I'm not sounding the alarm over Riley+Klubnik...yet

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The optics of the move are not great, considering Dabo went out and easily pulled in the biggest OC name in the game, while we hired a guy named Dowell. We come off looking like Golden Corral while Clemson looks like a 3 star Michelin rated restaurant. The move is justifiably getting a lot of hype, but I'm not pushing the panic button just yet.

For one, Klubnik isn't a generational QB talent like Watson or Lawrence. However good he may or may not be, and I do think he will be good, he's not THAT good. Watson and Lawrence were top 5 college QBs from the moment they set foot on campus and could have started at any program in the country. That's not Klubnik, at least at the moment. He looked scintillating against UNCs terrible defense in the ACCCG, leading to all the "if only he had played against USC!" talk. But then against UTs 30th ranked defense, he looked very pedestrian. Obviously, he's a true freshman, so he'll get better, but he doesn't give the sense of unavoidable doom that came with Watson and Lawrence. Yet.

As far as Riley, he appears to be a good OC, and he was at the top of my wish list, along with many other USC fans. But I have to wonder how much hype there would be around him if he wasn't Lincoln Riley's younger brother. He'd obviously still be regarded as a good OC, but a fair amount of hype is unquestionably linked to him becoming the next Lincoln. We shall see. As far as his offense, it's hard to tell from his days at SMU. They played a terrible schedule. The one good team they faced, Cincinnati, shut their offense down both times. He has one year of P5 OC experience, and his offense looked good, albeit in the Big 12, which isn't exactly known for defense. Of course, we know what happened to his offense against UGA. There are no adjectives in the English language to describe what UGA did to their offense. But it IS Georgia.

I'm not sticking my head in the sand over the hire, but I'm not 100% convinced it's the absolute slam dunk hire it would immediately appear to be. The jury is out on how good Klubnik will be, and the landscape of college football history is littered with the carcasses of "the next big thing in coaching" who never lived up to the hype. I'm 85% sure this will work out well for Clemson, but I think there's at least a chance it doesn't lead to spectacular results.

Of course, if we had hired Riley, I would have ignored all of the above and just said it was a slam dunk.
 
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G. Riley is great. I mentioned him a couple years ago when Satt was hired. Met him while he was at ASU. Good, solid dude....really good coordinator. I "think" Swinney is trying to get with the times since these two back-to-back generational QBs are gone. He'd better get into a system...and Riley is an Air Raid guy. It pairs perfectly with their TE coach/pass game coach Richardson who knows AR as good or better than Riley. I think you will see CU do very well....and I think it'll be as much to do with K. Richardson as G. Riley. I know for a fact that there has been talk they're trying to streamline and minimize verbiage (stuff Loggains talked about here). Both our offenses are about 10 years behind on that. Didn't bother CU as much with the run of talent they had, and in the conf. they were in.
I still hope to see us utilize the 1,2,3 word play verbiage that allows tempo to be used as a weapon some.
...and yes I do think his last name has helped propel him faster than if his last name was McJunkins....but those connections that last name brings are valuable.
 

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G. Riley is great. I mentioned him a couple years ago when Satt was hired. Met him while he was at ASU. Good, solid dude....really good coordinator. I "think" Swinney is trying to get with the times since these two back-to-back generational QBs are gone. He'd better get into a system...and Riley is an Air Raid guy. It pairs perfectly with their TE coach/pass game coach Richardson who knows AR as good or better than Riley. I think you will see CU do very well....and I think it'll be as much to do with K. Richardson as G. Riley. I know for a fact that there has been talk they're trying to streamline and minimize verbiage (stuff Loggains talked about here). Both our offenses are about 10 years behind on that. Didn't bother CU as much with the run of talent they had, and in the conf. they were in.
I still hope to see us utilize the 1,2,3 word play verbiage that allows tempo to be used as a weapon some.
...and yes I do think his last name has helped propel him faster than if his last name was McJunkins....but those connections that last name brings are valuable.
He was an "Air Raid" guy at SMU. But at TCU this season, they were balanced between the pass and the run.
 

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The optics of the move are not great, considering Dabo went out and easily pulled in the biggest OC name in the game, while we hired a guy named Dowell. We come off looking like Golden Corral while Clemson looks like a 3 star Michelin rated restaurant. The move is justifiably getting a lot of hype, but I'm not pushing the panic button just yet.

For one, Klubnik isn't a generational QB talent like Watson or Lawrence. However good he may or may not be, and I do think he will be good, he's not THAT good. Watson and Lawrence were top 5 college QBs from the moment they set foot on campus and could have started at any program in the country. That's not Klubnik, at least at the moment. He looked scintillating against UNCs terrible defense in the ACCCG, leading to all the "if only he had played against USC!" talk. But then against UTs 30th ranked defense, he looked very pedestrian. Obviously, he's a true freshman, so he'll get better, but he doesn't give the sense of unavoidable doom that came with Watson and Lawrence. Yet.

