Impressed with A-Rod's honesty?
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Not really. Im still pretty pissed that it happened. I'm not impressed frankly because the other route to go would have been to go the Bonds/Clemens route and be paraded on national tv as a liar and a cheater. Not an impressive decision, but a smart decision if he wants to try and erase this chapter from his history, which I doubt happens.
the only reason he's sorry is because he got caught. Saying he was "young" when he was 26 and in the league for five years already is just more ******** heaped on top of the already massive pile of ******** floating around in MLB.
Frankly, I'm done with MLB until somebody with some sense comes along and cleans it up.
Frankly, I'm done with MLB until somebody with some sense comes along and cleans it up.
Lets go down the list of all the other players that are STILL lying
Here is a start:
1) Raffo
2) Bonds
3) Clemens
4) Dykstra
5) Mercker
6) Sheffield
7) Tejada
And supposedly 104 players participated in the Mitchell report in exchange for immunity, or some version of it.
I don't like A-Rod but at least he admitted it instead of continuing the ridiculous lying.
Here is a start:
1) Raffo
2) Bonds
3) Clemens
4) Dykstra
5) Mercker
6) Sheffield
7) Tejada
And supposedly 104 players participated in the Mitchell report in exchange for immunity, or some version of it.
I don't like A-Rod but at least he admitted it instead of continuing the ridiculous lying.
rehab an injury or something. Hell, the hitters were on it. The pitchers were on it. Everyone was on something. I'm sick of hearing about it.
To start with he lied to Katie Couric a year ago and is only sorry because he got caught..He was hardly straightforward on his answers... Acting like he had no idea what he was taking and bringing up it was something that might have been bought at a GNC...If someone sticks a needle in my *** i'm pretty damn sure I will know whats in it...And we are supposed to take his word that that was the only years he took PEDs?? He also danced around the question about where he got them and who got them for him etc...This guy just got backed into a corner and is doing his best to dance out of it.. As stupid as it sounds and as dumb as the guy is Jose Canseco may have half this stuff right...
It is sad that this is what is considered "honesty". I am not suggesting that anyone here has stated as such, but alot of people are saying this now. Honesty has now become, telling the truth eventually.
Now, I dont get all caught up in the steriod ****. Guys like A-Rod are doing what alot of guys have done, and these guys are under alot of pressure. Hell, alot of people were pissed at him for signing the contract that he did. Seriously, very few people would have done something different.
At the time it was not illegal and he lied in other interviews because of the shitstorm everyone else was in. At the end of the day what these guys are doing...taking steriods...is not as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be.
Oh, and to get political for a second...why the hell is our president taking time out to talk about it? Come on, give me a break with the that **** about what it does for the kids that look up to these guys. Turn on freaking MTV or VH1 for an hour and then talk to me about steriods and baseball.
Now, I dont get all caught up in the steriod ****. Guys like A-Rod are doing what alot of guys have done, and these guys are under alot of pressure. Hell, alot of people were pissed at him for signing the contract that he did. Seriously, very few people would have done something different.
At the time it was not illegal and he lied in other interviews because of the shitstorm everyone else was in. At the end of the day what these guys are doing...taking steriods...is not as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be.
Oh, and to get political for a second...why the hell is our president taking time out to talk about it? Come on, give me a break with the that **** about what it does for the kids that look up to these guys. Turn on freaking MTV or VH1 for an hour and then talk to me about steriods and baseball.
Pulling a Clemens or Bonds doesn't do you a whole lot of good with the public. By admitting to it, even though it was 6 years ago, he's at least giving the public the opportunity to forgive him as if it were a one time mistake, so they can move on. Besides, steroids wasn't a banned substance in MLB at the time, I don't believe, and that's why they did the tests, to see if they had a problem.
He may still be doing them, but at least by admitting it and making it seem like it was a mistake he made in his youth, he can give the perception that he's clean now.
He may still be doing them, but at least by admitting it and making it seem like it was a mistake he made in his youth, he can give the perception that he's clean now.
Anyone with a brain would have advised him to go this route - just look at the way others have handled it and the reaction they got. This was the only real option he had.
His honesty was forfeit in 2001 when he told the Rangers owner he didn't use steroids. Or when he flatly denied it recently.
His honesty was forfeit in 2001 when he told the Rangers owner he didn't use steroids. Or when he flatly denied it recently.
that he tested for is not available for prescription in the US. There're multiple legal issues with obtaining and using some of these substances, and particularly this one. There's also the issue of the "designer nature" of this drug.
