing did compound our problems, but we also asked some guys to do some things that they couldn't do.
 

AceLeroy

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

Coach34 said:
we had 3 three and outs throwing it 3 straight times- but not 1 three and out when we ran it 3 straight plays

Anybody that doesnt agree we threw it too much last night is simply wrong. We dont have the QB's nor the WR's with experience enough to throw 35 passes a game
I'm with Coach34 on this one. We just drove the field on AUB and got the ball back after recovering the kick. Their defense was winded and got no rest due to Us recovering the kick. It was time to take advantage of them being on their heels and put even more heat and pressure on them by running straight at them. They ( Auburn defense )were at their weakest moment of the game and We let them off the hook by calling 3 straight passing plays. We indeed did throw too much last night.

The best chance ALL NIGHT LONG for Our running game to work was afetr that onsides kick and We gaveit away.
 

Stormrider81

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

We were already trailing at that point. What put us in that hole was horrible management of the QB situation in the first half. We were moving the ball offensively, tied at 7, when we suddenly put in Russell. He soon throws a pick, Auburn goes down and scores. Relf then fumbles a snap, Auburn kicks a FG. In just a few minutes time we fell behind 17-7. Putting in Russell changed the whole momentum of the game in the first half. It was totally unnecessary and killed our momentum. That is why a 2 QB system doesn't work unless you only swap QBs when the D is shutting you down. If we keep Relf in, we had a good chance of going down and taking the lead. We take the lead right there with the crowd and everything, and it's a different ball game.

We are going to have to picka QB and stick with him.
 

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

but there were a few defensive ones as well. One that comes to mind is why do you sell out blitz when we have them 3rd and goal at the 13. Why not drop back in coverage and keep the ball in front of you, force the field goal. Instead, Newton finds an easy receiver in man coverage for the td. That one play could have changed the game, of course there were many already pointed out here.
 

ThreePack

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

You are right on. Everybody I have read thinks the onside kick was a great call by the coach but if we don't recover they think it was a bad call. We hired an offensive minded guy to be our coach because we wanted some excitement in the games. Mullen is providing that.Folks here are saying we are a running team but that's because of our history. If we want to be a balanced team we need play calling like we have in these games so we can get some good recruits such as Singleton (receivers) and good quarterbacks. Bad execution caused us to lose the game plain and simple. We had bad execution by most on the team. If one or two guys had a bad night we still win.
 

wofat

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

Typical that he gets hammered by being logical. It was a bad game for us all the way around, however, Mullen's playcalls were not the reason we lost.

Who played Qb, and when they played,is not why we lost, we lost becausethe team did not execute.</p>
 

ThreePack

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

and this Board could use a few more voices of wisdom.
 

dawgstudent

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

Like some have already said, this was the first game where I truly questioned Mullen's play calls. The onside kick was an awesome call but the plays after were suspect. We mauled them going down the field on the first drive with a run heavy offense and then try to pass after that. I get going for the jugular but all 3 plays had me wondering.

Also, the end of the game had me questioning. Get in Relf's ear and tell him to use the middle of the field. The clock stops on a first down. I didn't understand why every pass we threw was towards the sideline. Still, Berry has to catch the ball.

And apparently, Relf is absolutely afraid to move in the pocket when it collapses. I always laughed how he just stood back there flat footed and would shoot out a rifle when he would throw it. Well when the protection sucks, it's not as funny because he will get sacked a lot playing like that.

And damn, do we miss Dixon. Relf is our only true running threat right now. Someone in the RB trio needs to step up out of Ballard, Elliot, and Perkins. I don't think we are going to be successful with us relying on Relf to run and throw.

I also don't get the Russell hate just yet. For the times he was thrown into the game, it seemed we were deep in our own territory. I still think Russell can provide some excellent relief for Relf.
 

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Im not a blind, scout.com, current-HC homer... but what the 17 did Mullen do so wrong?

I too think Russell can give Relf some good relief during the season. I'm not if favor of putting him in deep in our territory though.