As far as Riley, he appears to be a good OC, and he was at the top of my wish list, along with many other USC fans. But I have to wonder how much hype there would be around him if he wasn't Lincoln Riley's younger brother. He'd obviously still be regarded as a good OC, but a fair amount of hype is unquestionably linked to him becoming the next Lincoln. We shall see. As far as his offense, it's hard to tell from his days at SMU. They played a terrible schedule. The one good team they faced, Cincinnati, shut their offense down both times. He has one year of P5 OC experience, and his offense looked good, albeit in the Big 12, which isn't exactly known for defense. Of course, we know what happened to his offense against UGA. There are no adjectives in the English language to describe what UGA did to their offense. But it IS Georgia.

I'm not sticking my head in the sand over the hire, but I'm not 100% convinced it's the absolute slam dunk hire it would immediately appear to be. The jury is out on how good Klubnik will be, and the landscape of college football history is littered with the carcasses of "the next big thing in coaching" who never lived up to the hype. I'm 85% sure this will work out well for Clemson, but I think there's at least a chance it doesn't lead to spectacular results.

Of course, if we had hired Riley, I would have ignored all of the above and just said it was a slam dunk.
They also have another 5 star quarterback coming in this year.
 

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Some live up to the name and some do not. There is much expectation, and when it doesn't happen quickly, the pressure of living up to past family success can be overwhelming.
 

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The optics of the move are not great, considering Dabo went out and easily pulled in the biggest OC name in the game, while we hired a guy named Dowell. We come off looking like Golden Corral while Clemson looks like a 3 star Michelin rated restaurant. The move is justifiably getting a lot of hype, but I'm not pushing the panic button just yet.

For one, Klubnik isn't a generational QB talent like Watson or Lawrence. However good he may or may not be, and I do think he will be good, he's not THAT good. Watson and Lawrence were top 5 college QBs from the moment they set foot on campus and could have started at any program in the country. That's not Klubnik, at least at the moment. He looked scintillating against UNCs terrible defense in the ACCCG, leading to all the "if only he had played against USC!" talk. But then against UTs 30th ranked defense, he looked very pedestrian. Obviously, he's a true freshman, so he'll get better, but he doesn't give the sense of unavoidable doom that came with Watson and Lawrence. Yet.

As far as Riley, he appears to be a good OC, and he was at the top of my wish list, along with many other USC fans. But I have to wonder how much hype there would be around him if he wasn't Lincoln Riley's younger brother. He'd obviously still be regarded as a good OC, but a fair amount of hype is unquestionably linked to him becoming the next Lincoln. We shall see. As far as his offense, it's hard to tell from his days at SMU. They played a terrible schedule. The one good team they faced, Cincinnati, shut their offense down both times. He has one year of P5 OC experience, and his offense looked good, albeit in the Big 12, which isn't exactly known for defense. Of course, we know what happened to his offense against UGA. There are no adjectives in the English language to describe what UGA did to their offense. But it IS Georgia.

I'm not sticking my head in the sand over the hire, but I'm not 100% convinced it's the absolute slam dunk hire it would immediately appear to be. The jury is out on how good Klubnik will be, and the landscape of college football history is littered with the carcasses of "the next big thing in coaching" who never lived up to the hype. I'm 85% sure this will work out well for Clemson, but I think there's at least a chance it doesn't lead to spectacular results.

Of course, if we had hired Riley, I would have ignored all of the above and just said it was a slam dunk.
The hype is from the name. His play calling and formations were what you see from many teams. He will be in the weak ACC like the weak Big 10. He will do fine.
 

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The optics of the move are not great, considering Dabo went out and easily pulled in the biggest OC name in the game, while we hired a guy named Dowell. We come off looking like Golden Corral while Clemson looks like a 3 star Michelin rated restaurant. The move is justifiably getting a lot of hype, but I'm not pushing the panic button just yet.

For one, Klubnik isn't a generational QB talent like Watson or Lawrence. However good he may or may not be, and I do think he will be good, he's not THAT good. Watson and Lawrence were top 5 college QBs from the moment they set foot on campus and could have started at any program in the country. That's not Klubnik, at least at the moment. He looked scintillating against UNCs terrible defense in the ACCCG, leading to all the "if only he had played against USC!" talk. But then against UTs 30th ranked defense, he looked very pedestrian. Obviously, he's a true freshman, so he'll get better, but he doesn't give the sense of unavoidable doom that came with Watson and Lawrence. Yet.
DJU was better than Klubnik in his freshman year.....and played quite a bit more. Klubnik doesn't worry me at all.
 