At first, I thought it was good of him to come clean. Then I watched the interview and realized he's just trying to please people. He's just admitting enough to try and improve his image. Gammons suggests dates and all he can say is "that's pretty accurate". Then he tries to basically say that everybody's doing it and stops himself just short of saying the league is to blame for things being so "loose". He didn't really know what he was taking ... you don't become a world-class athlete without knowing what's going into your body.
A lie is a lie. A-Rod lied on the record about his usage, so this looks like nothing more than an instance of sorry-I-got-caught. If a player not named Canseco would come clean with everyone about usage, it would do wonders for the game at-large. It would also be nice if the MLBPA and Commisioner's office had the gumption to respond with more than "not my problem" every time something comes up. They're essentially playing C.Y.A. instead of doing their jobs.
The average fan knows that almost everybody was using in the past decade+. If all the parties involved would come clean and get all the juicy details out in the open, that would probably be ideal. But because so many of those details involve illegal activity, that will probably never happen. The best baseball (and fans) can hope for is that the media will eventually stop freaking out and finding a new angle of attack everytime some old information is leaked.
At first, I thought it was good of him to come clean. Then I watched the interview and realized he's just trying to please people. He's just admitting enough to try and improve his image. Gammons suggests dates and all he can say is "that's pretty accurate". Then he tries to basically say that everybody's doing it and stops himself just short of saying the league is to blame for things being so "loose". He didn't really know what he was taking ... you don't become a world-class athlete without knowing what's going into your body.
A lie is a lie. A-Rod lied on the record about his usage, so this looks like nothing more than an instance of sorry-I-got-caught. If a player not named Canseco would come clean with everyone about usage, it would do wonders for the game at-large. It would also be nice if the MLBPA and Commisioner's office had the gumption to respond with more than "not my problem" every time something comes up. They're essentially playing C.Y.A. instead of doing their jobs.
The average fan knows that almost everybody was using in the past decade+. If all the parties involved would come clean and get all the juicy details out in the open, that would probably be ideal. But because so many of those details involve illegal activity, that will probably never happen. The best baseball (and fans) can hope for is that the media will eventually stop freaking out and finding a new angle of attack everytime some old information is leaked.
I detest MLB because of the lack of regard for a steroid policy, that record on top of record was allowed to be broken by guys obviously doing it differently, because there is no salary cap and every year is basically let's see who the Yanks will sign and then let everybody else fall to about five other teams and then the others have to suck it up, and because Bud Selig gets paid $15 million a year to keep MLB running along like it does.
So, I like the NFL because there is parity, there is/has been a substance abuse policy (and no I'm not naive enough to believe that nobody is doing anything illegal) and I don't hear about the NFL every single damn day and their steroid problem.
So, how am I a hypocrite again?
So, I like the NFL because there is parity, there is/has been a substance abuse policy (and no I'm not naive enough to believe that nobody is doing anything illegal) and I don't hear about the NFL every single damn day and their steroid problem.
So, how am I a hypocrite again?
I assumed by "clean it up" you were just talking about players using steroids. The lack of salary cap has nothing to do with that. NFL players have been busted for steroids and made the Pro Bowl that very same year. So, if you're going to denounce baseball for not taking anough action on the steroids thing, you have to do the same with the NFL. It's pretty much accepted fact that the greatest dynasty in the history of the NFL was a team full of steroid users, yet no one seems to care.thunderclap said:
For the record, I really don't like baseball much at all. And I don't give a **** about the steroids in either sport.
Dude, no one gives a **** about the Yankees. They haven't won since 2000. Have you not noticed the trend that they sign all of these ridiculous players to large amounts of money and they still can't win the division. That era of baseball is over and it is coming to prove that baseball has transitioned from an era of home runs to small ball. I'm not saying there won't be home runs, but there will be less. Look at last year for example. Players started getting bigger... it was easier to hit home runs.... ball parks started becoming bigger.... I think this phase in baseball is over and you will now see younger teams emerging in which you did this year with the Phils and Rays.
Back to the Yanks though, I really don't see them succeeding for too much longer. They HAVE to get more younger players in soon or they will begin to decline in the next couple of seasons. Wang, Pettite, Rivera, Jeter, A-Rod, Moose (he retired), keep going... these players are getting on up there and there is no way that they can continue to compete especially in a division like the AL East which is as difficult as it gets in the AL if not MLB.