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The hire doesn't worry me at all. It's a great hire for clemson, no doubt about that.

BUT

Just hiring the big name doesn't always work out. Making a great hire on paper doesn't always work out either. Look at Miami last year...they hired the best assistant coach in the nation and ended up having a terrible season.
 

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He was an "Air Raid" guy at SMU. But at TCU this season, they were balanced between the pass and the run.
LOL- they dipped into more Power Raid (it's true). But...you just said aloud that a Sonny Dykes and Garrett Riley offensive team wasn't AR.
Besides Leach the last 10-12 years....AR is /was like SOS's offense. THey back-end a lot of runs and it ends up being 55/45 most years. Yes...with PR there is more commitment during regular 1st/2nd downs to run the ball.
 
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The optics of the move are not great, considering Dabo went out and easily pulled in the biggest OC name in the game, while we hired a guy named Dowell. We come off looking like Golden Corral while Clemson looks like a 3 star Michelin rated restaurant. The move is justifiably getting a lot of hype, but I'm not pushing the panic button just yet.

For one, Klubnik isn't a generational QB talent like Watson or Lawrence. However good he may or may not be, and I do think he will be good, he's not THAT good. Watson and Lawrence were top 5 college QBs from the moment they set foot on campus and could have started at any program in the country. That's not Klubnik, at least at the moment. He looked scintillating against UNCs terrible defense in the ACCCG, leading to all the "if only he had played against USC!" talk. But then against UTs 30th ranked defense, he looked very pedestrian. Obviously, he's a true freshman, so he'll get better, but he doesn't give the sense of unavoidable doom that came with Watson and Lawrence. Yet.

As far as Riley, he appears to be a good OC, and he was at the top of my wish list, along with many other USC fans. But I have to wonder how much hype there would be around him if he wasn't Lincoln Riley's younger brother. He'd obviously still be regarded as a good OC, but a fair amount of hype is unquestionably linked to him becoming the next Lincoln. We shall see. As far as his offense, it's hard to tell from his days at SMU. They played a terrible schedule. The one good team they faced, Cincinnati, shut their offense down both times. He has one year of P5 OC experience, and his offense looked good, albeit in the Big 12, which isn't exactly known for defense. Of course, we know what happened to his offense against UGA. There are no adjectives in the English language to describe what UGA did to their offense. But it IS Georgia.

I'm not sticking my head in the sand over the hire, but I'm not 100% convinced it's the absolute slam dunk hire it would immediately appear to be. The jury is out on how good Klubnik will be, and the landscape of college football history is littered with the carcasses of "the next big thing in coaching" who never lived up to the hype. I'm 85% sure this will work out well for Clemson, but I think there's at least a chance it doesn't lead to spectacular results.

Of course, if we had hired Riley, I would have ignored all of the above and just said it was a slam dunk.
So much for Beamer and his closeness to Lincoln Riley and Garrett. This move may or may not work out, but optically it makes us look pretty pathetic. There is no doubt we wanted Riley. There is no question that Dowell Loggains is going to have a lot to prove.
 

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So did DJU. You just never know.
Somewhat true. DJ isn’t nearly as mobile. That’s the important thing for winning. Also didn’t have the touch on his passing. But he was highly rated coming out of high school. This kid has all of that and is just getting started. I think he’ll be successful regardless of the OC.
 
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LOL- they dipped into more Power Raid (it's true). But...you just said aloud that a Sonny Dykes and Garrett Riley offensive team wasn't AR.
Besides Leach the last 10-12 years....AR is /was like SOS's offense. THey back-end a lot of runs and it ends up being 55/45 most years. Yes...with PR there is more commitment during regular 1st/2nd downs to run the ball.
My perception of "Air Raid" is pass first to set up the run, with very little balance. I am not saying that they did not pass a lot. I am saying that TCU was just as effective on the ground as they were in the air.
 

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LOL- they dipped into more Power Raid (it's true). But...you just said aloud that a Sonny Dykes and Garrett Riley offensive team wasn't AR.
Besides Leach the last 10-12 years....AR is /was like SOS's offense. THey back-end a lot of runs and it ends up being 55/45 most years. Yes...with PR there is more commitment during regular 1st/2nd downs to run the ball.
My perception of Air Raid is throwing the pass to set up the run, with little balance between the 2. I am not saying that TCU did not throw a lot. I am saying that they were equally effective both on the ground as well as the air.
 