Back to the Yanks though, I really don't see them succeeding for too much longer. They HAVE to get more younger players in soon or they will begin to decline in the next couple of seasons. Wang, Pettite, Rivera, Jeter, A-Rod, Moose (he retired), keep going... these players are getting on up there and there is no way that they can continue to compete especially in a division like the AL East which is as difficult as it gets in the AL if not MLB.
Why should we be impressed about him being "honest" about this now when he's lied for so long. The only reason these athletes are honest and apologize is that they got caught. It's been 5-6 years and you havent heard a peep. When the new rules and banned substances list came out you didn't hear him running to a microphone to say "oh ****! I took some of that a while back and I'm sorry and just wanted you guys to know."
We applaud these people for "honesty" that only shows up because his name is listed in a court document.
He's a great player but don't build him up as a saint.
That being said, I think that any time a player tested positive for something that's banned now but wasn't banned then (a la Mark McGwire) it shouldnt make a bit of 17ing difference. It was legal at the time
We applaud these people for "honesty" that only shows up because his name is listed in a court document.
He's a great player but don't build him up as a saint.
That being said, I think that any time a player tested positive for something that's banned now but wasn't banned then (a la Mark McGwire) it shouldnt make a bit of 17ing difference. It was legal at the time
1. Players (pitchers and hitters) used steroids... before and after certain ones were "banned" by MLB
2. Players still take cortisone shots just before games
3. Asthmatic players still take daily and as-needed steroid treatments
Which of these 3 do not affect a player's performance ?
4. Ruth and Mantle were notorious for their rough living and heavy drinking during the season.
5. In the late 60's and a good part of the 70's , numerous players hit the field while on legal narcotics.
Rank these 5 "activities" in order, top to bottom, of how they will affect a player's performance on the field.
How many extra home runs would you chalk up to a player being juiced?
How many home runs weren't hit by Ruth and Mantle because they showed up at the park with a major hangover?
To me, a perfomance suppressor is equally as bad as a performance enhancer.
But MLB and the media are clueless and so self-righteous that they will continue to ignore everything but the players who are proven (or, at least accused) to have taken PED's . Those players won't be voted into the HOF by the self-righteous sports writers, commentators, etc. Even Bob Costas falls into this group.
2. Players still take cortisone shots just before games
3. Asthmatic players still take daily and as-needed steroid treatments
Which of these 3 do not affect a player's performance ?
4. Ruth and Mantle were notorious for their rough living and heavy drinking during the season.
5. In the late 60's and a good part of the 70's , numerous players hit the field while on legal narcotics.
Rank these 5 "activities" in order, top to bottom, of how they will affect a player's performance on the field.
How many extra home runs would you chalk up to a player being juiced?
How many home runs weren't hit by Ruth and Mantle because they showed up at the park with a major hangover?
To me, a perfomance suppressor is equally as bad as a performance enhancer.
But MLB and the media are clueless and so self-righteous that they will continue to ignore everything but the players who are proven (or, at least accused) to have taken PED's . Those players won't be voted into the HOF by the self-righteous sports writers, commentators, etc. Even Bob Costas falls into this group.
that during ARod's moment of truth last night, he was in fact still lying? I'm no detective or lead prosecutor, but the guy was spewing absolute ******** when he said that he didn't know what illegal drugs that he had actually taken.
So let me get this straight. He was able to pinpoint the exact 3-year time frame in which he took illegal drugs, but he has no idea what he was taking? Riiight.
I understand that these guys are protecting themselves more than anyone else, but I have a feeling that this thing is on the verge of absolutely blowing up. Yeah, we now know that a lot more players took steroids than once though, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the obvious massive cover-up that has gone on for the last twenty or so years. I think that we're about to hear about some pretty downright disturbing happenings from the last decade.
So let me get this straight. He was able to pinpoint the exact 3-year time frame in which he took illegal drugs, but he has no idea what he was taking? Riiight.
I understand that these guys are protecting themselves more than anyone else, but I have a feeling that this thing is on the verge of absolutely blowing up. Yeah, we now know that a lot more players took steroids than once though, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the obvious massive cover-up that has gone on for the last twenty or so years. I think that we're about to hear about some pretty downright disturbing happenings from the last decade.