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DJU was better than Klubnik in his freshman year.....and played quite a bit more. Klubnik doesn't worry me at all.
You have to remember that streeter was also the QB coach. Garrett riley replaces that as well. I also am not so sure that isn’t his best ability.

To me it’s streeter’s QB coaching that got him fired.
 
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QB While DJ had the arm talent, he was way to slow to run the offense....particularly when he ran the ball. klubnik should be an upgrade.
Perhaps.....but while he wasn't a true dual-threat, he was deceptively fast for his size and had pretty good pocket awareness. I'm not sure he was allowed to run that much as there was no proven QB behind him.
 
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So much for Beamer and his closeness to Lincoln Riley and Garrett. This move may or may not work out, but optically it makes us look pretty pathetic. There is no doubt we wanted Riley. There is no question that Dowell Loggains is going to have a lot to prove.
So, are you saying we offered Riley and he turned us down?
 

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So much for Beamer and his closeness to Lincoln Riley and Garrett. This move may or may not work out, but optically it makes us look pretty pathetic. There is no doubt we wanted Riley. There is no question that Dowell Loggains is going to have a lot to prove.
What is your source saying "there is no doubt we wanted Riley"?
Beamer says no and we got what we wanted which fit within our culture and offensive mind set.
I'm sure there were budgetary restrictions as well.
Splash hires don't always go as planned and are not a guarantee of success.
 
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No, but it looks like Beamer is, especially after his Twitter embarrassment! Good grief, wth was he thinking?? Juvenile and immature to say the least. NOT a good look for a head coach.,.
Get a life - our Head Coach defending our team and HIS hire from a tater trying to downgrade our program - if you call that juvenile then you may just be the one who supports the comments made by the tater - I for one am glad that we have a coach who will not sit back and let someone talk junk about our program!
 

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With an air raid type offense clemson fans will have to stomach their defense giving up tons of points. You watch these type of offenses and you'll see a lot of 48-42 type games. With what they're losing on defense this year next will be shocking for them on that side.
 

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The hire doesn't worry me at all. It's a great hire for clemson, no doubt about that.

BUT

Just hiring the big name doesn't always work out. Making a great hire on paper doesn't always work out either. Look at Miami last year...they hired the best assistant coach in the nation and ended up having a terrible season.
But Miami did have a Good Year. They won 9 Regular Season Games, Won Their Bowl Game and Hauled in the Best Rated Recruiting Class in the ACC #4 in the Country with 3 - 5 Stars
 
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I take Beamer at his word that he got who he wanted.

Maybe, among other things, he’s looking for stability. He knows Riley is probably a year or two solution. At this stage in his career and in the development of our program, he can’t really afford that. Saban can plug and play new assistants and has done so successfully for the most part. But Beamer needs to establish some stability and consistency first. And that’s a long way off. Clemson is in a better position to take someone like Riley and fill the slot when he leaves in a year or so.
 
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I take Beamer at his word that he got who he wanted.

Maybe, among other things, he’s looking for stability. He knows Riley is probably a year or two solution. At this stage in his career and in the development of our program, he can’t really afford that. Saban can plug and play new assistants and has done so successfully for the most part. But Beamer needs to establish some stability and consistency first. And that’s a long way off. Clemson is in a better position to take someone like Riley and fill the slot when he leaves in a year or so.
Yeah, I believe that Shane sees how well things turned out for his Dad Frank by having DC Bud Foster make his career as DC at VT. Now I am not saying he would stand in the way of assistants who have a chance to better themselves. But obvious short-timers like Riley would not be appealing to him.
 

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So much for Beamer and his closeness to Lincoln Riley and Garrett. This move may or may not work out, but optically it makes us look pretty pathetic. There is no doubt we wanted Riley. There is no question that Dowell Loggains is going to have a lot to prove.
Coach Beamer said he did not offer Riley, and that we got our man. Is he lying?
 

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So much for Beamer and his closeness to Lincoln Riley and Garrett. This move may or may not work out, but optically it makes us look pretty pathetic. There is no doubt we wanted Riley. There is no question that Dowell Loggains is going to have a lot to prove.
Coach Beamer said he did not offer Riley, and that we got our man. Is he lying
 
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Coach Beamer said he did not offer Riley, and that we got our man. Is he lying
If you believe that Dowell Loggains was #1 on the list, I don't know what more I can say. The tight ends coach who was run out of the NFL and once voted the worst offensive coordinator in the NFL was our first and only choice? Don't you hope Beamer is lying? If he isn't lying, then this program is exactly what it looks like, a pathetic weak sister in a conference it doesn't belong. If Loggains works out, great, but he is going to have exactly 0 patience from the fan base if we struggle. If we go scoreless against UNC, I doubt you'll be convinced he is the guy.
 
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